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Agree, that’s what I’d do. It’s always a gamble when you bet on a sophomore starting season with the qb. But he’s a guy I’d take the lumps with. I don’t think his down side can be much lower than cfs down side. I don’t dislike cf, I followed him more than most (and still enjoyed the doink endings) but I just don’t think he’s a qb1 you build around.

Probably a great year to need a seasoned qb2

Good points. Maybe edm offers a 2nd this year and a first next year, or maybe some one offers Extra picks contingent starts. Alexander is the better guy to get imo, but he’s a bit more of a project and less known. Hes this years Dru brown.

If he tells teams he won’t report he can take back a good bit. UFL does not have an agreement with the cfl, he could go there. It’ll be interesting to see who would give up the most value for vaj. I think Edmonton would end up leaving the cupboard too bare. If he does go to the elk, will mbt end up back in Toronto? I feel like this off season is going to include a lot of movement at qb that won’t really amount to much.

Dooooo iiiittttttt!!!!!!!!

He wasn’t in and out for injury in 02/03, the went from a 2qb system to Maas the back up. He played 18 games a year for his first 7 seasons. He was open about being happy to back up ray in 02 when he lost the spot, 03, and 05. Then he went back to back up ray in 08, 09, and 10. 108 games played with Ricky ray, 7 starts. He was very open about being content to be qb2.

100%. If you find any player like that, he’s the first guy to get rid of imo. No matter the rest of the details. That was the biggest thing I didn’t like about maas as a player. His contentment to sit behind ray and be qb2 for life was pathetic.

Willy’s a fa though. 500k is still a pretty good deal. Wonder how that hard money breaks down. Might well include a roster bonus. If it does I bet they trade him before it kicks in. How much did that concert cost too. Could well have been a loss leader

League average isn’t a measuring stick unless you missed the play offs though. You’re also glossing over the fact that the punting/kicking positions have seen the biggest increase in terms of talent of any position in football over that time. Our net average on the cfl site has us middle of the pack at 36.1 You certainly aren’t going to frequently punt your way out of trouble. A lot more teams are using 2 guys who can get back and split the field. The biggest concern I have with the punter is his frequency to punt us into trouble. Maybe not his best year but I don’t think he was a big problem. I do think he’s gonna retire though, and Laroux likely takes over. Sheehan had some brutally slow releases this year sporadically. Like two steps worth of time extra. Leroux? Laroux? Good ass snapper either way.

Castillo did all 3 very well previously. Thing is, the more you punt the less you kick off and kick fgs. The more fgs you kick the less you kick off and punt. Shouldn’t be a problem imo unless you’re some really mediocre team that punts or kicks fgs all the time and have a punter with cardio problems. Thing is, just because you kick it 65 doesn’t mean the return team will get all that in extra yards. It’s an opportunity for both sides. Punting as we do is also a risk. One missed tackle and suddenly that 40 yard net turns into 15-20. Missing one tackle on a long punt isn’t as punishing. If you don’t have guys who can win the race down field at a depth of 50-60, you likely aren’t winning at 40 yards either. I think we have the horses to get down field and get more field position. I also think if we got a better punter we could kick the same depth, but with more hang time and still increase our net punting. Our lead in net punting yards is a testament to the goats ability to craft a system around the pieces we have that works optimally for us. We don’t know if he could do better with a bigger leg. I do believe he could though. Correct me if I’m wrong but I believe a couple of those were with the chipped balls yeah? I think Castillo will have a better % next year. I trust that leg.

His 2024 numbers https://3downnation.com/2024/05/07/the-cfls-15-highest-paid-quarterbacks-for-the-2024-season/ 6) Vernon Adams Jr., B.C. Lions (A) Hard money: $403,800 Maximum value: $403,800 The 31-year-old set all-new career-highs this past season and cashed in with a three-year contract extension that included a $200,000 signing bonus. Adams Jr. can earn a $155,000 base salary, a $15,000 training bonus, $13,800 in housing, a $10,000 travel bonus, and $10,000 in non-football-related services to the team. honestly, 400k is a good deal and not having to worry about bonus bloat in the back end is nice. His numbers this year might be a bit different but I imagine not significantly off. I imagine 450k ish likely.

I get that, but I don’t think they acted poorly. Every team knew vaj was available. I think what they did, by being direct and early is for the players in free agency. You aren’t coming to a team with a qb controversy. They are going to gain assets dealing him away. They aren’t going to get less because of announcing their move. But they are showing that the new management is decisive and in control. Qbing in the league is awful right now. You got Alexander as a development guy, maybe mbt as a guy you could win with but who probably can’t carry you to win and vaj. You got edm, cal, maybe ssk, maybe ham, and long shot at tor in the market. With wpg as a sleeper team that might want to move on, or even mtl who might be able to do more moving on from Fajardo. Even with just 3 teams, you got 3 guys. And you aren’t likely to see a Nash equilibrium (since you mentioned game theory) with the 3 teams. I think vaj will drive the market even if one of the other two set the market first.

Yes I’d tell you which one but the mafia would get me 🤪

I honestly don’t know what to expect from us in free agency. I also think buck leaving would create opportunity to see more moves like this as the new oc will have some input. Yeah that’d be ideal. But maybe we can bring in a Canadian to train up under Sergio. I really wish we’d have him punt, he’s a better punter than the aussy.

Yup. Also insulates us moving on from JA for mci. So it doesn’t even end up being that expensive.

I agree to an extent. He shouldn’t be held to the fire in the court of public opinion. The average fan is pretty clueless. I think he should be held accountable. That should come from media, and maybe some of the q n a stuff with season ticket holders at the diner before the year starts. I mean I can’t handle how dumb many of the questions and comments are at the coaches show. I haven’t been able to stomach it for a while. But for the last two years I don’t even listen to the caller free bit because it’s less than fluff.

Very well could be. In this case, I wouldn’t mind paying him 125k or a bit more if we actually use him as a change of pace back, rotational wr/package guy, obviously depth at rb and wr and of course kr.

I don’t think he’s a legend, but he’s on his way. He’s a damned good coach. Top tier currently for sure.

Shouldn’t be. But with mos every thing public is like water off a ducks back any way. If his seat gets nuclear hot at some point he will probably only be mildly annoyed about having to talk about it and him self. I wonder if Walter’s and wade would even approach him like that. I could see them kinda dealing with it internally between them. I can’t imagine them going to him and asking why he put zach back in and kept him in or questioning offensive prep and game plan. While they do have a hierarchy, I feel like in reality they work in conjunction with each other to the point the lines are blurred. Pure speculation on my part keep in mind, but it looks like that to me. I don’t think there is any chance he faces heat this off season either. I think buck is gonna get it all. He isn’t removed from being criticized, but I do think he’s immune to it. I don’t think he gives two shakes what any of the fans or media think about him. oof sure looks like it. Just when you thought they were gonna turn it around. Imagine if they go on another long home /losing streak again to start next year.

That’s opposite of every thing that’s come out from then till now with respect to him wanting to move on. And again, we saved maybe 15% of a rookie base contract in moving on from grant. That money had zero impact on the cap hit from any of the big guys we resigned. Augustine made a good chunk more than grant last year. Feltmate at worst made almost what grant did. they hard balled grant twice before in free agency. Which they haven’t really done with any one else. I suspect he just wasn’t a mafia guy. His disappearing act in the off season and unlicensed agent may have put Walters off. The selection process to join the old boys club with mos is an odd one. I don’t think any one else will ever understand it, unless you come with service history.

Probably, but the mafia seem to have no issues ignoring the out side complaints. I think you still bring in a big crop of kids to push and compete with grant. I mean he didn’t make much more than vet min. The rookie min is 70k, iirc the vet min is 85k. And the average starter salary is well over 100. So we might’ve saved 15k for half the year then between 5k and none on lucky the other half. It’s understandable to go young and for a healthy guy, but financially that’s a bad gamble. At that point I think we should’ve gone after atleast a decent league vet. A guy like leake would be good this year. 26, good size, very good returner, very good rb and pass catcher. He could do a lot of the sweep stuff we used to do with Demski.

That’s how all coaching careers end sadly

He certainly is not on the hot seat. The seat could warm up with a rough start next year but he’s gonna get lots of leash. Bucks seat is pretty hot imo.

You’re right in that it was an understandable decision in terms of health. I think at 90k though, it would’ve been a fine gamble to take. The real problem is we dumped some young guys, ran through some guys who couldn’t do the job then settled on lucky who was all the down side of grant with none of the upside for probably the same money.

Really? Ew. We all knew that. I wonder if they wouldn’t be better off trading rourke though