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44 minutes ago, TBURGESS said:
The games against the +.500 teams revealed who our team is. The game against Montreal won't reveal anything.
It will tell whether the Bombers are the worst team in the league in terms of both personnel or management, or whether they are a mediocre "one and done" playoff contender.
Everyone seems to be OK with mediocre, content to just spin a mediocre reality into a contender fantasy.
It may not be the case, but I'm curious to see what people say if it turns out this is not mediocrity but really Mike Kelley/Joe Mack bad, but just in a different disguise.
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9 hours ago, J5V said:
Well, they most certainly could win next week, and they do match up much better against a team like Montreal compared to their recent competition.
This is again another game that is going to tell us who the Bombers really are this season.
Win this one and they are in the hunt for the crossover spot, not that I think it really matters in the long run.
Lose this one and this team will end up with the worst record in the CFL this year - book it!
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16 minutes ago, 17to85 said:
Yeah but we get this sorry assed Montreal team next week so who cares?
Bombers should not be favored to win this game next week.
They may end up doing so, but again, I wouldn't put money on it.
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4 hours ago, Spock said:
Isn't it human nature to release your emotions at sporting events? When the team is doing well, you're happy, you cheer, when the team does poorly what are you supposed to do? Detach your emotions from the team and not care?
Of course I just sit there observing no matter what is happening, but for you full-humans out there, cheering and jeering is a two-way street. Perhaps now as his performances have worsened, Nichols will learn this. For those of you who are against booing that's your prerogative, now don't try to take away someone else's freedom of expression.
Any chance you could convince Oshea to let you do a mind meld on Nichols to get his head right?
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1 minute ago, blue_gold_84 said:
Yeah, to say nothing about the NAT talent he's drafted and signed. I get the criticism of him sitting on his hands right now while the team is mired in fourth place on a four-game skid, but FFS... Try and be at least somewhat objective.
So stockpiling 10 nat receivers is a good thing when, at most, only 2 of them should be playing?
None of them are going to be Derrel Walker or Duke Williams good. Why waste those draft picks just for guys to be long term PR fodder?
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1 hour ago, pigseye said:
GM's provide coaches with the ammo they need and Walters has been supplying MOS with a lot of blanks lately.
34 minutes ago, JCon said:Bighill.
That's great and he has made an impact, but it is not enough on its own.
1 good player out of 5 is not going to get it done, particularly when the blanks are all in the same area (receiving corps)
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1 hour ago, Eternal optimist said:
Fair enough, my point still stands though, currently the bombers are in control of their own destiny - and do not need outside help. I agree though that things look dire, but it's just been alot of doom and gloom around here lately. Further to my earlier point of all hope not being lost =after 12 games, last years' Grey Cup champs (the Argos) were also 5-7. The Redblacks the year before (2016) were slightly better at 6-5-1, my point is simply that the Bombers are still very much in the playoff race, despite their current efforts to be down and out. In the CFL it isn't how you start, it's how you finish...just look at the 2011 BC Lions.
This is all very true, but this team needs do do something different to get there. All those teams you mention made changes in season to improve.
The concern many have is that this team seems to be very resistant to making any adjustments.
That is at the core of the pessimism.
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1 hour ago, Floyd said:
Durant handed us a gift-wrapped Adam Bighill... I'm eternally grateful.
If Durant was starting, we'd be totally finished, he was garbage the last two years... and Walters would be fired mid-season.
Agreed. Durant shows he had a crappy attitude, and I know for a fact that it would not translate into onfield performance any better than Nichols or Streveler, and would most likely be worse.
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1 hour ago, pigseye said:
Let's hope there is some good news during the bye week surrounding the team, a possible trade? I think everyone in the east save Hamilton would be in the market, maybe we can land an experienced international receiver. A receiving corps with Adams, Dressler & ___________ wouldn't be bad at all.
Could possibly trade for Adarius Bowman.
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32 minutes ago, wanna-b-fanboy said:
I can understand why- the Thread title and the name of the poll are complete opposite.
Shenanigans!
That got me too. The sense of the question and the title are opposite.
So the tally shown above should at least have 2 less votes to keep the regime next season and two more to get rid of it.
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15 minutes ago, 17to85 said:
I call bullshit on the no change, they have changed a lot of the roster over the past few years.
Some of you are creating this false narrative that O'Shea is stubborn and won't change when all the evidence points otherwise. He doesn't change quickly but he isn't as pig headed as many here seem to think.
Sure, they made changes.
But I'm talking about positive changes. You know, the kind that lead to improvements?
Salary dumps and not resigning key free agents do not count as positive changes - those things are just the easy way out for someone who is a weak GM.
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1 hour ago, 17to85 said:
This is Winnipeg, regime changes just mean further pain and suffering. I mean we all thought it would get better firing tired old Dave Ritchie and his outdated thinking, or mediocre Doug Berry and his average results, but surely going from Lapo to hot shot coordinator Tim Burke would fix everything!
So forgive me if I don't buy into this crap that it's going to get better firing a coach or GM. We've been doing that for years and it's not gotten us a Grey Cup. This regime is the closest thing to consistency we've had in almost 2 decades. I am willing to give Walters and O'Shea more time to fix this.
I hear what you are saying, and there is truth in it. I have followed this team for all of those years, and in hindsight, some of that house cleaning was ill-advised.
That said, there has to be constant, consistent, change on a club to get better. It is called continuous improvement and the reason why Bombers are where they are this year is because they sat back and did less positive moves than all their competition. And as the season goes on, all of their competition continue to make changes to improve, and Bombers sit back and do not even consider bringing anyone in in terms of players, coaches, or consultants to try and improve.
The organization has demonstrated that from top to bottom that they are highly resistant to any form of change, and that my friend, is a recipe for disaster in any organization these days.
This thread is about house cleaning. Why is that necessary? Because if no one in the org makes changes when they show long patterns of losing trends and/or lack of growth, then you cannot expect to get different results, and although it is a large risk, it becomes necessary to replace all the components that are resistant to changes necessary for improvement. Compared to the current competition in the league the present management and coaching personnel have demonstrated the following:
1) Their rebuild period (now 5 years and counting) is excessively long compared to every other team that has entered rebuild in the last 10 years. This creates a logistical problem because the rebuild duration threatens to exceed the longevity of core players, and with shorter contracts and more free agent movement, it is harder to keep a competitive core together for that time. (Say goodbye to key players like Goosen and Chung soon)
2) The drop off in performance this year is deeper than any drop off suffered by any other CFL team in the past 10 year period (going from 12-6 to a projected 5-13 in a single season)
3) All official communications coming from the org have indicated that no changes are planned in the short term or long term, despite their knowledge of the current performance trends
4) This year was portrayed by the team as a year to be making a GC run, and it turns out that they may very well miss the playoffs. This demonstrates that the management and coaching personnel do not have a good understanding of performance forecasting or evaluation of their personnel selections, and more importantly, that they consistently do not understand what it takes to make a team successful on the field in the current competitive CFL. Since this understanding is a prerequisite to making successful changes for improvement, going forward, why would you continue to support management and coaching that does not understand these key concepts?
5) Including this year, this team will have missed the playoffs more than any other CFL team in the past 5 year interval.
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26 minutes ago, Tracker said:
Do you not think that if, after five years, a head coach has to be spoon-fed on decisions, that means he is not fit to be a head coach? Friends of mine who have been season ticket holders for 20+ years have told me that they will not attend any more games this year after Saturday's debacle. They are knowledgeable and have all the Bomber regalia but they have had enough and will not renew unless there are major changes.
You have a good point.
At some point my argument "supporting" him is academic because he has used up what good will there was that existed.
You can't turn the clock back and its probably best that he does not continue here. Going elsewhere, with the head coach experience he now has, spoon feeding would probably be inappropriate now. That said, if he was taken under the wing of a stronger GM 5 years ago, things would have probably turned out different.
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5 minutes ago, pigseye said:
We should try and poach this scout, lol.
http://3downnation.com/2018/09/09/nichols-throws-away-banjo-bowl-nine-thoughts/
Petermann, Simonise, and Wolitarsky are all promising national possession receivers, but a team should really only have one or two of those type players starting.
Problem is that the rest of the receivers are garbage outside of Adams, who would be a good 3rd option receiver on any other team.
What Walters did to the receiving corps this offseason is a huge FAIL.
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1 minute ago, J5V said:
It's no secret that I've been a detractor of MOS since he ruined Willy. I won't miss him when he's gone. He had an incredible opportunity to build something really special here. He blew it. I just hope he takes Kyle Walters with him.
That is what I am hoping for.
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7 minutes ago, B-F-F-C said:
You may not but many hear think that O’Shea isn’t tough enough on his players.
He'd be fine in a different organization if Walters was a different type of GM.
Walters and Oshea are a bad combination because OShea is too much of a nice guy and Walters is far too passive.
If OShea had someone riding him and forcing him to make the tough decisions (kind of like good cop/bad cop) I think he'd be a better coach.
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1 hour ago, TBURGESS said:
You're saying that Peterman (127 Yards), Simonize (69 Yards) and Wolo (393 Yards, 26th in the league) are as good as imports? That's some pretty big BS right there.
Thank you.
You nailed it.
You can definitely argue that letting JFG go and then switching to an all-possession receiver NI receiving corps was a huge mistake.
None of the Cdn talent they brought in is any better than JFG, as evident by the stats.
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7 minutes ago, DR. CFL said:
I guess the “patience mantra” ship has finally sailed.....amen to that...it took long enough.....too long if you ask me. I am now curious as to how deep the knive will cut.....because sure as shooting the finger pointing and blame game is going to start. It still comes down to who hired who...that then hired who....down the line.
It's going to take quite a bit more losing before the BOD starts to find the political taste of the situation unpalatable. Then they will be forced to reluctantly make the change from Miller on down, which will certainly cost them $$$ that they would otherwise want to bank in the city coffers. I think that decision is probably 2 more years out. Until then, I don't see any significant changes being made at all - either with onfield personnel, coaches, management, or scouting. This org is all-in on mediocrity.
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Just now, White Out said:
Bad news for the Nichols haters: Streveler looked pretty bad too.
Let me just back off a little and say before I continue that Nichols had a terrible game and his 2 pick 6's were clearly the difference. But Streveler tossed a pick, looked deer in headlights, and had one good drive in half a game. He's not the answer. This is definitely a coaching and personnel problem. I don't know who should start against Montreal... but I have a really bad feeling that either option will not drive much in the way of results. Montreal appears to have found confidence and a spark, while our team is drowning.
I just don't think you can go back to Streveler against the Als after his total inability to move the offence in the 2nd half. He had 1 good drive and then had the same problems Nichols had: no one was open. The scheme was terrible. Nichols has to try and stop forcing things and I think he remains our best chance to win... but has to cool his jets. He's clearly fighting it hard and trying too hard.
If we lose against Montreal all bets are off for missing the playoffs.
There is a reason why Streveler performed similar to Nichols and that is because the problems with the O are far more than the quarterback. In fact, if you put Doug Flutie in his prime in there with no other changes the results would still be the same.
People want this to be a QB issue because in reality that is something that is more easily fixed rather than admitting that the talent level at every position from the OLine through to every position in the receiving corps must be seriously upgraded. Even for teams that continually improve and know what they are doing such as Edmonton, Calagary, Hamilton, and Ottawa, it would take 2 years to fully replace all the problem areas with personnel on this Winnipeg team - both on offence and defense. With Winnipeg, assuming that time stood still, it would take them between 5 and 10 more years to figure that out, assuming Miller and the BOD are prepared to stand pat for that long.
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6 minutes ago, TBURGESS said:
I think the bye week comes at exactly the right time for us.
We should get a couple of big name players like Dressler and Hardrick back. Guys with injuries who haven't been practicing like Harris will benefit too. IF we choose to start Streveler (Not likely IMO), we have time to make some tweaks to the plays to give him the best chance to succeed. We come back against one of the worst teams in the league which should help our confidence.
LOL
Unless they lose to Montreal, and I think they will.
Bombers had to be pumped sky high for those two games against Sask to even keep it close because the quality of personnel onfield right now is not very good at almost every position.
A letdown and a blowout loss is bound to happen soon, particularly when playing an opponent that they "think" they can beat.
A bye week is mostly meaningless on an organisation that is resistant to change and improvement, other than as you point out, it will allow some players to heal up.
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18 hours ago, JuranBoldenRules said:
Anonymous thoughts from CFL general managers and coaches
I wouldn’t want to be around Wade Miller if the Bombers lose on Saturday. He’s a guy who loves the Bombers, wants to win a championship and when he isn’t happy everyone (bleeping) knows it. Heads are going to roll over there if things don’t change fast. Wade’s not going to put up with bull(bleep) excuses …
Nothing will happen. Unlike the other CFL teams there is no sense of urgency to win in Winnipeg. Team will go 5 and 13 this year, will make minor player changes and lose a number of high profile free agents this off-season. Next year should be something like a 2 and 16 campaign. After that, the BOD will can Miller and the rest of the staff and then bring in another Jeff Reinhold type to run it all who is one of the buddies of a BOD member.
Sound familiar? If you know anything about this team, it should.
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11 minutes ago, outofprovincefan said:
Last in the West - Guaranteed!
QFT!!!!!
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1 minute ago, wbbfan said:
1 Alexander
2 woli/Petermann
3 Sayles with a bunch of good tackles and two big pass break ups.
Hh Bryant for tracking down collars from behind down to the other side hash marks for a big tackle.
Really only one star (shared) in this one:
Wolitarsky and Petermann both had good games as possession receivers.
The others can just go away:
Not "sold" on Sayles - gives up two big plays for every good one he makes.
Alexander is a serviceable DB, but just looks like a star in a secondary that is otherwise garbage.
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He is good enough to consistently beat the Bombers, but you are correct, he is not very good by normal league standards