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Neufeld was ass to start last season because he was hurt all camp. And how can Eli earn a spot when he never gets a chance there? See you're still clinging to this false idea that you have that guys are starting because they are the best option and no one has pushed past them. That's demonstatively flase with this team...

cant use that tho as a metric...Teams put time and money into their own recruiting and scouting....and won't dump their guys for others...thats how you also lose your scouting staff (Cyril Penn says hi) I can see the thinking of that....but really it's a never will know...and for a lot of positions in the CFL players are pretty comparable across the board talent and skill wise....it's coaching and instruction that sets then apart....to even get a invite to even a CFL camp you gotta be able to play and have talent....and brains So perhaps a lot of what ails us when we dont have a vet lineup in it's prime is our ability to coach and scheme effectively and get guys in right positions to be sucessful?....could very well be....Osh himself has said he at times has no clue whats going on in the locker room...and lets the guys sort things out themselves....maybe he needs to be more hands on now that he doesnt have the troops to self coach/police.....just spitballing but that is not out of the quation and making up a yarn

can't earn it if not given the shot....Practice isnt a place to earn anything really Kolo didnt earn it...was given to him by default when Couture went down and we had nobody else ....has he earned keeping it.?..hell to the no....but there he is...game in and game out

If we had a coach that was keeping inferior players on the regular for some unknown reason, we would see these players surfacing elsewhere and realizing their potential. I don't see a single guy we brought in that is making any sort of meaningful impact anywhere else. Can you name on guy who we passed on that is more than a rotational guy anywhere else? Therefore your theory that we are letting gems slip through the cracks isn't really supported by anything tangible. Not saying it isn't the case, maybe it is, but at this point that's purely conjecture.

Part of problem in my opinion tho is the HC ability to actually evaluate and identify the talent too....he values some things that don't translate to success on the field, and for whatever reason feels the need to play excessive Canadians at times...and in key spots when not needed If a scouting staff brings guys in and the HC chooses to keep and roster possibly inferior guys....then that's not on the scouting staff...Part of the issue here is after some yrs of futility, and almost getting canned Osh got some success with a loaded lineup (provided by the G.M and scouts) but then clinged to way too many and made some odd roster decisions as well and we never really re-loaded or had actual transition pieces being groomed...and where we actually did...we let em walk....did we give the coach based on that initial success too much leeway in who he wanted...and didnt....and the G.M allowed it?....was it the G.M was lazy and had no balls and didnt see it, or question things?...I think It a bit of A...a bit of B....and Walter's should have played Boss a few yrs ago and sat his coach down and said....sorry if this isnt to your liking but we moving on from player A...B...etc... And the part of the not playing up to snuff...well do some better coaching perhaps....or actual coaching....and if your staff beneath you isn't getting things done, then as the HC replace them...too much back slapping....buddy buddy stuff here....Thats a good thing to a point but you also have to be cut throat and cold too at times..... I think it was the sum of the parts really...Buck started out well....but ZC was also a better QB then...with better pieces...when he started to degrade, and we had to use and integrate a lot of new bodies...and some guys with minimal to zero experience...Buck couldnt adjust his playbook, or his calls Hogan now....is limited in what he can actually do, due to lack of experience and being a first time OC at the pro level....also think he has a bit of an ego that needs to be put in check....couple that with the worst receiving group in the league...and a less than 100 percent BO...well we getting what is to be expected....crap sandwiches He should have been 6 gamed minimum right out of the gate...if not 2 times....we likely set him back ...a lot and doubt he gonna be anywhere near what he was the first 2 yrs this yr The fact he is braced up now....not a good sign at all and really....rostering him again is probably a really stupid decision...gonna hand cuff us....and him and takes away a healthy individual from play time/development sadly...I totally expect us to do this....

I hope I'm wrong but I've got the feeling that Roadhouse's best days are behind him ... and even if he can get back to his peak, he's going to take awhile to get there.

Yes and no. Surely Collaros made some bad decisions, but mostly because Buck allowed him to do so. Sometimes and OC has to take the green light away and that was Buck's biggest flaw. What we have in Hogan will be really put to the test with Schoen and Wilson (almost certainly going to be cut by the Jets) set to join us soon. That vastly improves our receiver set. If our offence can't get on track with the addition of these two guys then we know we have a huge problem at OC.

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Neufeld has been rock solid the past several years. Old? Yes. Still playing good football? Yes. Really kind of an odd guy to pick if you are talking about a guy not earning his spot. Has Eli ever gotten a chance at C? Nope, has he earned that chance? Nope. The guy is here because if he ever gets it together he has all the skill in the world, unfortunately, he doesn't seem to bring it on game day. I am no huge Kola fan by any stretch of the imagination but thinking we have an in-house replacement for him right now is wishful thinking.

When has Eli ever been put in at centre? And if he's awful why is he here? Kolankowski is a bottom teir starter on this team, should be a priority to replace rather than untouchable. As for neufeld, why threatened? Old, often injured or playing injured....

I liked buck for the most part, just last year he seemed to get stupid, but that might also have been collaros problems.

Yea...I think you could say that about every football forum ever in any pro league. An OC has never been good enough even when they clearly have been. That being said, I am not a huge Hogan fan right now. Sometimes a football forum does have a valid reason for criticism. That being said, Walters didn't give the coaching staff much to work with in the passing game.

has there ever been a Bomber OC that MBB liked? Looking at the recent OCs... Marcel Bellefeuille -- emergency scrap heap guy, only competent option at the time, somehow hung on way too long Lapo -- too cerebral, no killer instinct, bad playcaller. QBs check down too often. Buck -- ruined Streveler, predictable playcaller. QBs go deep too often. Hogan -- worse than Buck. offence starts hot and ends cold. can't make adjustments. seen wearing backwards hat and sunglasses. seriously, I don't think I can recall an OC who was good enough for this board.

I can agree that it's not one or the other, both management and coaching staff are not performing well. My point is that at the end of the day, talent level is a GMs job not a HCs. How that talent performs on the field is coaching. We have a talent defiiciency for sure, and the talent we do have is not performing up to snuff...or at least to the level we now demand as an organization. Top teams stay top teams by demanding excellence and we are not getting it from Walters on down to the players on the PR.

nobody is off the hook...been a major crap show since January...no foresight....real plan...no forward thinking....zero succession in place for most part anywhere...lot of hopium tho Walter's tho is the guy with say in releasing him...who knows if Osh fought it and still wanted him around or not...I tend to think he probably did based on Osh history with players and his reluctance to even bench a guy....let alone admit as soon as it apparent a guy is not good enough. Doesn't want to appear as if he wrong or made a mistake....and will keep pounding square pegs into round holes over and over and over....history shows us this Is it an ego thing?...who knows....but it's a serious flaw None the less....the success and the flops and shitshow stuff is a collective of Walters and his team....and Osh and his....and of late...been more flopping and shittin round here....have they ran their course...an epic failure this yr to me says yes and change in order....this cant continue and be allowed to fester

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Eli might be good enough, but he certainly hasn't earned any opportunity with his play thus far. If he wants the job, and this is the biggest problem with Eli, he has to perform. The guy has all the talent in the world but plays half arsed when he gets into the lineup. That is not even debateable. Any time we have called his number he doesn't show up to play at the level he probably can. Problem with Eli isn't talent level, it's effort level. If he wants the job, he needs to demonstrate that he will bring it.

I'm not going to argue that he should have been sat earlier, or that our coaching could use improvement, but a call down to the sideline? Nope not buying it for one second. I'm not going to let Walters off the hook just as you won't let Osh off the hook. IMO, Walters is the worst of the underperformers. Guy has had a terrible last 2 seasons in the job.

I agree Booch, Kolo seems to be a good guy - but he needs to be challenged - whether by Eli, or Vibert, or someone else. Accountability.

step one....actually put Eli there and give him several games....and if he is no better....batter up until you find the right guy

We could try Vibert - he is a centre - put him on as a backup - and give him some opportunity.

well if it was all you say....took friggin long enough...so who knows.....and a call doen to the sideline could have happened...and yes...it does...seen it first hand None the less....I have minimal faith in the staff to consistently do right thing or make right decisions until proven otherwise....and thats based on what we have all seen....putrid coaching in a lot of areas...instances.... exactly...if it took dear leader that long to see it....then yeah he isnt the best and actually seeing what the issue is....after game 4 he should have been parked....not game 8

well...Hardrick...Desjarlais...Couture...Chungh....Dobson basically all left for more money.....(Goosen retired so Couture stepped in) ....We have turned over some guys indeed but not really by choice...we figured they were not worth the cost and didn't really have a lot left in the cupboard as it slowly eroded away....so to say we swapped a ton based on seeing Guy B is better than Guy A...isnt necessarily true Even the tackle in MTL who has played well for them we let go....Kolo has sucked for a while now....But Osh thjinks he's just great...Same with Thomas....we have guys who can replace them, as starters...even punt off the roster....but nope Yeah...Neuf is solid....not sure why many here think he's a weak spot.....compensating for a weak center thjo will affect both guards Eli is more than good enough....kinda funny people think he not...when have we seen him given the center spot and run with it for a period of 3..4 games....never......Kolo was grabbed off scrap heap languishing there for 2 yrs...nobody wanted him...we grabbed him as a deep depth piece and an injury got him in the lineup...Osh likes sub par Canadian players and will keep them in lineup for whatever his reason/agenda is....but our lie started to falter ever since...and since he has gotten older and skills (what minimal ones he had) erode even more...we are looking worse and worse agreed ....

Neufeld and all big men occasionally look like they are done for by the 4th Q. Did you have a problem with his play? I agree that at the moment we could use another NAT OL for our PR. Fact of the matter is that we are almost certainly not going to find a NAT OL that is nearly as good as Neufeld either internally or externally. That needed to be done in the offseason. It is not a case of a coach being loyal to a fault to a veteran when the veteran is by far and away the best option.

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