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AND lines are built from inside and out...and we were/are worst in the league at center and DT.....and who do we play there...JT and the Matador Kolo You set the inside...anchor a Tackle and an End....you thrive I had no issue with Big Stan...a solid center....and guard who doesn't have to compensate....and Bryant is just...Bryant and Really I'd have no issue if he comes back and we stop the rigidity of our ratio. With who we have currently, Give me a Bryant..Vpool..Eli...Wallace...Randolph and Neuf as 6th and we are light yrs better than what we witnessed all yr Only reason why I have Neuf behind Wallace is because the young buck needs to play to get even better...and Neuf can play allalong the line save for LT if need be Same with defence.....get 2 actual inside guys to work with Lawson....2 young ends to take major reps....with another to rotate on and yes have WJ playing varied spots on the line and just told to get after the QB and be responsible in that role....we'd be just fine....it's not rocket science This idea of WJ to play knockdown and be flat footed all the time...constant Jake and Korn when he was on roster doing nothing....no rotational end whatsoever an then on top dressing 2 DA's who served no use on defence more times than not was just suicide....We have 2 Canadians in Shay and Smith who excel on teams and could easily take consistent reps on defense and probably become really good to allow you to dress an extra American for the dline....Plus use Bailey as another guy who plays teams, can play on defense and lso works to your benefit ratio wise...The use all yr of the other Global who had no use at all again was a wtf you doing decision....

Sometimes, not always, it isn't about better it's about different.

There's two old adages in football that I still believe to be 100% true... defense wins championships... and you build your team from the lines out... the second one was our downfall this year... I said it earlier in the season... all else being equal behind the lines, if we could import a dominant OL and DL on this exact same team... I think we'd be hosting the WF again next week... All this is to say... that I agree we should've kept Lawler and he would've helped the offense immensely... having poor lines was our biggest downfall

3DN has pretty much confirmed most of this list with a few differences: The Winnipeg Blue Bombers' potential 2026 free agents list - 3DownNation Not on the 3DN list (some of these guys may have re-signed at some point or they weren't on a standard deal): Ayers - signed for the 2024 season with team option for 2025. Cobb - confirmed to have signed a 1 year deal for 2025. Kelly - signed his rookie deal in 2023 so it expires after this season. Randolph - signed for the 2024 season with team option for 2025. Vanterpool - signed for the 2024 season with team option for 2025. T. Wilson - signed for the 2024 season with team option for 2025. They also have Houston listed but I haven't seen it specifically listed anywhere that he came back on a 1 year deal but it's very possible\probable.

you can bust your ass all you want but when it amounts to nothing...who cares...I could go out and bust my ass too (I'd prob be more successful too than him truth be told) but you dont see me on any roster no more Jake's prence just takes another player off the roster who could make an impact....and then makes the job of his dline mates tougher as they can be schemed against more....football is a game where one putz can affect the whole system....and when you have multiple on both sides of the ball...well......

Basically football 101 And dont hire from within in the old boys country club stand pat and be complacent thinking things will just work out again mode....actually put the work in and coach....plan....look forward and project...there's an idea...again....football 101

biggest blunder for sure....why do people think ZC looked good and other receiver's had impacts....cause they had space and more often than not 2 db's and at times the safety cheating over taken out of the mix watching Lawler on any given play If paying Lawler meant dumping a Thomas and or Kramdi...Or a Kolo...so be it...all 3 of those guys if not on the roster actually would have made us better as a team on top of it...and at a lesser cost...rippling down to maybe keeping another guy we lost....

Fire Hogan, replace key personnel on both lines. Get some fire. Learn to tackle.

Cam Allen as well. Not sure how many rookies you expect to make an impact, especially when the HC prefers to run with a veteran group (despite subpar play from some of them).

IMO these are the offseason steps that need to be taken, difficult as some may be. Jefferson(age/invisible most games), Thomas(age/useless pylon), Vaughters(age/invisible most games), Wilson(age/injury prone), Kolankowski(old/useless pylon), Schoen(injury prone), and Streveler(not a quarterback/injury prone) should all be let go/not re-signed. I'd honestly be ok with letting Collaros go too if they can get Elgersma signed. Bring in a guy like Crumb as your backup QB. Rebuild your d-line with FA's and young guys. Fire Hogan. And if O'Shea isnt on board with the changes he can GTFO too. Time to start fresh. The team is old and stale.

and Kolo...some just embarrassingly bad plays from both....Eli looked just fine stepping in out of position for Neuf....Time for him to be the center now... I've said several times there was a reason and connection as to why it seemed like we missed out on some guys in FA that would have kept this train chugging along...many here tried to deny it....but it is real nope....not way to build....but perfect way to retool and augment and keep your arse on the top of the hill.....if there is a legit player there for taking and you dont cause you prefer your own garbage in certain spots because that how you do your ratio...or your love/loyalty to a vet who is on downside, as opposed to upside....well then you deserve to, and will fail...we seen it here first hand

why.....Dumb and even dumber were nobody...nothing's...unknows too when they started....and it showed in first 2.5 yrs with Dumber until he got his feet held to the fire and "had" to make some changes to save his smug face Internal would be the dumbest thing...we seen how that panned out with OC guy...we need new vison/idea's...philosophy...the foundation and way we do things here organizationally is set and solid....but we need a new driver Everything built here wont fly out the door by canning the HC....and as the HC claims...he rarely knows the pulse of the room...the vets keep it in working order....that being said...perhaps he should be more hands on and coach and be part of the pulse....and actually coach and be the disciplinarian when need be....

Bailey got a few clean shots too after the throw....and then we went to the ESF and played the let him stand around with not a worry in the world scheme and pick us apart for 500+ net yards

not sure what his options are or would be.... yeah....I'd rather trade a flier guy than A QB who will most definately will be here....and it would be just like us to dump a QB who turned out to be the next legit one We need to can OC guy ASAP tho as no FA in right mind will wannna play under that dolt yeah....just shook my head on one route scheme saturdy....Pokey and I cant recall who but ran crossers....same level from opposite sides of the field and almost ran right into each other....hows a QB to pick up the free guy in tht mess...like wtf....was wen we were goinf left to right on TV screen...will have to rewatch but havnt had the stomach to yet

We only got 2 sacks in that game - both by rookies. Matt Jaworski (Fordham University) had one & so did Kydran Jenkins (Purdue - where he was teammates with Cam Allen) .

ZC is out to lunch on keeping core together.....but also depends on who the "core" is tho BO....Peterson...Pokey....MCI....Clercius....Demski...Eli...Wallace...Randolph...Vpool...Those should be considered core guys for offence....and not all necessarily pencilled in as defacto starters....some could be that actual legit depth if we can obtain better Demski needs to be 2A/2B in that group of receivers, Pokey can be the legit #1 but we need another legit top end guy to run shotgun with him....If we can't swing a trade, or sign a legit free agent QB1 if there is even one available then ZC can be back....but big "of" attached to that....If we actually can Hogan and get a legit OC....Have a legit group of weapons so ZC doesn't have to zero in on one guy and force things, and rely on heave and hope. The biggest if is he needs to be head and shoulders better than any QB in camp, and since we tied to him anyway if it is as a mentor Backup QB and solid back-up then so be it...and if he not happy with that then cut him free....as not sure what his "options" are and thats not a good attitude you want on a team trying to right the ship instead of a total teardown...and just reeks of the gifted country club atmosphere here we need to evaporate immediately There will be more than ample legit free agent targets this yr....so open up the wallaett....be open minded to what you can do with ratio and grab the best available...pretty simple....we dont need to roll out how we deploy ratio as we have for the last 5 yrs...as it's basically took us out of the running for a lot of talent we could have had, and just encouraged us toi keep a lot of out garbage too many yrs well past their usefulness I'm fine with WJ coming back...but as that vet glue...accessorily...reputation....Mentor...whatever you need to call it guy role and really he wasnt as bad as many like to think and my thoughts it's more of scheme and what they asked of him, as opposed to eroded talent...and if you are asked to hang around the line...and act like a volleyball player at the net then yeah at times you gonna look like loafing and just pointless out there....But we need young...active....complimentary ends eating up 60...70 percent of snaps and you rotate WJ in and just turn him loose Other core on defense..Ayers..Woodbey..Lawson...Woods...Smith...Shay...Nichols...Griffin.....Bailey...Allen (The 3 young ends...Jenkins/Person/Jaworski and let the best 1...or 2 make it out of camp if we dont find a FA end to be the lynchpin) after that we need some revamping....And again if we cant scout our own guys...there will be many available....and like with offence...Rigitity of ratio as well on defensive side of the ball is just a handcuff Kramdi for what he offers...and costs...is just not good enough and isn't helping things...Holm sure he got the MODP award here...not sure how but he is soft and flawed too....in a different role sure maybe he core...and would still love to see him as a "centerfield" type safety and become a picking machine Parker...Lawson JR....an the rest of the smurf clan can kick rocks....time to loose this love of theses apparent "athletic" lil waifs and roster some playmaker guys who can win battles with the 5'11" and taller receivers...we see too much bullying and lack of physicality in our backfield allowing drives to continue....we have the least physical/intimidating group in league Most importantly....our best course of action is to move on from Osh.....keep the rest intact as I am certain he isnt changing his ways...or even knows how too...an if we see no improving next yr....move on from G.M I didnt watch or listen to any of the post game drivel he may have said so not sure what his "take" was....but whatever it was I an sure was a load of crap as per usual I wanted a win...expected a loss....and stated before playoffs reason why, and that coaching ...decisions related to coaching and rostering would be our demise "of" we got to playoffs....and well wasnt far off the mark We came out uninspired...poorly prepped....out schemed right outta the gate and had an inferior roster as to what we could have had....sure we had a little spurt in the 3rd....but did anyone really think we would maintain it and hold that lead?...I didnt as much as I hoped we could have And biggest thing....no feet dragging this off-sesson...as soon as the Cup is handed off to the winning team captain it should be announced this coach is fired....that this coach is not being asked back...and player X...Y....Z....Heck...throw in A...D..M...P as well is not part of 2026

"If Hogan comes back as OC for sure we lose"...me (a season ticket holder). I was wary when he was announced as the new OC but, at the time, trusted that the Bombers' tall foreheads knew what they were doing. However, I'm extremely disappointed in Hogan, not so much that he was a "rookie" but, to my eye, because he didn't improve over the course of the season.

If Hogan comes back as OC for sure we lose Brady. That would be massive & the biggest red flag I see. Hogan has to go. But will our stubborn HC admit he was wrong & actually do it? Will his ego trump what's best for the team?

Who was that rookie Defensive End I believe from Florida or Florida State who sacked Bethel-Thompson a few times in our last home game? I think he's guaranteed 1/3 of his salary so he'll be around. I'm one of the few here who still believe in Zach. He was handcuffed by a subpar reciving group, old & slow OL & a **** up of an OC in Hogan. I'd like to see what he'd do with a revamped line, better receivers & JJ calling the plays.

How can you say Thomas os not the problem but the Defensive Line sucks? Thomas plays on the DL in a 3 man front & gets destroyed. Playng his ass off means nothing if he loses on most plays. You think getting blown out doesn't affect the play of that line, think again. We have a DC who dresses ten linebackers & then plays a 3 man front. There is no pressure. QBs can just sit there & pick their targets. Give the secondary some credit as I think they have played well. What a goofy base defense. Jordan Younge must love Cheetos.

I just can't imagine Jake Thomas coming back again but if Osh is still here, I wouldn't be surprised if he did & started again. It's a joke. Playing Thomas on a 3 man front is like watching a boat get swept out to sea in Hurricane Melissa. We could have bolstered the DL which would have made a huge difference. There were free agent OL out there. None signed. Claimed we didn't have the money. As far as recruiting goes, I think we did fine but the Head Coach plays his favourites. Young guys barely get a chance.

Woodbey. Vaval. Am I missing anyone? Cuz that’s it for guys from this camp who made an impact. 2 guys. Pretty brutal. Surely I’m missing someone but I’m not am I? Maybe you can say vanterpool also. So 3 guys. That’s not very good. Scouting is a problem. Yes got potential for an end and D tackle but 3 guys stepping up isn’t lots.

Picks this week need to be in by Sat @ 2PM Standings below:

Very interesting comparison.... Dave Ritchie was notorious for sticking with his good old boys at all costs and Charles Roberts had to basically walk away from the team for them to give him the chance... and as you said, he became one of the teams all time best.

“(In training camp) we repped a lot of things that we didn’t rep during the season. I didn’t get a lot of reps with the guys who were playing. My situation put us in jeopardy there with the suspension and trying to manage that. I think it’s getting reps — reps with the players, reps with what concepts do we like? On second-and-six, second-and-five with the game on the line, what are we going to call because we know we can execute the play? I don’t know if we had that this year, so getting good at something, I think, matters https://3downnation.com/2025/11/02/zach-collaros-frustrated-by-2025-season-but-plans-to-play-for-winnipeg-blue-bombers-in-2026/ That all tracks, but boy is that a pile of red flags. No wonder our go tos ended up being old holdovers from lapo/buck and why zach couldn’t build a repoire with any one this year. And yeah as has been said ad nauseam, the concepts we ran were trash.