Floyd Posted January 25, 2017 Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 5 minutes ago, Ducky said: Lots of players we COULD move into that spot...just none that deserve it. Not sure what you think depth is...? Jets have two #1/2 centres - Scheif, Little, two more #2/3 - MP, Lowry and then two more #3/4 with potential - Copp, Petan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted January 25, 2017 Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 What do you mean none that deserve it? Since when does deserving something matter? Does Drew Stafford deserve to be on the PP or Adam Lowry? Does Mark Stuart deserve to be on the PK or Thorburn? It's not about deserving, it's about giving a kid a chance to show what he can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted January 25, 2017 Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 47 minutes ago, Ducky said: off-topic........Burmi has 5 points in 5 games with AZ. So in other words Burmi is a .... Floyd and FrostyWinnipeg 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BomberBall Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 Looks like Toby is fine and will play tonight, so we can all take a step back from the ledge... No Strait jacket required. Ducky 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostyWinnipeg Posted January 26, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 (edited) Helle to start... ...for the first 3 goals Edited January 26, 2017 by FrostyWinnipeg Goalie and Ducky 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floyd Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 Looks like Maurice has swapped Scheif and Little... whats up with that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atomic Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 2 minutes ago, Floyd said: Looks like Maurice has swapped Scheif and Little... whats up with that I think he did that during the last game. Probably just trying to switch things up. Likely wants to spread out our best defensive forwards (Little and Wheeler). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 I like Wheeler but his D play is not good at all, he's not good in the D zone, Little is but Wheeler? Certainly not one of our better D forwards.. I think it's as simple as Copp Scheif Wheeler looked good last game and Laine and Ehlers, well you can't break them up so put them with Little, Both those lines looked good last game, I have no issue with those line combos at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 (edited) I was just browsing the stats and The Jets have 4 guys in the top 30 points wise (Scheif tied for 8th, Ehlers, Laine and Wheeler). Buff is on the list also, but not in the top 30 and is the 5th best point producing D man behind Burns, Karlsson,Hedman and Shattenkirk (1 more point than Buff). Helle has the exact same save percentage as Henrik Lundqvist, 907 which is below league average for sure but... 5 guys in the top 40 scoring and a goalie with the almost exact same GAA and exactly the same save percentage as a pretty damn good goalie and we are this bad? It's actually somewhat mind boggling... PP and PK really killing us it seems. D zone play also. Man, the Metro ran a nice article today about Maurice tho didn't it? anyone see it? Edited January 26, 2017 by Goalie The Unknown Poster 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 6 minutes ago, Goalie said: I was just browsing the stats and The Jets have 4 guys in the top 30 points wise (Scheif tied for 8th, Ehlers, Laine and Wheeler). Buff is on the list also, but not in the top 30 and is the 5th best point producing D man behind Burns, Karlsson,Hedman and Shattenkirk (1 more point than Buff). Helle has the exact same save percentage as Henrik Lundqvist, 907 which is below league average for sure but... 5 guys in the top 40 scoring and a goalie with the almost exact same GAA and exactly the same save percentage as a pretty damn good goalie and we are this bad? It's actually somewhat mind boggling... PP and PK really killing us it seems. D zone play also. Man, the Metro ran a nice article today about Maurice tho didn't it? anyone see it? Please summarize Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floyd Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 14 minutes ago, Goalie said: I was just browsing the stats and The Jets have 4 guys in the top 30 points wise (Scheif tied for 8th, Ehlers, Laine and Wheeler). Buff is on the list also, but not in the top 30 and is the 5th best point producing D man behind Burns, Karlsson,Hedman and Shattenkirk (1 more point than Buff). Helle has the exact same save percentage as Henrik Lundqvist, 907 which is below league average for sure but... 5 guys in the top 40 scoring and a goalie with the almost exact same GAA and exactly the same save percentage as a pretty damn good goalie and we are this bad? Annti Raanta = 10 wins, 4 losses, .923 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCon Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 8 minutes ago, Floyd said: Annti Raanta = 10 wins, 4 losses, .923 I wonder how he'll do in Vegas.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atomic Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 37 minutes ago, Goalie said: I like Wheeler but his D play is not good at all, he's not good in the D zone, Little is but Wheeler? Certainly not one of our better D forwards.. D zone? Wouldn't you say the best form of defense is keeping it out of the D zone to begin with? Something Wheeler has been our best at for, oh, 4 years now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 34 minutes ago, Goalie said: I was just browsing the stats and The Jets have 4 guys in the top 30 points wise (Scheif tied for 8th, Ehlers, Laine and Wheeler). Buff is on the list also, but not in the top 30 and is the 5th best point producing D man behind Burns, Karlsson,Hedman and Shattenkirk (1 more point than Buff). Helle has the exact same save percentage as Henrik Lundqvist, 907 which is below league average for sure but... 5 guys in the top 40 scoring and a goalie with the almost exact same GAA and exactly the same save percentage as a pretty damn good goalie and we are this bad? It's actually somewhat mind boggling... PP and PK really killing us it seems. D zone play also. Man, the Metro ran a nice article today about Maurice tho didn't it? anyone see it? You are comparing him to a goalie that is having the worst year of his career. He still has five more wins than Helle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atomic Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 35 minutes ago, Goalie said: I was just browsing the stats and The Jets have 4 guys in the top 30 points wise (Scheif tied for 8th, Ehlers, Laine and Wheeler). Buff is on the list also, but not in the top 30 and is the 5th best point producing D man behind Burns, Karlsson,Hedman and Shattenkirk (1 more point than Buff). Helle has the exact same save percentage as Henrik Lundqvist, 907 which is below league average for sure but... 5 guys in the top 40 scoring and a goalie with the almost exact same GAA and exactly the same save percentage as a pretty damn good goalie and we are this bad? It's actually somewhat mind boggling... PP and PK really killing us it seems. D zone play also. Man, the Metro ran a nice article today about Maurice tho didn't it? anyone see it? Having a god-awful PK and taking the most, or close to the most, penalties in the league is basically the whole reason this team struggles every year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floyd Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 15 minutes ago, Atomic said: D zone? Wouldn't you say the best form of defense is keeping it out of the D zone to begin with? Something Wheeler has been our best at for, oh, 4 years now. Fancy stats would say that Wheeler is our best defensive forward... best all-around forward... leading our Corsi even strength, leading Corsi shorthanded, E+/- is by far the best on Jets... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 19 minutes ago, Floyd said: Fancy stats would say that Wheeler is our best defensive forward... best all-around forward... leading our Corsi even strength, leading Corsi shorthanded, E+/- is by far the best on Jets... More reason not to trust them....as Goalie stated, he is poor defensively in the D zone...Scheif is better. To be honest I don't care, he isn't Drew Stafford poor and he puts up points and busts his ass every shift of every game. I think Maurice like Little and Laine together and let's not forget, they said they would be trying different forwards with different centers before the season started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 Wins is a team stat. FrostyWinnipeg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 Well he's played 5 nore games and all are wins and you are still comparing him to a goalie that is having the worst year of his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floyd Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 1 hour ago, Ducky said: More reason not to trust them....as Goalie stated, he is poor defensively in the D zone...Scheif is better. I really wonder if you actually watch the games. Scheif is not a great defensive forward... he's getting better but not in Wheeler and Little's league. But sure, fancy stats mean nothing - quick someone call the NHL and tell them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atomic Posted January 27, 2017 Report Share Posted January 27, 2017 Set aside the ridiculous "fancy stats" moniker and realize that all we're really saying in this thread is that the team generates more offence than we give up when Wheeler is on the ice. More than any other player. Although I'm sure you guys are super awesome at judging good D zone play (that was sarcasm), you can't deny the FACT that Wheeler is our best forward when it comes to generating offence for and limiting offence against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted January 27, 2017 Report Share Posted January 27, 2017 I won't say he is lost in the D zone but he is by far our best forward in the D zone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted January 27, 2017 Report Share Posted January 27, 2017 31 minutes ago, Floyd said: I really wonder if you actually watch the games. Scheif is not a great defensive forward... he's getting better but not in Wheeler and Little's league. But sure, fancy stats mean nothing - quick someone call the NHL and tell them who said fancy stats mean nothing? lying or changing facts does not help your debating skills or lack thereof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floyd Posted January 27, 2017 Report Share Posted January 27, 2017 5 minutes ago, Atomic said: Set aside the ridiculous "fancy stats" moniker and realize that all we're really saying in this thread is that the team generates more offence than we give up when Wheeler is on the ice. More than any other player. Although I'm sure you guys are super awesome at judging good D zone play (that was sarcasm), you can't deny the FACT that Wheeler is our best forward when it comes to generating offence for and limiting offence against. Technically, your the only one saying that and I agree with you. But you generate that shot differential by backchecking and busting your ass. Little, Wheeler and Armia are the best defensive forwards on this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted January 27, 2017 Report Share Posted January 27, 2017 what do the fancy stats say about Armia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now