Wanna-B-Fanboy

I love his referral to "rube nation"... its funny, pretty accurate- but unfortunately, doesn't help the discourse.... still ******* funny though. good thread- thanks for sharing.

Yeah- it's good to see. But it is still weird to see anyone critical about trump on fox.

Impeachment... So... what do they do? Does congress use what is in the Mueller report to start impeachment proceedings (cuz there is MORE than enough for that) and do what is the right thing and "cleansing the office... and restoring honor and integrity to the office.”. Kind of like do you constitutional duty and protect the office. or... Hold off Impeachment proceeding because it is politically disadvantageous to do so. Democrat controlled congress starts and passes impeachment articles... republican controlled senate and cocaine mitch quash it because they are ******* cowards and it's party over country with those folks... and trump claims complete vindication and boosts his chances for re-election... holding off impeachment proceedings and let that hing over the rest of his presidency and boost the chances of a democratic win for POTUS and thus removing him from office that way- literally by the people. interesting scenario for the Democrats... kind of damned if they don't (not doing their job in congress) damned if they do ("exoneration" by the cowards in the senate). At least one 2020 candidate weighed in and took a stance: "There are times when it's beyond politics, when it is a point of principle to stand up and say, no president can do this. Because it matters." she's not wrong.

Wait what... is this fox?

interesting interview with the guy who wrote the rules governing the Special Council and his take on the Mueller Report using his SC rules.

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What is crazy about this is the fact that **** could totally go down... I mean the McCarthy era was insane... this sounds like the direction it's going...

What is crazy about this is the fact that **** could totally go down... I mean the McCarthy era was insane... this sounds like the direction it's going...

I don't think there is a smocking gun in those redact portions, interesting read- would make things more clearer- but no smocking gun. I am more interested in the counter- intelligence investigations and Mueller's testimony., those are going to be very interesting.

Interesting take on things regarding Mueller report... https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/19/opinions/mueller-report-obama-jennings/index.html very critical of Obama, but it peddles the mueller report to cover obama's butt... I don't buy it- that was mostly Rosenstien. I however agree that during Obama's presidency, he did very little (other than sanctions after the fact) to dissuade the russians in the electtion meddling and annexation of crimea.... Though the author doesn't mention Cocaine mitch's obscuring Obama's warning though... (of all the politicians... he is the absolute worse). Interseting take from Biden: https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/23/mitch-mcconnell-russia-obama-joe-biden-359531 d

And that is the issue here... He saw a ton collusion with, what are basically extensions of the GRU and RUssian intelligence), but since they are not technically Russian Government, it doesn't count towards the scope of the Mueller probe. I think however... these instances were referred to the counter-intelligence investigations that are going on.

Well.. impeachment has and will always be dictated by the court of public opinion... so there is that. You can't indict a sitting president according to the DOJ so- indictment is off the table. the way to indict a president is to Impeach to remove from office, and then indict... I believe that is the proper mechanism for that. First impulse is to say that system is broken... then upon second thought, you look at what transpired and say... yeah the checks and balances worked... but then in a more in depth look at what happened to trigger all this.... it could really all be chance... If Rosenstein didn't have a sense of self-preservation after being thrown under the bus for signing off and being the "patsy" for firing Comey... we wouldn't have the Mueller investigation.

I blame that on the spin Barr did. It was totally transparent and in his wheelhouse (he's done this sort of thing twice in the past re:1989 Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel and again in the iran contra scandal.). Its funny to see people so surprised by his actions... Upon Barr's appointment I thought of this: "A scorpion asks a frog to carry him over a river. The frog is afraid of being stung, but the scorpion argues that if it did so, both would sink and the scorpion would drown. The frog then agrees, but midway across the river the scorpion does indeed sting the frog, dooming them both. When asked why, the scorpion points out that this is its nature." --Fable of the Scorpion and the Frog

Kinda funny:

What I am really curious about, is the counter intelligence investigations going on... apparently there are 2+ ongoing CI investigations going on. What was really fascinating about the scope of the Mueller report was that he was supposed to investigate collusion with the Russian Government... but it was the oligarchs with STRONG ties to Putin and the GRU that made contact with the trump team... so when Mueller says (because it is accurate/yet misleading) that no one on trump transition team colluded with the Russian government, its correct... yet misleading. at what point does Russian Government = Russian Oligarchs with STRONG ties to Putin and do his bidding.

I do though- otherwise there would be no discussion. This thread would be nothing but trump bashing and no substance. Also, it makes me question my opinions and double check my facts. So yeah- I do sincerely appreciate your opinions. thanks Zontar.

all of this has been disproved many times over- these are literally Mark Medows and Jim Jordan's talking points, I just saw an interview with them moments ago... there are no facts to back up this conspiracy theory. Anyways, thanks for sharing your opinion- I appreciate it.

so... nothing to do with the Mueller probe and the mountain of obstruction of justice evidence. Once again, I respect you offering us your opinion on these matters but I whole heartily disagree. It's cool- you want to push your narrative, that's fine- but you can't conflate the Mueller probe and the facts with... that theory.

That is the exact narrative fox news is pushing! it's quite frightening that a "news" organization would push these CRAZY conspiracy theories just to protect a sitting criminal...

What does this have to do with the criminal obstruction found in the Mueller probe?

All of it apparently.

Ok, so then your opinion then. I respect your right to say that- I disagree.

You can't charge a sitting president. You can only impeach. So yeah most people that understand the law would be ok with that regardless of their true colours.

is this fact or are you just stating your opinion here? I can't tell. Please clarify.