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9 hours ago, The Unknown Poster said:

Anyone want to make predictions on what happens?

My guess is they make the jump.  I think the timing in their career is right and as long as they keep some creative control, it makes sense.

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Edited November 2, 20187 yr by bigg jay

So....anyone watching Crown Jewel?

Hunter tore a pec and needs surgery.  That main event looked really old. 

35 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:

Hunter tore a pec and needs surgery.  That main event looked really old. 

Hunter always made it about himself.  That's what you get when you main event & get into the ring once or twice a year at his age & tries to recapture his youth.  Shawn Micheals better think twice about a comeback.  Same with the Undertaker & Kane.

4 hours ago, The Unknown Poster said:

So....anyone watching Crown Jewel?

It's called work. I don't have the money those Sheiks, Princes & wrestlers have.

On 2018-11-01 at 11:13 AM, The Unknown Poster said:

And some interesting news coming out of the Jericho Cruise.  Really, the biggest news in wrestling is where will Kenny Omega go, and that really becomes a "where does the Bullet Club go".

Cody Rhodes' contract is now expired so he's a free agent.  The Bucks expire at the end of the year and Kenny's expires end of January.  WWE wants them all.  ROH wants them all.  New Japan wants them all.

On the Cruise, Cody said he "swore to God he wasnt going to WWE" but later said his wife and the other guys gave him **** for saying that.  They also announced that they were all no longer part of the Bullet Club and that they were "The Elite".  They had previously announced their Bullet Club merch was ending at the end of the year and only their individual merch and Elite merch would be sold moving forward.

The Elite group (Kenny, Cody, Bucks, Hangman Page) have said they are very serious about wanting to stay together as a group and make a group decision on where they go next.  Hangman Page declined both WWE and ROH recently to remain a free agent while waiting for everyone's contracts to expire.

There are rumors of a "billionaire" wanting to invest with Jericho and Jim Ross involved.

Supposedly ROH's parent company Sinclair (which is a huge media company, owns the largest TV station group in the US and is far richer than WWE) was looking to invest more heavily in ROH but it seems that has changed as ROH's offers to guys have not been enough to secure them.

Conflicting reports on guys being upset with New Japan management.

And its being reported WWE has made offers to everyone including developed an initial angle for them to debut.  WWE is cognizant of tampering (as they got in trouble when offering ROH guys deals before they were free agents).  But with key guys being free already, those talks can happen (and I know one key guy who has an agent when he never did before so he can receive offers).

It really cant be over-stated how critical all this is.  If the Elite guys do stay together, they will have an impact on the wrestling landscape in a way Im not sure we've seen since Hall & Nash jumped to WCW.  

If they all go to WWE, you always risk WWE screwing it up but I strongly suspect that they'd have certain contractual assurances and freedoms.  Plus, its Hunter driving this bus, not Vince.  Vince calls the final shots though but I really think this would be a Hunter thing in a way it hasnt been before. 

It would give WWE an injection of fresh blood, especially with Kenny who is the best chance to be a major game changer since Cena (and I think if done right, he can be the next cross-over mega star in the vein of Austin or Rock....not saying he'd be THAT big, just that vein of mega star).   It would drastically help House Shows which lost money for the first time in forever and especially with Roman out, Kenny as the new face is something pretty obvious (and Cody could be an upper card star and I like Page a lot too).

If they all stay with some combination of ROH/New Japan, especially New Japan, it allows them to continue investing in a US/Global expansion that becomes a lot harder without those guys.  It likely allows them to do an All In 2 that Cody really wants to do.  It allows them to keep doing the Being The Elite steaming show (which does very well).  Word is WWE is fine with them continuing the show (and I could see it becoming a Network show actually).

Anyone want to make predictions on what happens?  I had an interesting conversation with Kenny two weeks ago...I have never asked him point blank what his plans are because I dont want him to either have to lie to me or divulge info to me that he feels uncomfortable divulging.  But when we've discussed his future in the past, he's always been pretty frank (when the first "will he or wont" debate raged a few years ago, he emailed me to say he was staying in New Japan before anyone knew, for example).

He told me he legitimately doesnt know what they're going to do.  I said, well let me give you my hypothesis...and he said sure.  I told him what I thought and he had a big smile and said I was "very hot" (when asked if I was cold or warm).

I was on the Jericho cruise. I have to say, the matches were phenomenal. 

10 hours ago, Goldkobra said:

I was on the Jericho cruise. I have to say, the matches were phenomenal. 

Fill us in!  I think the news coming out of the cruise is that it was a lot more fun then many people expected.  Seems like it was an awesone time. 

Perhaps best remembered as HBK’s trainer who managed him when he beat Bret for the world title. 

 

On 2018-11-06 at 7:34 AM, The Unknown Poster said:

Fill us in!  I think the news coming out of the cruise is that it was a lot more fun then many people expected.  Seems like it was an awesone time. 

It was an awesome time. Best vacay the wife and i have ever been on. Met some very cool people. Tons of activities on board other than wrestling.  Like podcasts and standup comedians. So i didn't see every match and i was hammered for some that i did. The bullet club vs alpha club match was off the chain!! Kenny went over on one of the bucks. The high point for me was kenny hitting a double Frankensteiner on both bucks at the same time!! Lost my mind a bit on that one.

The cruise tournament winner was flip gordon. Wasn't too familiar with him beforehand but wow! He's an awesome talent.  Both Briscoe's were in the tourney so we were treated to a brother vs brother match. That was pretty cool. 

The  finale was the elite vs tna. Cody rhodes, the bucks, hangman page, and marty scurll. The elite came out dressed as super Mario characters. The bucks as Mario and Luigi. Cody as bowser. Hangman as yoshi and marty as wario. Also brandi rhodes as princess peach. Tna had SCU, brian cage and sami Callahan. Wrestling with guys dressed as Mario characters was something I didn't know i needed to see until I saw it.

Funny part of the match was the teams taking turns carrying off brandi rhodes to their corner. Another high spot was a triangle choke that turned into an 9 man triangle choke chain that went up the ropes and almost out of the ring. With one of the buck trying to turn the chain over into a 9 man Boston crab. He didn't have the power to do it so kenny omega came out dressed like toad with an xbox controller and gave him power ups via the controller.  Marty/wario turned villain in the match and left his team hanging and bolted to the  back. 

The finish was sami Callahan grabbing a mic and cutting a promo on how roh, tna, his teammates, Chris Jericho, the cruise and everyone on sucked and the only reason it sold out was because sami Callahan was on it. Resulting in a 8 man simultaneous super kick and dog pile pin. The winner of the match was everyone except sami. 

 

I would answer, "Shoot". Maybe a little of both but mostly Shoot. 

The animosity that it created, along with Owen's death, seemed legit. 

100% a work, maybe the greatest work of all time

26 minutes ago, Atomic said:

100% a work, maybe the greatest work of all time

I love conspiracy theories.   In 2002, my ex-partner (business) and I had an in-depth discussion about it and while we agreed it was a shoot, the idea of it being a work was so intriguing we considered writing a book about it - The Montreal Hoax.  

I always thought it was a bit of both.  Certainly the relationship between Brett Hart, Triple H & Shawn Michaels was poison so who knows?

This was a rough one for me too 

 

On 2018-11-13 at 11:00 AM, The Unknown Poster said:

This was a rough one for me too 

 

 

That one and Piper were the two that hit hard for me. Two guys I really wanted to have a chance to talk to for a couple of minutes.

 

On a happier note, anyone checking out Sherb Your Enthusiasm? Sounds like it will be a fun show. PCO is a hell of a story, looking forward to seeing him in a few weeks.

1 hour ago, ediger said:

 

That one and Piper were the two that hit hard for me. Two guys I really wanted to have a chance to talk to for a couple of minutes.

 

On a happier note, anyone checking out Sherb Your Enthusiasm? Sounds like it will be a fun show. PCO is a hell of a story, looking forward to seeing him in a few weeks.

Ask me after the show... 😉

On 2018-11-09 at 5:20 PM, SpeedFlex27 said:

I always thought it was a bit of both.  Certainly the relationship between Brett Hart, Triple H & Shawn Michaels was poison so who knows?

100% shoot (in the traditional sense).  Bret had no idea, although Davey warned him to watch out for it but the idea of happening was so crazy at that time, he immediately dismissed the warning.  

Vince, HBK, Hunter, Brisco...and I believe Patterson and Jim Ross knew it was happening.  Patterson is the one who suggested the reverse sharpshooter spot and Jim Ross made some remarks before the show about it being Bret's last match.

I would have believed in the work but it would have come out once Owen died.  Plus, Bret's documentary crew filmed it and Vince tried hard to block release of the film.  

Nia Jax getting heat with her punch to the face of Becky Lynch last night breaking her nose & giving her a concussion. She can't wrestle Rhonda Rousey this Sunday. There goes the buildup that was getting a lot of interest because of what she did. First reports said it was an accidental elbow. Now reports are saying it was a deliberate punch. Some want her sent down to developmental for more training.

2 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

Nia Jax getting heat with her punch to the face of Becky Lynch last night breaking her nose & giving her a concussion. She can't wrestle Rhonda Rousey this Sunday. There goes the buildup that was getting a lot of interest because of what she did. First reports said it was an accidental elbow. Now reports are saying it was a deliberate punch. Some want her sent down to developmental for more training.

Accidents happen but Nia has several incidents of this. And she was facing Becky. If it was an accident she is reckless and crappy. If she did it on purpose she should be fired. 

In a way it might help wwe cause I assume they’d have Ronda win but Becky is their hottest star right now.  Save it for wm 

1 hour ago, The Unknown Poster said:

Accidents happen but Nia has several incidents of this. And she was facing Becky. If it was an accident she is reckless and crappy. If she did it on purpose she should be fired. 

In a way it might help wwe cause I assume they’d have Ronda win but Becky is their hottest star right now.  Save it for wm 

Too bad. Would have been a good match. 

 

9 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

 

Incredibly careless or malicious.  Either way, she should be sent to Florida or the unemployment line.

Anyone catch Survivor Series last night?

It was good.  Notable for Nia being boo'ed to high hell (and playing up that she injured Becky).  Ronda getting boo'ed (and she's from Cali) and looking very pissed off about it.  Charlotte doing a hot heel turn where she decimates Ronda and gets cheered like mad (of course).

RAW beating SD in every match (other then the pre-show and supposedly Vince ordered a clean sweep and someone screwed up and had SD win the pre-show lol).

Enzo Amore showing up in a disguise in the second row and revealed himself, cut a promo and was tackled by security (apparently security tuned him up pretty good too).

Brock and Bryan had a really good match.

Gotta go all the way with Drew Mac.  He's way better than Stroman.