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Simmons not playing. 

 

Some should be pleased to see only 7 national "starters".

 

 

 

 

 

Is cutting or sitting a player the only way to hold them accountable?

 

Would you say that Kuale last year was held accountable for all of his selfish undisciplined penalties? 

 

 

How should I know?  I'm not in the locker room.  However you've made it clear that you believe the only way to hold a player accountable is to bash them in the media, sit them, or cut them.  I disagree.

 

Considering that he continued to make the same mistakes over and over again and kept playing I don't think you can consider him being ''held accountable''. Look at how Bill Belichick runs things. He benched Wes Welker for the first Quarter of a playoff game. That's a coach who demands respect and accountability from his players.

 

The way O'Shea would talk about Kuale I wonder if he was really aware of how poorly he played. That might not make much sense so take it for what it's worth.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

Is cutting or sitting a player the only way to hold them accountable?

 

Would you say that Kuale last year was held accountable for all of his selfish undisciplined penalties? 

 

 

How should I know?  I'm not in the locker room.  However you've made it clear that you believe the only way to hold a player accountable is to bash them in the media, sit them, or cut them.  I disagree.

 

Considering that he continued to make the same mistakes over and over again and kept playing I don't think you can consider him being ''held accountable''. Look at how Bill Belichick runs things. He benched Wes Welker for the first Quarter of a playoff game. That's a coach who demands respect and accountability from his players.

 

The way O'Shea would talk about Kuale I wonder if he was really aware of how poorly he played. That might not make much sense so take it for what it's worth.  

 

I think O'shea was well aware of Kuales stupidity and i think he's the type of coach that just won't throw his players under the  bus in public.. Sometimes, this forum makes me scratch my head at times and say to myself, guess mike kelly was actually right... Cuz Tim Burke did throw players under the bus and people  hated it, O'shea doesn't and people hate it. I dunno, I go back to Paul Maurice with the JETS, said what happens in the room stays in the room, i can make you fn cry in that room, i think O'shea is the same way, I think in that room he could make you fn cry, but outside of it, he's gonna defend those same players. I don't think theres anything wrong with that. Kuale? Well, he's not here anymore so i think that says just about everything we need to know about how the coaches actually viewed him. 

Kuale isn't here anymore because of Hall, not O'Shea.

@SteveMorley62: @garrettbillan1 I love O'Shea but he's played 16 years at the position you bang your head the most. Makes you wonder..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Is cutting or sitting a player the only way to hold them accountable?

 

Would you say that Kuale last year was held accountable for all of his selfish undisciplined penalties? 

 

 

How should I know?  I'm not in the locker room.  However you've made it clear that you believe the only way to hold a player accountable is to bash them in the media, sit them, or cut them.  I disagree.

 

Considering that he continued to make the same mistakes over and over again and kept playing I don't think you can consider him being ''held accountable''. Look at how Bill Belichick runs things. He benched Wes Welker for the first Quarter of a playoff game. That's a coach who demands respect and accountability from his players.

 

The way O'Shea would talk about Kuale I wonder if he was really aware of how poorly he played. That might not make much sense so take it for what it's worth.  

 

I think O'shea was well aware of Kuales stupidity and i think he's the type of coach that just won't throw his players under the  bus in public.. Sometimes, this forum makes me scratch my head at times and say to myself, guess mike kelly was actually right... Cuz Tim Burke did throw players under the bus and people  hated it, O'shea doesn't and people hate it. I dunno, I go back to Paul Maurice with the JETS, said what happens in the room stays in the room, i can make you fn cry in that room, i think O'shea is the same way, I think in that room he could make you fn cry, but outside of it, he's gonna defend those same players. I don't think theres anything wrong with that. Kuale? Well, he's not here anymore so i think that says just about everything we need to know about how the coaches actually viewed him. 

 

Kuale took snaps a way from Ian Wild last year.Just think about that for a minute. Words are just that words, you need to take action if you want someone to learn from their mistakes. Kuale shouldn't have even been on the roster. There's a reason he isn't in the league anymore, and there's no way he would've gotten the same leeway on any other team that her received here. Look at Ottawa cutting Brandon McDonald this week for being an idiot on the field, and he's actually a decent player.

Kuale isn't here anymore because of Hall, not O'Shea.

 

The reality is.. that's your opinion. I get that you like to think you are in the room, and you have all the answers but.. step back a bit and realize, you really don't know half as much as you pretend you do.  This isn't a shot at you, this goes for everybody really.. We aren't in the room, we don't know and honestly, you can quote steve morley all you want, it still means nothing. 

Kuale isn't here anymore because of Hall, not O'Shea.

The reality is.. that's your opinion. I get that you like to think you are in the room, and you have all the answers but.. step back a bit and realize, you really don't know half as much as you pretend you do. This isn't a shot at you, this goes for everybody really.. We aren't in the room, we don't know and honestly, you can quote steve morley all you want, it still means nothing.

Well I do know. Because Hall cut Kuale in Sask and then the writing was on the wall when the Bombers hired Hall. I even suggested it to Kuale and he laughed. A week later Kuale was cut.

 

Kuale isn't here anymore because of Hall, not O'Shea.

 

The reality is.. that's your opinion. I get that you like to think you are in the room, and you have all the answers but.. step back a bit and realize, you really don't know half as much as you pretend you do.  This isn't a shot at you, this goes for everybody really.. We aren't in the room, we don't know and honestly, you can quote steve morley all you want, it still means nothing. 

 

You are dead on when saying we are not in the room. The problem is we can only make a call on what we get to see during the game.  But I have to ask: If Kuale was being taken behind the wood shed during the week why was there not any markable differences from one week to the next? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Is cutting or sitting a player the only way to hold them accountable?

 

Would you say that Kuale last year was held accountable for all of his selfish undisciplined penalties? 

 

 

How should I know?  I'm not in the locker room.  However you've made it clear that you believe the only way to hold a player accountable is to bash them in the media, sit them, or cut them.  I disagree.

 

Considering that he continued to make the same mistakes over and over again and kept playing I don't think you can consider him being ''held accountable''. Look at how Bill Belichick runs things. He benched Wes Welker for the first Quarter of a playoff game. That's a coach who demands respect and accountability from his players.

 

The way O'Shea would talk about Kuale I wonder if he was really aware of how poorly he played. That might not make much sense so take it for what it's worth.  

 

To be fair, it wasn't just O'Shea.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Is cutting or sitting a player the only way to hold them accountable?

 

Would you say that Kuale last year was held accountable for all of his selfish undisciplined penalties? 

 

 

How should I know?  I'm not in the locker room.  However you've made it clear that you believe the only way to hold a player accountable is to bash them in the media, sit them, or cut them.  I disagree.

 

Considering that he continued to make the same mistakes over and over again and kept playing I don't think you can consider him being ''held accountable''. Look at how Bill Belichick runs things. He benched Wes Welker for the first Quarter of a playoff game. That's a coach who demands respect and accountability from his players.

 

The way O'Shea would talk about Kuale I wonder if he was really aware of how poorly he played. That might not make much sense so take it for what it's worth.  

 

To be fair, it wasn't just O'Shea.

 

Do you feel he played like that for us?

But again, to be fair, This regime isn't the type to throw players under the bus in public. I'll be the first to admit, Kuale should have been sent packing, both for his on field and off field conduct, he was getting in to it with fans on twitter, k, i'm sure some of those fans egged him on, and honestly, i'll never get going on twitter and ripping athletes a new one but... the guy go in to it on twitter with fans and was a goof on the field... Yeah, they don't throw guys under the bus in public, who knows what they do behind the scenes but yeah...Kuale is a good example of a guy getting way too many chances... But let's not pretend that the bombers are the only team to give him chance after chance after chance either, other teams have done the same with Kuale too. 

Physically, Kuale could be a stud LB in the NFL. It's between the ears is what's held him back.

But again, to be fair, This regime isn't the type to throw players under the bus in public. I'll be the first to admit, Kuale should have been sent packing, both for his on field and off field conduct, he was getting in to it with fans on twitter, k, i'm sure some of those fans egged him on, and honestly, i'll never get going on twitter and ripping athletes a new one but... the guy go in to it on twitter with fans and was a goof on the field... Yeah, they don't throw guys under the bus in public, who knows what they do behind the scenes but yeah...Kuale is a good example of a guy getting way too many chances... But let's not pretend that the bombers are the only team to give him chance after chance after chance either, other teams have done the same with Kuale too. 

I could care less about whether or not O'Shea criticized him in the media. What I would've liked to see is Kuale cut, or benched for a game or a quarter or the first series. Something to show that he has to change his behavior. 

I'll be honest, going on about Kuale, just seems well, it's kind of pointless as he's no longer here. Can we find any recent examples? Of guys who are actually still here? 

I'll be honest, going on about Kuale, just seems well, it's kind of pointless as he's no longer here. Can we find any recent examples? Of guys who are actually still here? 

Sure, let's talk about Troy Stoudermire in comparison to Justin Veltung. 

I'll be honest, going on about Kuale, just seems well, it's kind of pointless as he's no longer here. Can we find any recent examples? Of guys who are actually still here?

Sure, let's talk about Troy Stoudermire in comparison to Justin Veltung.

Or starting Turner over Collins.

 

 

I'll be honest, going on about Kuale, just seems well, it's kind of pointless as he's no longer here. Can we find any recent examples? Of guys who are actually still here?

Sure, let's talk about Troy Stoudermire in comparison to Justin Veltung.

Or starting Turner over Collins.

 

So, Kuale being cut is a Hall decision but Turner over Collins is an O'shea one? 

I'll be honest, going on about Kuale, just seems well, it's kind of pointless as he's no longer here. Can we find any recent examples? Of guys who are actually still here?

Sure, let's talk about Troy Stoudermire in comparison to Justin Veltung.

Or starting Turner over Collins.

So, Kuale being cut is a Hall decision but Turner over Collins is an O'shea one?

Not sure about the Turner/Collins decision.

 

I'll be honest, going on about Kuale, just seems well, it's kind of pointless as he's no longer here. Can we find any recent examples? Of guys who are actually still here? 

Sure, let's talk about Troy Stoudermire in comparison to Justin Veltung. 

 

Sure.

 

Kick Returns Veltung has a way better average... only 7 returns for him tho but for 201 yards or a 28.7 yard average as opposed to Stoudermire who has 18 returns for 379 yards or a 21.1 average. Yup Veltung is better there for sure, an it's not close

 

Punt Returns are a bit different story tho, they both aren't really lighting it up.. JV 9 returns for 73 yards or an 8.1 average. Stouds 27 for 214 or a 7.9 yard average

 

Got nothing to say about the Kick Returns, Veltung has done much better but Punt Returns being so close tells me, it's not so much the returner as it is the blocking. 

Who should on the Picard signing then?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Is cutting or sitting a player the only way to hold them accountable?

 

Would you say that Kuale last year was held accountable for all of his selfish undisciplined penalties? 

 

 

How should I know?  I'm not in the locker room.  However you've made it clear that you believe the only way to hold a player accountable is to bash them in the media, sit them, or cut them.  I disagree.

 

Considering that he continued to make the same mistakes over and over again and kept playing I don't think you can consider him being ''held accountable''. Look at how Bill Belichick runs things. He benched Wes Welker for the first Quarter of a playoff game. That's a coach who demands respect and accountability from his players.

 

The way O'Shea would talk about Kuale I wonder if he was really aware of how poorly he played. That might not make much sense so take it for what it's worth.  

 

To be fair, it wasn't just O'Shea.

 

Do you feel he played like that for us?

 

Sadly, no. He was not the same player when he played for us. Had lost a step, I think. Teams had no problem running the ball straight down the gut. Kuale was always late with the hit and took way too many penalties followed by the chest pounding and macho stuff. O'Shea would defend him as being an intimidating force but I never understood why Kuale was allowed to do the things he did here.

Who should on the Picard signing then?

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Who should on the Picard signing then?

According to Walters it was a joint effort between he, MOS, et al.

He wasn't deemed good enough to play ST in Calgary. You have to ask yourself why?

I did ask myself why, but I'm not on good speaking terms with myself, so, I didn't get an answer.

I think that Simmons is being over rated by many on this forum. Last year in Orrawa he was the best of a very bad lot, but it's pretty obvious that on a team with talent he is depth. Hopefully, he can play himself onto the 44 man and help us down the stretch, but people shouldn't be crying foul because he hasn't done so in his first week.

 

 

Ok Scooby      :D