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No chance. I think some moves may happen, but not those guys. Bogo for Eberle! lol

That was certainly not a starter performance, expected though, he's young yet. Enough of the starter talk please.

As long as he catches it, right? Not fair for you to comment on that though as I can't watch it,,,,,, most Jet games are blacked out here in Kelowna…in Kelowna for H sakes! Oh well, back to the Chicago-Anaheim game for me. This works for whatever I want to watch. Hope it works for you: http://livetv.sx/en/

When Pavs sits in favour of Hutch there will be controversy. I'm not talking giving Hutch ice-time, he has to outplay Pavs. I'm all on favour of Hutch getting games, but he has to earn them.

To who, for whom? To whomever will pay the highest price. Philly and Boston have both been linked to him and both have interesting players. I'd see if a bidding war develops around the deadline though that can be a hard time for teams to part with their own players. At the latest, I'd do it at the draft where teams are more likely to part with assets. I think we have a few pieces we could throw in to sweeten the deal too, such as Burmi. Name names. Who would we get to compensate for the loss of Buff?

To who, for whom?

Not improving? Jesus. Excellent analysis. have the Jets improved on their status as a middling ranked team the last four years? Before you answer, re-read the question. Let's see: much better defensively. goaltending has improved, pk one of the best in the league. The team doesn't quit. I'm not sure what games you're watching, but this is a much better team than last year. 20 odd games in, and you're in panic mode?

Competition is a good thing. However Pavelec is going to have to have a huge bed-crap if he's going to lose his starter position.

Your post makes no sense. How do you get 7 good NI starters if you don't take the best player available (with consideration to availability around the NFL factored in)? Having a bunch of OL who might be ready to play in 2-3 years won't help us. Gotta draft and develop those mid-round guys into being players. How many 1st round picks on Calgary's OL or Saskatchewan's? We desperately need players who can play now regardless of position. Draft 1 OL with the first overall and pencil him in as a 2nd year starter. Draft 1 OL later in the draft and HOPE he will eventually turn into something down the line. Use the mid-rounds to bolster the rest of the NI roster. Gotta use your top picks to upgrade where you need to and for the Bombers, that's O lineman. Ho hum.

Well that doesn't seem to be the norm, rather the exception. Not morons, thieves.

Not improving? Jesus.

Cheapshot, dirty talentless group of wankers. 2nd period 3-1 looks good on ya. Oh yeah did I mention the refs forgot their clown shoes? Lacklustre end, total defensive zone gong show in the third. Hope Perrault is ok. Like Westwood tweeted, better get outta town, in a hurry. Like bandits.

Great, first game this year and it looks like he's playing the game of his life.

Horrible giveaway by Engstrom. Atypical of his play....then a stupid penalty for the Detroit goal.

Tight game as expected 0-0 after the first. Is it just me or where there a lot of missed calls on the Wings? Interference on Wheeler, a too many men, not the one that was called and a cross-check on Ladd in front of their net? Oh well... probably wouldn't make a difference given the state of our PP. LOL!

No change to the PP so it could get ugly, they have the top PK in the league I think. Pavs better be on his game their PP is also up in the league. New guy in net though, could be good for us.

I wonder if Lapo would like to get back into the 10 hr daily grind of coaching in B.C or stay here with his wife and kids, and make the weekly trek to the center of the universe to do his TSN gig? Time will tell I suppose...

This will be a good test, 2 very similar style teams. Their stats apparently crush us, so lets see how that works out. GO JETS!

Not at all. Team was awful. Stupid coaching decision to go with Pavs in back to back. I'm nkt even saying it was his fault but that first goal he was out of position. And he looked rattled after the wheeler deflection.Guys like Kane took control of this game. No points for Maurice on this one. Do you actually watch any games? First goal could have beat anyone. Last 2 would have beat everyone. But you're right, Maurice has done nothing to elevate this teams compete level from last year. You mad bro? Lol. Where did I say Maurice had not elevated the team. In another thread I said just that. If you want to debate at least stock to facts. One of pavs issues over be years has been taking himself out of position. So yes that first goal would have beat anyone if everyone else also bit on the fake and took themselves out of position. Had he stayed in his net and stayed in position he limits the shooters chances. Mad? No. Annoyed by your BS? Yes. Read what you wrote "team was awful, coach is an idiot." Next time I'll mark the sarcasm for you. Now go look at the goal again and point out where Pavs was out of position. He faced the puck carrier and tracked the pass to the right sliding into position. He got out-waited and beat by a slick play. It wasn't a bad goal or a positional error. Go look at the Leafs Preds game for some bad goal examples. And if you're not saying it was Pavs fault, why the hell are you bringing it up? BS? lol Okay. Sorry but you dont get to be right just because you yell the loudest. The player took Pavs out of position. Out of position would be laying there on the ice, away from the net where the player was able to simply toss it in for a goal. Had he remained up right, tight to the post, he takes away any opportunity for the player. There were two defenders there (that I recall) so the player's deke options were limited. He scored because he had a wide open net to shoot at. Look, I love the Jets too but dont let your homer mentality over-look the errors. Also, show me where I said Maurice was an idiot? Never said it. Here's some free advice: if you want to debate, especially if you want to win that debate, dont just make things up. You automatically lose that way. I said it was a stupid coaching decision to start Pavs. Perhaps "stupid" was too strong a word. it was a coaching "error" to start Pavs. Not because he sucks but for two reasons: 1) Pavs' stats on back to back starts, 2) league-wide goalie stats on back to back nights. Maurice admitted his plan was to start Hutch the next game anyway. Why not reverse those two starts and play the statistical odds? I get why he did and to be honest, I was on the fence about it. I think it was this thread where, prior to the game, I said play the odds, start Hutch, even though my "heart" was in on the idea of letting Pavs stare down one of his demons. You could also criticise the coach on the faceoff that lead to the winning goal as he didnt have a centre on the ice for a defensive zone faceoff. I actually didnt see OT as my PVR cut out, but I know the guys on 1290 were talking about as a coaching error. Kane & Wheeler have both taken and won faceoffs this year, but again, in that situation probably best to go with the high percentage rather than your gut. Having said all that, I understand your position. Im a huge Pavs fan. Ive taken heat everywhere for defending him and saying how stupid it would have been to buy him out last season. But he's not infallable. I'm not going to get into a battle of semantics with you, but by calling Maurice stupid, you implied he was an idiot.I just paraphrased what I perceived your meaning to be. And you're right maybe stupid was a bad choice of words. So I'll just leave that one alone. I agree the face-off wasn't the best choice Maurice said as much afterwards. I still think you should watch the goal again, he looked fine positionally from before the puck was passed to a wide open winger at the side of the net. That may have had more to do with the goal than the slick deke to put it in. I don't think Pavs is infallible, AAMOF I'd have been the first one calling for his head if he'd shown up in the same condition as last year and had been playing as badly. I hope he continues to improve his play, he can be lights out when he's on and we do need good goaltending given the dearth of scoring we're experiencing right now.

Not at all. Team was awful. Stupid coaching decision to go with Pavs in back to back. I'm nkt even saying it was his fault but that first goal he was out of position. And he looked rattled after the wheeler deflection.Guys like Kane took control of this game. No points for Maurice on this one. Do you actually watch any games? First goal could have beat anyone. Last 2 would have beat everyone. But you're right, Maurice has done nothing to elevate this teams compete level from last year. You mad bro? Lol. Where did I say Maurice had not elevated the team. In another thread I said just that. If you want to debate at least stock to facts. One of pavs issues over be years has been taking himself out of position. So yes that first goal would have beat anyone if everyone else also bit on the fake and took themselves out of position. Had he stayed in his net and stayed in position he limits the shooters chances. Mad? No. Annoyed by your BS? Yes. Read what you wrote "team was awful, coach is an idiot." Next time I'll mark the sarcasm for you. Now go look at the goal again and point out where Pavs was out of position. He faced the puck carrier and tracked the pass to the right sliding into position. He got out-waited and beat by a slick play. It wasn't a bad goal or a positional error. Go look at the Leafs Preds game for some bad goal examples. And if you're not saying it was Pavs fault, why the hell are you bringing it up? BS? lol Okay. Sorry but you dont get to be right just because you yell the loudest. The player took Pavs out of position. Out of position would be laying there on the ice, away from the net where the player was able to simply toss it in for a goal. Had he remained up right, tight to the post, he takes away any opportunity for the player. There were two defenders there (that I recall) so the player's deke options were limited. He scored because he had a wide open net to shoot at. Look, I love the Jets too but dont let your homer mentality over-look the errors. Also, show me where I said Maurice was an idiot? Never said it. Here's some free advice: if you want to debate, especially if you want to win that debate, dont just make things up. You automatically lose that way. I said it was a stupid coaching decision to start Pavs. Perhaps "stupid" was too strong a word. it was a coaching "error" to start Pavs. Not because he sucks but for two reasons: 1) Pavs' stats on back to back starts, 2) league-wide goalie stats on back to back nights. Maurice admitted his plan was to start Hutch the next game anyway. Why not reverse those two starts and play the statistical odds? I get why he did and to be honest, I was on the fence about it. I think it was this thread where, prior to the game, I said play the odds, start Hutch, even though my "heart" was in on the idea of letting Pavs stare down one of his demons. You could also criticise the coach on the faceoff that lead to the winning goal as he didnt have a centre on the ice for a defensive zone faceoff. I actually didnt see OT as my PVR cut out, but I know the guys on 1290 were talking about as a coaching error. Kane & Wheeler have both taken and won faceoffs this year, but again, in that situation probably best to go with the high percentage rather than your gut. Having said all that, I understand your position. Im a huge Pavs fan. Ive taken heat everywhere for defending him and saying how stupid it would have been to buy him out last season. But he's not infallable. I'm not going to get into a battle of semantics with you, but by calling Maurice stupid, you implied he was an idiot.I just paraphrased what I perceived your meaning to be. And you're right maybe stupid was a bad choice of words. So I'll just leave that one alone. I agree the face-off wasn't the best choice Maurice said as much afterwards. I still think you should watch the goal again, he looked fine positionally from before the puck was passed to a wide open winger at the side of the net. That may have had more to do with the goal than the slick deke to put it in.

So if a fan isn't a hockey expert they aren't allowed rocks their opinion? Then why are you?Team didn't give up. That implies they were trying to begin with. They looked tired and lethargic. I wonder if their terrible back to back record messed with them. It seemed to mess with Pavs. That was a dumb coaching decision. At this point is start Huch next game too. Give Pavs a rest. First of all , you don't sound like a fan, at least not a knowledgeable one. You talk a lot of crap. "They looked tired and lethargic" perhaps if you payed attention to their schedule, you'd realize ANY team would have been tired and lethargic after that schedule. A 4:00 afternoon game on back to back? Well that's brilliant. BTW Number One goalies play back-to-back games, it's expected of them and they need to get used to doing it. Saying it's a stupid coaching decision clearly shows you haven't a clue, just an uninformed opinion. You should stick to posting BS trade rumours, seems closer to your level of expertise. So you agree with me that they looked tired and lethargic. Excellent. So what's your problem? Secondly the overall record of nhl goalies playing back to backs isn't good so it's not a Pavs thing. Think about it. No, I don't agree, that's why I put YOUR comments in quotes. Any reasonable person would realize a certain amount of fatigue might set in after such a gruelling road trip and the quick start to the next day game. . That same reasonable person might credit the players for sticking with the plan, mounting a comeback and getting a point. They might also credit the coach for putting the system in place that allowed that level of play when faced with such adversity. NHL goalies back to back records not withstanding, are irrelevant to the fact that No. 1 goalies play back to back games. You might want to try and figure out why that is, almost every team does it, so there must be a reason. Exactly. I said the team looked tired and lethargic and you said its reasonable that they would be so. So we agree,. Thank you. Certainly they deserve credit for the comeback. But crediting a team for coming back from a 3 goal deficit also means they likely deserve to be criticised for being in that 3 goal deficit to begin with. They dug themselves a hole and then they fought out of it. Maurice called it an important game in showing their character.. Maybe I expect more after how they've played this season but certainly in years past they would have folded like a cheap suit. So they team is improving in that regard, no doubt. As for your last point, it's ridiculous. The league wide stats of goalies playing back to back games is not irrelevant. What is irrelevant to the point regarding the decision to start Pavs is your point that some starting goalies *do* play back to back games. The most relevant data is the macro stats showing reduced effectiveness league wide and the micro stats showing Pavs in particular has reduced stats on back to backs. Further, I did some research for you. in an article linked on NHL.com, it was revealed that "goalies playing on a second consecutive night have a save percentage much lower than goalies who have at least one off day between games." Goalies with no rest have an average .892 save percentage while goalies who rested have a .912 average save percentage. Elite goalies status didnt seem to make a difference. Most interesting is this quote: "Rested goalies playing behind a tired team had the exact same .912 save percentage as found overall for rested goalies -- which presumably means that rested goalies behind a rested team were also at .912, and that the team's rest has no impact on the goalie's save percentage. The entire 0.020 difference would then be due to goalie fatigue." Then there is this: "To put that 0.020 difference in perspective: Tim Thomas' career save percentage is .921; Michael Leighton's is .901. This difference is enormous, and would basically mean that no goalie should ever start back-to-back games." Smaller sample size than required to really confirm the data but interesting nonetheless. I believe the Jets have the fewest number of back to back games this season than any other team and therefore, to me, it wasnt that important to try and prove a point about Pavs' play. Play the odds, start Hutch, get the win, move on. If the time came for the Jets to be in the playoffs and had back to back, then the story of Pavs is only slightly more interesting than the league-wide story of goalies starting back to back. Unfortunately, after this game, Pavs and the Jets are absolutely linked with the idea that their starting goalie cannot play back to backs (even though the loss was not his fault). Its a potential psychological sticking point down the road and I dont think it was worth it. If you disagree, thats cool. Like I said, I was on the fence so I see the merit in starting him. Hindsight is 20-20. If you think its irrelevant now, feel free to refute the stats given (and remember, they arent *my* stats. I'm not going to refute the stats, they're more than likely correct. What I think s seems to make them irrelevant is coaches continuing decisions to start goalies in back to back games regardless of their access to said stats. I think this is usually the case when riding a hot goalie for playoffs. Maurice playing Pav back to back might have simply been preparing him for that eventuality, to get him mentally and physically prepared. I don't KNOW that that was the case, but it makes sense to me. And I don't think "the Jets are absolutely linked with the idea that their starting goalie cannot play back to backs". Maurice said he pulled Pavs because of the types of shots he was getting - bad bounces caroms of skates etc. I'm pretty sure it was a confidence thing for Pavs more than anything, and I think we will see him in a back to back situation if he's "hot" and we need a playoff point.

Haha Gary Lawless is a *****. That aside, do you agree with him or not? Etch was running the defense and it was not by any stretch a piece of art. It just could be Miller and Walters will make the decision for him. Here's hoping you're right on that...

Yeah, in a lot of ways it would have been better if that sucker punch to Rich would have killed him as his quality of life isn't very good now. Hate saying that... You should hate saying that... Rich was sucker punched from behind in a bar. The guy who did it ran out of the bar but was apprehended. Rich fell & his head hit the floor hard & he suffered a severely fractured skull. Along with a fractured skull he suffered severe brain damage. He is in a special care facility now. He can't feed himself. He needs assistance going to the bathroom. He has limited communication skills. Rich was a prolific CFL poster, a huge Lions fan since 1954 & was a stockbroker in Vancouver. I feel so bad for the guy now & what he & his family are going thru. The life he knew is over. The prognosis is that he'll never recover or get any better. Yeah, it sounds cruel but what he's going thru now, is just so tragic. I didn't say I wanted him to die. I just said that in a lot of ways it would be better. One of my best childhood friends is in The Halvar Jonson Centre for Brain Injury because of a very similar incident. He doesn't even know who anyone is and forgets what happened minutes after it happens. Constant care, he'll never get better or be who he was. Heartbreaking.

So if a fan isn't a hockey expert they aren't allowed rocks their opinion? Then why are you?Team didn't give up. That implies they were trying to begin with. They looked tired and lethargic. I wonder if their terrible back to back record messed with them. It seemed to mess with Pavs. That was a dumb coaching decision. At this point is start Huch next game too. Give Pavs a rest. First of all , you don't sound like a fan, at least not a knowledgeable one. You talk a lot of crap. "They looked tired and lethargic" perhaps if you payed attention to their schedule, you'd realize ANY team would have been tired and lethargic after that schedule. A 4:00 afternoon game on back to back? Well that's brilliant. BTW Number One goalies play back-to-back games, it's expected of them and they need to get used to doing it. Saying it's a stupid coaching decision clearly shows you haven't a clue, just an uninformed opinion. You should stick to posting BS trade rumours, seems closer to your level of expertise. So you agree with me that they looked tired and lethargic. Excellent. So what's your problem? Secondly the overall record of nhl goalies playing back to backs isn't good so it's not a Pavs thing. Think about it. No, I don't agree, that's why I put YOUR comments in quotes. Any reasonable person would realize a certain amount of fatigue might set in after such a gruelling road trip and the quick start to the next day game. . That same reasonable person might credit the players for sticking with the plan, mounting a comeback and getting a point. They might also credit the coach for putting the system in place that allowed that level of play when faced with such adversity. NHL goalies back to back records not withstanding, are irrelevant to the fact that No. 1 goalies play back to back games. You might want to try and figure out why that is, almost every team does it, so there must be a reason.

Not at all. Team was awful. Stupid coaching decision to go with Pavs in back to back. I'm nkt even saying it was his fault but that first goal he was out of position. And he looked rattled after the wheeler deflection.Guys like Kane took control of this game. No points for Maurice on this one. Do you actually watch any games? First goal could have beat anyone. Last 2 would have beat everyone. But you're right, Maurice has done nothing to elevate this teams compete level from last year. You mad bro? Lol. Where did I say Maurice had not elevated the team. In another thread I said just that. If you want to debate at least stock to facts. One of pavs issues over be years has been taking himself out of position. So yes that first goal would have beat anyone if everyone else also bit on the fake and took themselves out of position. Had he stayed in his net and stayed in position he limits the shooters chances. Mad? No. Annoyed by your BS? Yes. Read what you wrote "team was awful, coach is an idiot." Next time I'll mark the sarcasm for you. Now go look at the goal again and point out where Pavs was out of position. He faced the puck carrier and tracked the pass to the right sliding into position. He got out-waited and beat by a slick play. It wasn't a bad goal or a positional error. Go look at the Leafs Preds game for some bad goal examples. And if you're not saying it was Pavs fault, why the hell are you bringing it up?