Figured I'd make this thread since I always point out that "advanced" statistics do NOT favor Buck Pierce when comparing him against other quarterbacks. I'll try and update this weekly just to keep it current especially with Hall playing this week to add another comparison.

 

What I looked at mostly was % of two and outs, average offense per drive, points per possession, etc. For the sake of continuity, when I tally this stuff up, I counted a turnover prior to a first down being gained as a two and out but a turnover after a first down had been gained was not.

 

Here's what I came up with:

 

Week 1

Buck Pierce - 19 possessions, 12 two and outs (63%), 3 turnovers, 2 touchdowns

Average points per possession - 0.94

Average yardage per possession - 16.26 yards (longest 73 yards)

 

Week 2

Buck Pierce - 18 possessions, 8 two and outs (44%), 3 turnovers, 2 touchdowns

Average points per possession - 1

Average yardage per possession - 20.1 yards (longest 105 yards)

 

Justin Goltz - 1 possession, 1 two and out, 1 turnover

Average points per possession - 0

Average yardage per possession - 4 (longest 4 yards)

 

Week 3

Buck Pierce - 15 possessions, 6 two and outs (40%), 3 touchdowns

Average points per possession - 1.2

Average yardage per possession - 22.6 (longest 92 yards)

 

One thing I will point out, although the stats are what they are ... All 6 of the two and outs in this game were in the second half, where we had 8 possessions. That's horrible second half efficiency. In fact, aside from a 92 yard drive while Hamilton was playing prevent, our net offense in the second half of this game was -7 yards.

 

Week 4

Buck Pierce - 8 possessions, 5 two and outs (62%), 1 turnover

Average points per possession - 0.75

Average yardage per possession - 20.62 (longest 65 yards)

 

Justin Goltz - 7 possessions, 2 two and outs (28%), 1 turnover

Average points per possession - 1.28

Average yardage per possession - 29 (longest 64 yards)

 

Week 5

Justin Goltz - 13 possessions, 6 two and outs (46%), 1 turnover, 3 touchdowns

Average points per possession - 1.61

Average yardage per possession - 25.23 (longest 80 yards)

 

Week 6

Justin Goltz - 15 possessions, 5 two and outs (33%), 1 turnover, 2 touchdowns

Average points per possession - 1.2

Average yardage per possession - 17.2 (longest 41 yards)

 

Week 8

Max Hall - 14 possessions, 6 two and outs (42%), 3 turnovers, 1 touchdown

Average points per possession - 0.64

Average yardage per possession - 23.92 (longest 103 yards)

 

Buck Pierce - 1 possession, 1 two and out (100%)

Average points per possession - 0

Average yardage per possession - 9 (longest 9 yards)

 

2013 totals to date

Buck Pierce - 61 possessions, 32 two and outs (52.4%), 7 turnovers (11.4%), 7 touchdowns (11.4%)

Average points per possession - 0.98

Average yardage per possession - 19.58 yards

 

Justin Goltz - 36 possessions, 14 two and outs (38.8%), 4 turnovers, (11.1%), 5 touchdowns (13.8%)

Average points per possession - 1.14

Average yardage per possession - 21.91 yards

 

Max Hall - 14 possessions, 6 two and outs (42%), 3 turnovers (21%), 1 touchdown (7%)

Average points per possession - 0.64

Average yardage per possession - 23.92

5/7 came in the one game vs Calgary, which people just can't let go of for some reason. The rest of the time, he protected the ball really well. He showed a hell of a lot more than any QB we've had in a really long time. But again, if the kid is a dope and the coaches don't like him, that's a whole other thing....hopefully he grows up one day.

 

Actually it was 3 vs. Toronto and 4 vs. Calgary.  And if people can bring up the 2 PotW's, then it's just as valid to bring up the 2 games where he was absolutely terrible.

 

Regardless, it's probably a moot point.  I have a hard time seeing Elliott return.  Too many other good QB prospects out there right now.

for **** sakes, even in those games where he turned the ball over, he was still able to put drives together and move the offense. That's something every other qb we've used in the last 4 years has flat out struggled at the best of times to do. Like I said, the guy had some problems that to me seem like they are easier to fix then trying to make guys who can't even move the ball into better players. Hell one of the reasons Burke was so pissed at Elliott was all thos eturnovers against Calgary, has flat out said kick field goals and they win that game, so in that situation why not try and coach those mistakes out and try and get the guy to improve his habits if that's the problem? There was more to work with there than with anyone else. 

 

Too many other good QB prospects out there right now.

 

 

Not disgreeing on Elliot (he's 3rd in BC and not seeing playing time for a reason) but who do you see as good prospects that we have a shot at?

Wally has demonstrated a history in identifying and developing QBs. I am curious why he sees something in Elliott that so many posters and people in Winnipeg do not? He could easily and otherwise have someone else as a developmental QB other than Elliott could he not?

 

 

Too many other good QB prospects out there right now.

 

 

Not disgreeing on Elliot (he's 3rd in BC and not seeing playing time for a reason) but who do you see as good prospects that we have a shot at?

 

 

We could have a realistic shot at Drew Willy and Zach Collaros to name a couple.  Someone might shake loose from Calgary too, if we want to go that direction.  Matt Nichols could also be an interesting option, depending on his health of course.

Wally has demonstrated a history in identifying and developing QBs. I am curious why he sees something in Elliott that so many posters and people in Winnipeg do not? He could easily and otherwise have someone else as a developmental QB other than Elliott could he not?

 

He has a developmental QB, named DeMarco.  And I think it speaks volumes that DeMarco is ahead of the far more experienced Elliott on the depth chart.  Elliott is the emergency veteran QB that smart teams like to employ.  He's proven he can run an offence to some degree, but I'd be surprised if Buono has any kind of long term plans for Elliott.  

I guess that makes Pierce our short term emergency, experienced QB and there is speculation he will start this week? This team is functionally dysfunctional.

I guess that makes Pierce our short term emergency, experienced QB and there is speculation he will start this week? This team is functionally dysfunctional.

 

There's nothing typical about our QB situation.  Everyone is the starter and emergency QB all at once.

 

 

 

Too many other good QB prospects out there right now.

 

 

Not disgreeing on Elliot (he's 3rd in BC and not seeing playing time for a reason) but who do you see as good prospects that we have a shot at?

 

 

We could have a realistic shot at Drew Willy and Zach Collaros to name a couple.  Someone might shake loose from Calgary too, if we want to go that direction.  Matt Nichols could also be an interesting option, depending on his health of course.

 

Like those two. Don't think I want Calgary's. Tate seems to be Buck 2.0 and, while Glen is doing well, he'll take a hit and go back to his old ways soon enough. Have to see more of Nichols once healthy.

There were media reports early on the Elliott was only there to keep the 3rd string seat warm until Hart was "ready", although I'm sure that the expansion draft at the end of this season has something to do with it as well.

 

Elliott is gone people, why can't some let it go ?

There were media reports early on the Elliott was only there to keep the 3rd string seat warm until Hart was "ready", although I'm sure that the expansion draft at the end of this season has something to do with it as well.

 

Elliott is gone people, why can't some let it go ?

because no one has been able to make us forget about him. You release a qb you better have someone better to take his place, that was not the case here. 

 

There were media reports early on the Elliott was only there to keep the 3rd string seat warm until Hart was "ready", although I'm sure that the expansion draft at the end of this season has something to do with it as well.

 

Elliott is gone people, why can't some let it go ?

because no one has been able to make us forget about him. You release a qb you better have someone better to take his place, that was not the case here. 

 

 

You do realize that was Macks MO at every position, why would QB be any different?

I'd say the releases you're talking about were myth-handled.