Just wondering if the club will hand out a little 25th Anniversary watch with the picture of the Grey Cup on it when you buy the 2015 season tickets just to let us know they still have it around. And it doesn't have to work all that well. 

 

Did you know it's will be longer since our last Grey cup than the creation of the first Web Server as in WWW.

 

.westillsuck.org (no .com then)

 

 

 

 

Too focused on wins and losses? You can't be too focused on wins in professional sports. It's what defines the team and the players and the coaches as winners or losers.

It's short sighted and doesn't take into account the starting point, and it's part of the reason why we've had this 25 year drought. Too many people have been fired because the instant results weren't there, or the team took a slight step back. All these knee jerk reactions because people only looked at wins and losses has done more damage to this team than anything.

This.. Omg so much this.. If previous regimes hadn't mortgaged the future so often to try and appease the filthy unwashed masses,.maybe the drought would have ended years ago... But because they got so caught up on wins and losses, draft picks a plenty were traded or burned... QBs crushed without getting ample time to acclimate...

A rebuild will never take a season or two... Especially after the destruction of our core like we have seen over and over again. It HAS happened before, yes... But that's the exception, not the norm..

That excuse is getting almost as old as the original sin and this draft thing is also getting well worn. How many of the Oline guys do we have left from our first choices? The fans had nothing to do with the choice of Etienne. But I guess it much easier to blame the fans instead of the very poor choice of managers we hired. We didn't trade or burn our choices, we wasted them because we picked the wrong guys. Further we did not pick up vets that could have helped us but choose to go with raw US rookies in previous years or in this year for that matter. How are the fans to blame for that? We let an all star guard go because we wanted to make him a center and he said no. (His words).

However, after the results of this year it will be very hard to blame the fans again. Going into next year with this team will get MOS in a very bad position comes LDC. One thing you must agree with, the fans will not wait another 2 or 3 years to get results and they shouldn't. Hamilton were 6-12 in 2012 and Grey Cup participants the next.

By the way MOS keeps saying he has a very good team, so much for the destruction of the core.

The previous regimes panicked over and over again when the losses piled up and the fanbase got up in arms.. Deny it all you want but why else would they throw away first rounders on bum QBs or go for boom or bust draft picks who were expected to wow from the start?

Frankly, i dont care if you agree with me or not.. Im confident that miller wont sway from his path, nor walters or O'shea.. i believe they understand what needs to be done to finish this process and know just how brutal this teams non imp and imp depth was..

Oh and for the record... That core we have.. Its pretty small. How much of it was carried over from 2-3 seasons ago? Thats not destruction, thats rebuilding..

 

Because we just did not know what we were going. Rookies all around.will get you that.

Calgary basically built their entire Canadian OL in one season. Brett Jones, Shane Bergman, and Brander Craighead drafted in 2013, with Dan Federkeil added through trade/free agency in the same offseason. It doesn't have to be as hard as we make it look.

Some say we inherited a bad lot to go forward. I don' think so. We had a corps of very good players who should have been built around. We didn't inherit a lot of the present key coaching staff, they were chosen, and as far as I'm concerned are a failed bunch. O'Shea gets a pass because it is a new position for him, Etch. and Bellefueille, not so much. They were not very successful in the past and now we are reaping the result of their ineptness. They are not going to magically get better. I think the players genuinely like Mike but I also know they aren't that gullible as to believe Etch and Bellefool are going to take them to the promised land. One of the main reasons for another failed season (getting tired of this crap) is that we had a green head coach and poor recycled offensive and defensive co-ordinators. The change starts there. Failing to do that will only bring us more of the same.

. One of the main reasons for another failed season (getting tired of this crap) is that we had a green head coach and poor recycled offensive and defensive co-ordinators. The change starts there. Failing to do that will only bring us more of the same.

and do you understand why that was? You know how undesirable a place you are for coaches when the average head coach gets 2 or 3 seasons before being fired and coordinators are lucky to get 1? Which proven coordinators do you suppose would want to come here if we fired the ones we have this year? You guys know that the lack of stability in the coacing and GM ranks is the reason guys like Stubler decided not to come here? 

 

. One of the main reasons for another failed season (getting tired of this crap) is that we had a green head coach and poor recycled offensive and defensive co-ordinators. The change starts there. Failing to do that will only bring us more of the same.

and do you understand why that was? You know how undesirable a place you are for coaches when the average head coach gets 2 or 3 seasons before being fired and coordinators are lucky to get 1? Which proven coordinators do you suppose would want to come here if we fired the ones we have this year? You guys know that the lack of stability in the coacing and GM ranks is the reason guys like Stubler decided not to come here? 

 

No, I don't know that Stubler decided not to go to Winnipeg based on the lack of stability, and you don't either.

 

Stability when you're winning is great.  It's bad when you're losing.  It creates an atmosphere of losing and it's incredibly hard to turn that around.

 

Giving coaches more time to screw up doesn't make Winnipeg a better choice for other coaches.  A winning team with a winning attitude makes it easier to sign coaches and players.  

 

Win or be replaced is better than we'll keep you around no matter what.

 

 

. One of the main reasons for another failed season (getting tired of this crap) is that we had a green head coach and poor recycled offensive and defensive co-ordinators. The change starts there. Failing to do that will only bring us more of the same.

and do you understand why that was? You know how undesirable a place you are for coaches when the average head coach gets 2 or 3 seasons before being fired and coordinators are lucky to get 1? Which proven coordinators do you suppose would want to come here if we fired the ones we have this year? You guys know that the lack of stability in the coacing and GM ranks is the reason guys like Stubler decided not to come here? 

 

No, I don't know that Stubler decided not to go to Winnipeg based on the lack of stability, and you don't either.

 

Stability when you're winning is great.  It's bad when you're losing.  It creates an atmosphere of losing and it's incredibly hard to turn that around.

 

Giving coaches more time to screw up doesn't make Winnipeg a better choice for other coaches.  A winning team with a winning attitude makes it easier to sign coaches and players.  

 

Win or be replaced is better than we'll keep you around no matter what.

 

and this is why it's been so ******* long since we've had a championship team and why we have had so many tire fire seasons. But hey I think you would honestly be happiest with lots to complain about. You're very much like Paul Friesen in that regard. 

It's still falls back on the people in charge for either not hiring the right people to begin with or for firing the right people prematurely.

 

 

 

. One of the main reasons for another failed season (getting tired of this crap) is that we had a green head coach and poor recycled offensive and defensive co-ordinators. The change starts there. Failing to do that will only bring us more of the same.

and do you understand why that was? You know how undesirable a place you are for coaches when the average head coach gets 2 or 3 seasons before being fired and coordinators are lucky to get 1? Which proven coordinators do you suppose would want to come here if we fired the ones we have this year? You guys know that the lack of stability in the coacing and GM ranks is the reason guys like Stubler decided not to come here? 

 

No, I don't know that Stubler decided not to go to Winnipeg based on the lack of stability, and you don't either.

 

Stability when you're winning is great.  It's bad when you're losing.  It creates an atmosphere of losing and it's incredibly hard to turn that around.

 

Giving coaches more time to screw up doesn't make Winnipeg a better choice for other coaches.  A winning team with a winning attitude makes it easier to sign coaches and players.  

 

Win or be replaced is better than we'll keep you around no matter what.

 

and this is why it's been so ******* long since we've had a championship team and why we have had so many tire fire seasons. But hey I think you would honestly be happiest with lots to complain about. You're very much like Paul Friesen in that regard. 

 

Not even close.  It's been a long time because of the coaches and players we've hired.  The only way the fans effect the team is by not buying tickets and merchandise.  That happens when we aren't winning.  Quite frankly, Bomber fans are some of the best in the league for putting up with constant mistakes the organization makes.

 

You're only happy when you're arguing.  

 

 

 

 

. One of the main reasons for another failed season (getting tired of this crap) is that we had a green head coach and poor recycled offensive and defensive co-ordinators. The change starts there. Failing to do that will only bring us more of the same.

and do you understand why that was? You know how undesirable a place you are for coaches when the average head coach gets 2 or 3 seasons before being fired and coordinators are lucky to get 1? Which proven coordinators do you suppose would want to come here if we fired the ones we have this year? You guys know that the lack of stability in the coacing and GM ranks is the reason guys like Stubler decided not to come here? 

 

No, I don't know that Stubler decided not to go to Winnipeg based on the lack of stability, and you don't either.

 

Stability when you're winning is great.  It's bad when you're losing.  It creates an atmosphere of losing and it's incredibly hard to turn that around.

 

Giving coaches more time to screw up doesn't make Winnipeg a better choice for other coaches.  A winning team with a winning attitude makes it easier to sign coaches and players.  

 

Win or be replaced is better than we'll keep you around no matter what.

 

and this is why it's been so ******* long since we've had a championship team and why we have had so many tire fire seasons. But hey I think you would honestly be happiest with lots to complain about. You're very much like Paul Friesen in that regard. 

 

Not even close.  It's been a long time because of the coaches and players we've hired.  The only way the fans effect the team is by not buying tickets and merchandise.  That happens when we aren't winning.  Quite frankly, Bomber fans are some of the best in the league for putting up with constant mistakes the organization makes.

 

You're only happy when you're arguing.  

 

it's not about fans, it's about management that has had the same attitude as fans like you. Oh Dave Ritchies team took a step back, better fire him, the resutls aren't there. Never mind that his successor was far far worse. Doug Berrys team took a step back one year? Better fire him the results aren't there and we need to win because it's been such a long time since there's been a championship. Never mind that his successor was the worst thing to happen to the team. Lapo went to the grey cup and had a bad start, better fire him, wins and losses are all that matters never mind that it caused a wasted season and a half with Tim Burke. You see how this nonsense of constantly firing guys digs the team deeper and deeper into a hole? You need stability in order to entice good people to want to come here. Right now the team has a **** reputation for job security, and rightly so. Like it or not that's just the way it is. Firing coordinators this year isn't going to help improve that reputation so we'll be stuck with has beens at best, never were's or hoping a rookie who is desperate for a chance to come here. Being impatient got the team into this mess, continuing that trend is not going to help. Patience is required. Forget all about how long it's been since the Bombers won a championship. Look at where this regime started and where we are now and you will see things are progressing. GIve it time and time is more than this season and next.

Job security in pro coaching?  Every coach knows that they have been hired to be fired.  Winning is the only thing provides any job security.  No coach should expect to get 3 years or more to turn things around.  Berry did it in year 1.

 

The coaches they brought in to replace the out going coaches are the problem, not the firing of the coaches in the first place.  Richie's time came to an end because the team was in disarray.  Berry shouldn't have been fired when he was.  PLAP and Mack should have been fired sooner than they were.

 

If we'd lost at the beginning of the year and won 5 of the last 6 games then sure, keep all the coaches and players cuz we are moving in the right direction.  That's not the way the season went though.  We won some very close games at the beginning of the year against bad teams that every other team in the league was beating easily.  We haven't won since August.  We're officially out of the play offs with 2 weeks left in the season.  Even 'He who must not be named' had better results.

LaPo going to the Cup that year was an aberration, that team resembled the current team going something like 1-7 in the second half. They were I'll prepared and embarrassed in the Cup game but sadly getting there saved his ass.

 

 

Too focused on wins and losses? You can't be too focused on wins in professional sports. It's what defines the team and the players and the coaches as winners or losers.

It's short sighted and doesn't take into account the starting point, and it's part of the reason why we've had this 25 year drought. Too many people have been fired because the instant results weren't there, or the team took a slight step back. All these knee jerk reactions because people only looked at wins and losses has done more damage to this team than anything.

This.. Omg so much this.. If previous regimes hadn't mortgaged the future so often to try and appease the filthy unwashed masses,.maybe the drought would have ended years ago... But because they got so caught up on wins and losses, draft picks a plenty were traded or burned... QBs crushed without getting ample time to acclimate...

A rebuild will never take a season or two... Especially after the destruction of our core like we have seen over and over again. It HAS happened before, yes... But that's the exception, not the norm..

 

Nope.  Edmonton did it in one season.  Not the exception at all either.

Too focused on wins and losses? You can't be too focused on wins in professional sports. It's what defines the team and the players and the coaches as winners or losers.

It's short sighted and doesn't take into account the starting point, and it's part of the reason why we've had this 25 year drought. Too many people have been fired because the instant results weren't there, or the team took a slight step back. All these knee jerk reactions because people only looked at wins and losses has done more damage to this team than anything.

This.. Omg so much this.. If previous regimes hadn't mortgaged the future so often to try and appease the filthy unwashed masses,.maybe the drought would have ended years ago... But because they got so caught up on wins and losses, draft picks a plenty were traded or burned... QBs crushed without getting ample time to acclimate...

A rebuild will never take a season or two... Especially after the destruction of our core like we have seen over and over again. It HAS happened before, yes... But that's the exception, not the norm..

Nope. Edmonton did it in one season. Not the exception at all either.

Soooo deliberately ignoring what ive typed or just being obtuse?

Edmonton was never as badly off as we were at oline, QB and overall canadian depth.. We signed one of their castoffs to start for crying out loud....

If you wanna argue, at least research what your arguing about..

Two completely different scenarios.. There is a turn around and then there is a rebuild..

 

 

 

 

Too focused on wins and losses? You can't be too focused on wins in professional sports. It's what defines the team and the players and the coaches as winners or losers.

It's short sighted and doesn't take into account the starting point, and it's part of the reason why we've had this 25 year drought. Too many people have been fired because the instant results weren't there, or the team took a slight step back. All these knee jerk reactions because people only looked at wins and losses has done more damage to this team than anything.

This.. Omg so much this.. If previous regimes hadn't mortgaged the future so often to try and appease the filthy unwashed masses,.maybe the drought would have ended years ago... But because they got so caught up on wins and losses, draft picks a plenty were traded or burned... QBs crushed without getting ample time to acclimate...

A rebuild will never take a season or two... Especially after the destruction of our core like we have seen over and over again. It HAS happened before, yes... But that's the exception, not the norm..

That excuse is getting almost as old as the original sin and this draft thing is also getting well worn. How many of the Oline guys do we have left from our first choices? The fans had nothing to do with the choice of Etienne. But I guess it much easier to blame the fans instead of the very poor choice of managers we hired. We didn't trade or burn our choices, we wasted them because we picked the wrong guys. Further we did not pick up vets that could have helped us but choose to go with raw US rookies in previous years or in this year for that matter. How are the fans to blame for that? We let an all star guard go because we wanted to make him a center and he said no. (His words).

However, after the results of this year it will be very hard to blame the fans again. Going into next year with this team will get MOS in a very bad position comes LDC. One thing you must agree with, the fans will not wait another 2 or 3 years to get results and they shouldn't. Hamilton were 6-12 in 2012 and Grey Cup participants the next.

By the way MOS keeps saying he has a very good team, so much for the destruction of the core.

The previous regimes panicked over and over again when the losses piled up and the fanbase got up in arms.. Deny it all you want but why else would they throw away first rounders on bum QBs or go for boom or bust draft picks who were expected to wow from the start?

Frankly, i dont care if you agree with me or not.. Im confident that miller wont sway from his path, nor walters or O'shea.. i believe they understand what needs to be done to finish this process and know just how brutal this teams non imp and imp depth was..

Oh and for the record... That core we have.. Its pretty small. How much of it was carried over from 2-3 seasons ago? Thats not destruction, thats rebuilding..

 

That was not panicking because of the fanbase being up in arms though.  That was an inexperienced GM making a short-sighted decision.  He didn't feel draft picks had much value..not because of the fans, but because that is how he truly felt.  Not sure which boom or bust draft picks you are talking about either?  Etienne?  He was known to be a long term project who would most likely not start for 2 seasons - that's the exact opposite of drafting to appease the fans RIGHT NOW.  Same with Pencer - guy with a lot of raw athletic potential who had a history of injury concerns, but was thought to be a project that would take a couple years to develop into anything.  

 

Mack reached on Etienne when he could have had a solid contributor almost immediately in Coehorne and when he got schooled by Wally for Westerman he reached again with a pick of an injury-prone project who had been out of football for the year.  Not the actions of someone who is supposedly pressured by fans to draft someone that provides immediate results.  They are the actions of an individual who has little or no business being a GM of the Bombers in the first place - someone who had been out of the CFL for 25 years yet for some mysterious reason was recommended by members of the BOD.

 

And therein lies problem - upper management.  They are the ones who keep insisting on hiring inexperienced persons to oversee the management of the team, and in 2 cases (Kelly and Mack), also had an extended absence from the CFL.  These recent hires have been amongst the bottom 2 or 3 at their managerial positions out of all the CFL teams which usually means a bottom 2 or 3 position in the CFL standings.  Guess what?  That's where the Bombers have finished for the most part over the last decade.

 

Walters is the latest inexperienced person to be hired.  A failed special teams coach elevated to temporary GM only to have temporary removed from the title after the club ensured an exhaustive search for gm candidates.  That doesn't mean he will fail of course.  Hervey was somewhat inexperienced in Edmonton prior to be hired as gm (although he spent a few seasons as head scout so he is more qualified than Walters) and he appears to have established a Grey Cup contending team in only his second season.  No reason Walters can't do the same, but the clock is ticking.  If he fails to at least get this team to .500 next season and is fired, that won't be the fault of the fans.  It will be the fault of the BOD and CEO for their uncanny ability to continually hire a bottom-2 or bottom-3 league-wide GM.

 

By the way, how do you figure this team has bad international depth?  If I'm not mistaken, aren't you one of the guys who championed the idea that Mack had established excellent import depth on the team?

 

. One of the main reasons for another failed season (getting tired of this crap) is that we had a green head coach and poor recycled offensive and defensive co-ordinators. The change starts there. Failing to do that will only bring us more of the same.

and do you understand why that was? You know how undesirable a place you are for coaches when the average head coach gets 2 or 3 seasons before being fired and coordinators are lucky to get 1? Which proven coordinators do you suppose would want to come here if we fired the ones we have this year? You guys know that the lack of stability in the coacing and GM ranks is the reason guys like Stubler decided not to come here? 

 

This happens in other cities and yet they have no problem hiring quality coordinators and coaches afterwards.  Ie Toronto, Hamilton, Montreal, Edmonton, Saskatchewan...pretty much the whole league actually.

 

 

 

 

Too focused on wins and losses? You can't be too focused on wins in professional sports. It's what defines the team and the players and the coaches as winners or losers.

It's short sighted and doesn't take into account the starting point, and it's part of the reason why we've had this 25 year drought. Too many people have been fired because the instant results weren't there, or the team took a slight step back. All these knee jerk reactions because people only looked at wins and losses has done more damage to this team than anything.

This.. Omg so much this.. If previous regimes hadn't mortgaged the future so often to try and appease the filthy unwashed masses,.maybe the drought would have ended years ago... But because they got so caught up on wins and losses, draft picks a plenty were traded or burned... QBs crushed without getting ample time to acclimate...

A rebuild will never take a season or two... Especially after the destruction of our core like we have seen over and over again. It HAS happened before, yes... But that's the exception, not the norm..

Nope. Edmonton did it in one season. Not the exception at all either.

Soooo deliberately ignoring what ive typed or just being obtuse?

Edmonton was never as badly off as we were at oline, QB and overall canadian depth.. We signed one of their castoffs to start for crying out loud....

If you wanna argue, at least research what your arguing about..

Two completely different scenarios.. There is a turn around and then there is a rebuild..

 

You're mostly wrong (QB the exception which we hopefully have fixed this year).  

 

Their O-line was every bit as bad as ours last year.  Rielly was absolutely mauled back there.  Only reason he wasn't sacked as much as Willy this year is due to scrambling ability.  

 

Canadian depth similar to ours except our best Canadian was better than their best Canadian.  

 

They also signed a few of our castoffs over the past few years if you had been paying attention.  

 

Hate to break it to you; it's the CFL - 9 teams and 6 of those make the playoffs and the majority of the players come from the same pool (American colleges and castoffs from the NFL) that every team has equal access to.  Teams don't really rebuild like they do in the NFL, NHL, MLB, and NBA where half the teams or less make the playoffs.  Teams reload.  Rebuilding over more than one season is an excuse trotted out by inferior management.  This is what we had with the previous regime.  A 4 - year "rebuild" and we are marginally better depth-wise than 2009.  No need for the same excuses this time around.

 

 

. One of the main reasons for another failed season (getting tired of this crap) is that we had a green head coach and poor recycled offensive and defensive co-ordinators. The change starts there. Failing to do that will only bring us more of the same.

and do you understand why that was? You know how undesirable a place you are for coaches when the average head coach gets 2 or 3 seasons before being fired and coordinators are lucky to get 1? Which proven coordinators do you suppose would want to come here if we fired the ones we have this year? You guys know that the lack of stability in the coacing and GM ranks is the reason guys like Stubler decided not to come here? 

 

This happens in other cities and yet they have no problem hiring quality coordinators and coaches afterwards.  Ie Toronto, Hamilton, Montreal, Edmonton, Saskatchewan...pretty much the whole league actually.

 

Does it? BC has been pretty stable with Wally as GM and his guys taking over after him, Hufnagel has been in Calgary for a long time running things, Popp has been in Montreal forever, Barker in Toronto for a long time... Saskatchewan had some turmoil for a while and it got them into a tricky spot but now it's stable again. The Bombers though? 4 different Gms in the past 7 seasons and 5 head coaches in that same time frame. You wonder why we can't get anyone with a proven track record to come here? It's basically been a guarantee to have your reputation trashed. 

 

 

 

. One of the main reasons for another failed season (getting tired of this crap) is that we had a green head coach and poor recycled offensive and defensive co-ordinators. The change starts there. Failing to do that will only bring us more of the same.

and do you understand why that was? You know how undesirable a place you are for coaches when the average head coach gets 2 or 3 seasons before being fired and coordinators are lucky to get 1? Which proven coordinators do you suppose would want to come here if we fired the ones we have this year? You guys know that the lack of stability in the coacing and GM ranks is the reason guys like Stubler decided not to come here? 

 

This happens in other cities and yet they have no problem hiring quality coordinators and coaches afterwards.  Ie Toronto, Hamilton, Montreal, Edmonton, Saskatchewan...pretty much the whole league actually.

 

Does it? BC has been pretty stable with Wally as GM and his guys taking over after him, Hufnagel has been in Calgary for a long time running things, Popp has been in Montreal forever, Barker in Toronto for a long time... Saskatchewan had some turmoil for a while and it got them into a tricky spot but now it's stable again. The Bombers though? 4 different Gms in the past 7 seasons and 5 head coaches in that same time frame. You wonder why we can't get anyone with a proven track record to come here? It's basically been a guarantee to have your reputation trashed. 

 

Wally and HUfnagel had success right out of the gate as coaches and it never really stopped.  Playoffs every year.  Dominating win-loss records pretty well every year too.  Guys who are successful and have proven to be successful in the past like Wally aren't going to be fired.

 

Toronto hired that highly touted coach from the US in 2009, Bart Andrus, and when he didn't work out after one season, they canned him and hired Jim Barker. When Jim Barker had a poor second season as coach he concentrated on Gm duties and hired Milanovich and the Argos won the Grey Cup in 2012.  3 coaches in 4 seasons.  From 6-12 and out of the playoffs one year to Grey Cup victory the following year.

 

Jim Popp struggles as head coach in 2007 and the Als finish 8-10 and lose in the Eastern Semi-Finals. This is one year after taking over for Don Matthews.  He hires a highly touted NFL coach/coordinator in Marc Trestman who leads the team to an 11-7 record and the Grey Cup game.  Follows that up with 15-3 and 12-6 records and two Grey Cups.  Again 3 coaches in 4 years.

 

Hamilton goes through coaches like no other team, yet they have no problem hiring the hottest candidate available.  Fire Bellefeuille after three seasons in the playoffs, including a playoff victory in his final season, and move on to Cortez.  Team goes 6-12 so the team fires him and hires Austin who happens to be the hottest commodity in the 2012 off-season. Team finishes 10-8 and goes to the Grey Cup for the first time in 14 years.

 

Saskatchewan fired Marshall when it was clear things weren't working after 6 games.  Miller took over to finish the season and they hired a coach, Chamblin, who had six years experience in other positions prior to.  Marshall getting fired after a few games didn't scare off this candidate.  And he won the Grey Cup 2 seasons after the team won 5 games.

 

Bombers shouldn't be afraid to fire coaches if it becomes clear he isn't working out...even after 1.5 - 2 years.  And as presented above, it won't prevent an organization from hiring highly sought after coaches provided the organization is willing to pay the price.

 

 

 

Too focused on wins and losses? You can't be too focused on wins in professional sports. It's what defines the team and the players and the coaches as winners or losers.

It's short sighted and doesn't take into account the starting point, and it's part of the reason why we've had this 25 year drought. Too many people have been fired because the instant results weren't there, or the team took a slight step back. All these knee jerk reactions because people only looked at wins and losses has done more damage to this team than anything.

This.. Omg so much this.. If previous regimes hadn't mortgaged the future so often to try and appease the filthy unwashed masses,.maybe the drought would have ended years ago... But because they got so caught up on wins and losses, draft picks a plenty were traded or burned... QBs crushed without getting ample time to acclimate...

A rebuild will never take a season or two... Especially after the destruction of our core like we have seen over and over again. It HAS happened before, yes... But that's the exception, not the norm..

 

Nope.  Edmonton did it in one season.  Not the exception at all either.

 

Edmonton didn't do it in one season. If you recall before last season, they too blow up their team, got a rookie QB and sucked monkey bones last year. ALL they did last year was get rid of their coach but didn't touch the team itself. Therefore, it didn't take them one year to turn around, it took them two years. First year sucked and 2nd last place. During off season, they filled the holes and this year turn around. Let's give the Bombers at least 2 years as well before we call for heads. We had a lot of Canadian depth go down in the beginning of our season. Our problem isn't coaching here, it's OL, and defence. Let's see what Walters does in the off season to fix this and see how next year goes then.  

 

 

 

. One of the main reasons for another failed season (getting tired of this crap) is that we had a green head coach and poor recycled offensive and defensive co-ordinators. The change starts there. Failing to do that will only bring us more of the same.

and do you understand why that was? You know how undesirable a place you are for coaches when the average head coach gets 2 or 3 seasons before being fired and coordinators are lucky to get 1? Which proven coordinators do you suppose would want to come here if we fired the ones we have this year? You guys know that the lack of stability in the coacing and GM ranks is the reason guys like Stubler decided not to come here? 

 

This happens in other cities and yet they have no problem hiring quality coordinators and coaches afterwards.  Ie Toronto, Hamilton, Montreal, Edmonton, Saskatchewan...pretty much the whole league actually.

 

Does it? BC has been pretty stable with Wally as GM and his guys taking over after him, Hufnagel has been in Calgary for a long time running things, Popp has been in Montreal forever, Barker in Toronto for a long time... Saskatchewan had some turmoil for a while and it got them into a tricky spot but now it's stable again. The Bombers though? 4 different Gms in the past 7 seasons and 5 head coaches in that same time frame. You wonder why we can't get anyone with a proven track record to come here? It's basically been a guarantee to have your reputation trashed. 

 

Are we to assume the people we fired have done well in other cities after being fired here?

 

 

 

 

. One of the main reasons for another failed season (getting tired of this crap) is that we had a green head coach and poor recycled offensive and defensive co-ordinators. The change starts there. Failing to do that will only bring us more of the same.

and do you understand why that was? You know how undesirable a place you are for coaches when the average head coach gets 2 or 3 seasons before being fired and coordinators are lucky to get 1? Which proven coordinators do you suppose would want to come here if we fired the ones we have this year? You guys know that the lack of stability in the coacing and GM ranks is the reason guys like Stubler decided not to come here? 

 

This happens in other cities and yet they have no problem hiring quality coordinators and coaches afterwards.  Ie Toronto, Hamilton, Montreal, Edmonton, Saskatchewan...pretty much the whole league actually.

 

Does it? BC has been pretty stable with Wally as GM and his guys taking over after him, Hufnagel has been in Calgary for a long time running things, Popp has been in Montreal forever, Barker in Toronto for a long time... Saskatchewan had some turmoil for a while and it got them into a tricky spot but now it's stable again. The Bombers though? 4 different Gms in the past 7 seasons and 5 head coaches in that same time frame. You wonder why we can't get anyone with a proven track record to come here? It's basically been a guarantee to have your reputation trashed. 

 

Are we to assume the people we fired have done well in other cities after being fired here?

 

That's what I'm saying, guys who were considered some of the best assistant coaches in the league came here and now are lucky to get work elsewhere. Winnipeg has a reputation of chewing up coaches and spitting them out and leaving them almost unemployable. That's why we need to stick with these guys again. They were not so bad as to warrant dismissal. When I look at this team I see bigger problems with the roster make up than with coaching. So keep the coaches, get that stability and work on getting better players on the team and see where that takes us. If we get to the point where the roster looks really good and the coaches aren't pulling their weight then we can make changes, but right now the roster has too many holes. 

Winnipeg has a reputation of hiring folks who've never done the job before and those who are on their last chance because no one else wants them.  It's not much of a surprise that they can't get the same jobs elsewhere.

are you saying Mike Kelly isn't going to coach in the CFL again?

 

 

 

 

 

. One of the main reasons for another failed season (getting tired of this crap) is that we had a green head coach and poor recycled offensive and defensive co-ordinators. The change starts there. Failing to do that will only bring us more of the same.

and do you understand why that was? You know how undesirable a place you are for coaches when the average head coach gets 2 or 3 seasons before being fired and coordinators are lucky to get 1? Which proven coordinators do you suppose would want to come here if we fired the ones we have this year? You guys know that the lack of stability in the coacing and GM ranks is the reason guys like Stubler decided not to come here? 

 

This happens in other cities and yet they have no problem hiring quality coordinators and coaches afterwards.  Ie Toronto, Hamilton, Montreal, Edmonton, Saskatchewan...pretty much the whole league actually.

 

Does it? BC has been pretty stable with Wally as GM and his guys taking over after him, Hufnagel has been in Calgary for a long time running things, Popp has been in Montreal forever, Barker in Toronto for a long time... Saskatchewan had some turmoil for a while and it got them into a tricky spot but now it's stable again. The Bombers though? 4 different Gms in the past 7 seasons and 5 head coaches in that same time frame. You wonder why we can't get anyone with a proven track record to come here? It's basically been a guarantee to have your reputation trashed. 

 

Are we to assume the people we fired have done well in other cities after being fired here?

 

That's what I'm saying, guys who were considered some of the best assistant coaches in the league came here and now are lucky to get work elsewhere. Winnipeg has a reputation of chewing up coaches and spitting them out and leaving them almost unemployable. That's why we need to stick with these guys again. They were not so bad as to warrant dismissal. When I look at this team I see bigger problems with the roster make up than with coaching. So keep the coaches, get that stability and work on getting better players on the team and see where that takes us. If we get to the point where the roster looks really good and the coaches aren't pulling their weight then we can make changes, but right now the roster has too many holes. 

 

Just imagine if we started the season 0 - 9 (instead of finishing it that way), rookie HC or not, imo O'Shea would have been canned.