New_Earth_Mud

You jus trade for the sake of trading then? Pretty sure this aint a video game

Sry i miss read the posts i guess.

You dont trade your best players. The young guys are showing that they are not quite ready yet. We arnt winning games. They need these guys to learn from. Its really stupid to start trading for picks and prospects when the ones we have havent even learned to play in the NHL yet. Do you not see Maurice changing his lines during games n putting the vets back on the ice together? There is a reason he does it and it has nothing to do with skill. Hate to tell you this but we arnt sellers and we arnt buyers and we wont tank. That will not be the message sent to the players. Big name players that will be moved? Ladd...Pav... maybe throw in a Postma. But we wont be moving players to just move players. Draft and develop. You want Trouba gone and hes like 21. Hes been around all of 3 seasons and is a kid and you say thats it hes as good as he will get. Thats just krazy and not a way to build a team. All that said.... Chevy is building a team the hard way without a doubt. You need to balance the vets with the kids and then you need to sign the kids to contracts that are friendly to the next ones that come up. Its the hard way of doing things but its also the way to build a soild team not just now but for the future. Drafting players 8th or whatever is not a bad thing like many think. Fill your system with them while building our base is a pretty good idea. Ill take this way of building before how Minny is doing any day. They did what you are saying we should do.

For? And we become better how?

Bunch of young kids with talent that arnt all ready for this yet. Not many players with talent can just jump into this gig. You seem to expect them all to. Its not just on ice things they need to deal with its everything off ice also. With the skill and talent we have in our system i see no value in rushing it. We have or had maybe 1 or 2 guys from our bottom 6 the same to the team this year. We are not doing any better. Even tho they are more skilled. It sucks at times to watch but players like, Schief, Trouba, Ehlers, Copp, Myers, Lowry and BC... its good they go thru this. They can follow Wheeler, Buff, Enstrom, Stuart, Thorburn. They learn the NHL from them... Then their skills take over.

I think they should exist for sure. If a player is willing to sign a long term deal with a team he should have a bit of say where he goes if moved. Now if the player asks to be moved during the contract then his list goes away. He goes to whatever team his team gets the best return.

Hes got like zero say in any trade talks. He gives a list of teams. If non of the teams are willing to make a trade n pay him his 10milper then he should rethink what hes asking. He seems to think he can win it all with Tampa. If he thinks that and wants to try then i think its all good. Both sides are taking a risk doing this. His trade value to Tampa will more less remain the same but his asking price to sign with a new team might become less if he cant get Tampa a cup.

Thats fine... And my point still is how long did it take them to get to the position? All took 6 - 8 seasons. Asking and comparing us to them is not a sound argument IMO. They went thou the same things we are now.

Few things ill point out that you are completely missing.... Comparing us to the teams you mentioned dont really work and here is why.... Chicago, LA and Boston ( dont know why you added Boston but ok ) Ill even add in Pitts. The reason these teams can add n subtract like they do is because they all have a solid base of players to work around. We dont have that yet. We are working to get that solid base of players. We havent yet even started signing the guys we want as our base. Your already blowing off guys like Trouba... Hes what? 21? 22? Thats kinda early yet to be blowing him off. Everyones comparing him to Haminioc... How old is he? 25? 26? and just coming into his own now. Now back to the teams.... How long did it take lets say the Hawks, LA and ill use Pitts as an example. From the time they completely sucked to being a solid contender year in and year out. All took between 6 - 8 years of building. Non of them just woke up and became good. I might be wrong but i think Pitts took the shortest time and that was around 6 years. Anyway thats jus my 2 cents.

Moose Easy

You want to force him into the NHL for some reason. It seems you want him to just produce or trade him for another prospect. Seems to me thats what your deal is. Trade them all We should develop our players before we give up. Seems stupid to just go about trading away guys for others we have no clue about.

Develop players correct and they understand the first contract they sign aint their last. The long term will come. If we trade away or give up on players before they are ready we will end up like ****. We drafted these guys. Develop them correctly. Trouba should get 5 years at 20-25 mil. Then hes 26-27 years old and can as for more.

Trump

If we keep adding to many young guys to our roster at once we wont get better. As good as they are they need time. Not only do they need time but so do guys on the big team now. Guys like Ehlers, Armia, Copp.. Id even add in Trouba, Myers... Still really young players and are still learning the NHL. We need to give these guys a bit of time to find their game and role at the NHL level before we start adding more rookies. As much as id luv to see our young guys up here doing well id like to see them develop and learn from our more experienced players.

You seem to keep talking all these trades just to make trades it seems. I highly doubt Chevy just starts doing that. Think hes just gonna trade Myers or Trouba to just get another young guy with potential? That aint going to happen and it really makes no sense at all. Unless these guys are trouble on or off the ice hes not moving them. I suspect Ladd n Pav get moved and maybe a prospect and or picks are involved but we wont become as they say sellers before the deadline. We dont need to be. RHD, LHD... it dont really matter to much now a days... lots of guys can flip n play both without to much issue.

Why? So if Ladd signs we trade everyone? Really? Why would we do that?

Thats my point. Ladd can move on and not wear a C or stay here and not wear a C. Either way Ladd will not wear a C next season. Maurice and Wheeler have the same idea of how the team should go. It will be how the team goes.

I think he goes to LA with Pav. An issue with Ladd being here is he wont wear the C after this season. The C will go to Wheels.

Pav and Ladd as a package. Could be to LA. I think Pav starts against the Oil then something will happen. By the end of this week we wont have Pav or Ladd. Just a guess... lol

RHD and LHD dont really matter to much if you put out a stay at home guy with a puck mover. Back when Scotty was coaching the red wings there was a year they had all LHD and one RHD... I remember him being asked about it and that was his answer. It also happened to the wings again when Babcock was coaching and he pretty much said the same thing but you need to have the right combo of puck movers and stay at home guys.

Ya i agree.

His pay becomes less as years go by. We pay him less as we need to pay others more. Its not hard to figure out.

Ive said over and over... being a soft player doesent make you a bad player. Ive never said i dont like soft players. I also never said anything about Myers being a hardnose hard hitting player. What i said was hes a big young kid that plays his position well he can skate and move the puck hes got size and uses it well and has a great contract. His contract actually allows us to put towards others as we need. Hes not hurt alot and can play big min. Hes not in anyway a liability to us at all. Hes pretty much what every team wants. It would IMO be a horrible move to trade him for RNH.

Played and watched enough hockey in my time to form my own opinions on players. Nobody clouds my vision. Lots of players now and before id call soft players.... it doesnt mean they are not good. Its not slaming them its what they are. Im not and havent been parroting stupid crap as you call it... You said i should watch him play and i simply showed you an artical where its said that he is a softer player. I have no clue what point you were trying to make. Anyway we will have to agree to disagree. My opinion remains the same.... Trading Myers for RNH would be a bad move.

Holy.... Dont get so upset. Relax. RNH is not in the same world as Kane, Crosby or Datsyuk. I never slammed him once. I gave my opinion on him from watching him play the last few year and that opinion is hes a softer player and wouldnt fit on The Jets. Ive heard many many times that hes a soft player and it seems you have to. I guess all these people are wrong. Lots of high skilled guys on the Oilers no doubt but the problem seems like to many of them are the softer type players. Not enough bangers and toughness.