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In the last minute of the Montreal game, the Blue Bombers scored a touchdown and missed the 2 pt convert.
On the subsequent kick off, Lumbala takes a knee and then gets up and returns for 16 yards.
I know kneeling by the QB is the end of the play, and kneeling in the endzone would immediately give up a safety or rouge. To me, kneeling on the kickoff in play should result in a dead ball (as per Rule 1 Section 4 of the rule book):
"• When a ball carrier is on the ground and, in the judgment of the official, is not
attempting to advance the ball, the official shall immediately declare the ball dead."
Now, the reason I bring this up is our actions on the 2nd to last play of the game. With 6 seconds left, Troy Smith throws a pass to Brandon Whitaker for 7 yards to the Wpg54. Shouldn't the Bombers have let Whitaker lie on the ground for an additional second or two to run out the clock, rather than tackle the defenseless player immediately?
IMO, if Lumbala kneeling does not trigger a whistle on the kick off, the same rules should apply to Whitaker and the whistle shouldn't blow until he's touched.
I thought that as soon as a knee is down, the play is called dead. Much like you see when control tower is checking to see whether a knee was down prior to a fumble.
As I missed that particularly play did his knee actually touch the turf because if it wasn't, it's a legit play, no?
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Yes they did. I guess what should say is the quick game needs to function better.
I watched parts of the game again today...on several plays quick passes to the flats when the Als brought the house would've gained good yardage. There was literally no one out there.
We didn't make them pay for the blitz often enough - until we do teams will be pinning their ears back.
Exactly, 'enough' being the key word.
Just out of curiousity, how many screens/draws did we attempt, anyone know?
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A bit surprising. Not crazy surprising, but a bit.
The only surprise is that he was actually brought back this year. He doesn't really do anything well enough to justify being anything more than a backup and we seem to have guys who can do that job better.
No not suprising. He had a decent year last year considering our woeful record.
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Not even travelling. I'm assuming playing last week made his heel contusion worse.
I'd put this as one of the most frustrating types of injury for a football player.
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Looking at the depth chart I see a very good defense that can get after the QB and a pretty good offence that still needs a QB and an OC to run it. This will be our biggest test of the year so far. Toronto took us for granted and weren't ready to play. Ottawa was an expansion club playing in their first game ever. Montreal isn't what they used to be, but they still have game and they won't take us for granted.
I'm looking forward to a hard hitting game that's won and lost in the trenches. Not sure Montreal can beat us with their offence, but I'm pretty sure they can with their defence. Just a few more hours till I warm up the TV, put on the Jersey, and pour the wobbly pops. For the first time in years, I'm optimistic.
I think you might be writing Dinwiddie off a bit early, I thought he called a pretty good game for Smith in the game against BC. Played to his strengths and got just enough out of him to get the win along with the defense stepping up. Not much more a guy can do when you're handicapped by a passer that inaccurate.
Dinwiddie has a lot of experience with this aspect of the game.
You would think, and this is only a guess, that Dinwiddie is a better coach than he was a player. You would think.
Weird though that my wife, who never wants to watch football, wants to watch tonight when I told her Dinwifddie was with Montreal now. Weird.
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Mike O'Shea points out an unsung hero from the Argo game - Nick Moore.
"O'Shea said he singled out receiver Nick Moore to the players for understanding his role in the game. Asked to block more in the game plan against the Argos, Moore didn't get the touches many expected (two catches for 32 yards), but was critical in helping get others open and giving Willy more time.
"You talk about a guy, a free-agent receiver we signed to catch touchdowns and he's coming in giving everything he's got to make these blocks and downfield he's blocking hard," said O'Shea. "I singled that out because that's impressive. He was very physical."
It's nice to be reminded, once in a while, that there are players who check their egos, for the good of the team.
A notch up in respect for Mr. Moore.
- Blue Bomber report, Ed Tait.
It's also a nice reminder that in football, the player that usually makes the 'play' is not the player who scores the touchdown or makes the tackle. This is what we teach at the grassroots level and it seems to resonate with the players.
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I see a lot of similarities emerging between Evander Kane and Lebron James. They're both selling themselves as individual commodities with absoutley no desire to attach themselves to any team. They market themselves to fetch the highest dollar knowing that their bodies will fail them eventually but it won't matter as they will have built a successful individual commodity that can diversify beyond just playing the game.
Honestly, i understand what you are saying but i think it's a bit of a stretch comparing the best basketball player in the game today to evander kane, Kane might be a good player, he might be a super star but he isn't yet.. He hasn't won anything, no individual awards, no team awards. Say what you will but Lebron never left Cleveland cuz he didn't like Cleveland, he left because he wanted to go somewhere else to win. He might even sign with Cleveland this off-season.
Honestly, kane might be our best player based on potential but the argument could be made right now that our best player all around is Blake Wheeler.
I never said they were equal in talent or even at the same stages in their professional career, I'm suggesting the similarirties are pretty obvious as treating themselves as a business and not just as an athlete who wants to play.
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I see a lot of similarities emerging between Evander Kane and Lebron James. They're both selling themselves as individual commodities with absoutley no desire to attach themselves to any team. They market themselves to fetch the highest dollar knowing that their bodies will fail them eventually but it won't matter as they will have built a successful individual commodity that can diversify beyond just playing the game.
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Don't think Messam fits in with the new culture here. That's probably all it comes down to.
Best answer yet. It could be that the Riders just replaced one headache in the lockeroom (Anderson) with another (Messam).
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Those Buck chips were ridiculously awesome and I really sincerely wish they'd come back. Because you could only really get 'em in MB, we'd have to stock up anytime one of us went home and bring 'em back to AB for game days....
Buck's legacy in this town, akin to that of Old Dutch, Jeannie's Cakes and Honey dill sauce.
Wow.
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I don't know why this story made my heart glow, either it was the story about all the Bombers that want to visit sick kids, or that Wiecek actually wrote something worth reading.
True story: Last August, shortly after taking over as CEO of the Winnipeg Blue Bombers, Wade Miller asked players to sign up for volunteer visits to Children's Hospital.
It was something the club used to do when Miller was a Bombers player, but which they'd stopped doing in recent years. And Miller wanted it to start up again.
There'd be no media coverage of the visits, players were told. And also no Tweeting -- it'd just be some football players meeting with some sick kids who needed a hug from a comically oversized hero.
A couple of players signed up.
Flash forward to this year and the same sign-up sheet went up in the Bombers locker-room at the start of the season. The entire page was filled in a single day.
Then, when a Bombers staffer took the sheet down because it was full, he was scolded -- by some players who never got a chance to sign up and wanted to be involved.
You know how you've been hearing for months about how the new Bombers regime wanted to change the culture in the locker-room this season? Well, that's what a changed culture looks like.
It's about self-sacrifice and doing the right thing the right way for the right reasons -- even when no one is looking. Especially when no one is looking.
It's the Mike O'Shea way, Bombers defensive lineman Greg Peach says of his head coach.
"Right from the first day coach O'Shea met with us, he came in and told us, 'I want guys who do not need rules.' And that's basically what he's done. He's not enforcing anything -- he's expecting us to do the right things all by ourselves.
"He doesn't yell, he's not pushing us. He just expects us to expect that of ourselves. He's put it on us -- and we've responded."
Great line. That's what it's all about. Something to always try to aspire to do knowing no one is perfect.
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It's club initiated arbitration. It's just a tool to retain his rights. No one likes arbitration so they will come to a deal. I'd suspect 4-5 year deal.
Considering it's Frolik and who we have as up and comers, I think the Jets management would rather see a two to three year deal max imo.
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M.O.A.B., on 08 Jul 2014 - 12:51 PM, said:
Herb Zurkowsky @HerbZurkowsky1
Troy Smith has removed the tape from his knee and has a helmet on - but isn't practising.
Yup, just saw the same thing on the Als board.
I think I'd rather see us play Troy Smith than Tanner Marsh for the basic fact of reading defences and how Etch probably still has a few more wrinkles to introduce.
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Based on the speed of the play, there was no way for Willis to do any more than he did to avoid a bad play. The legal area to hit a guy is getting so small, there's almost nowhere to hit the guy that doesn't result in a penalty...
You can always form tackle someone who has the ball.
It's not that hard, can't hit anyone above the shoulders, can't hit a QB standing prone in the pocket in the knees and below. Somehow not being able to hit above the nipples works for rugby, problem in football is that the helmet has become a weapon and a tool for tackling, some guys like Willis have terrible habits and barely even use their arms to tackle, which is why RB's are usually flying by him into the 2nd level.
Yes it would be nice to see form tackling more often from Williis (and most other players for that matter) and Willis doesn't have the greatest reputation.
But I did not see him leave his feet, he did lead high but did lead with his shoulder with incidental contact of the helmets. On this particular play, I really don't think there was intent, other than poor form tackling and a chance to hit the QB. It was a bang bang play in a close game.
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Thanks for posting. I wonder what that building is overlooking the stadium?
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plus a turnstile at tackle it ain't a good situation.In a way I feel bad for Glenn. For the better part of his career turnovers have been an issue. That being said when you compare last year's interception total, and compare the difference in the offensive lines and receivers, a decline was inevitable. I think Wally really undervalued Moore, and having Arceneaux out of the lineup leaves Glenn with a bunch of guys who frankly aren't that good at catching the football.
I actually felt bad for the guy in how the commentators were regularly profiling his play. Might be his last game.
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All those hamilton qbs just made some atrocious mistakes. That pick near the end, good lord I thought Austin would run onto the field and start beating the guy because it was a stupid throw to even think about trying.
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With focused coaching and him learning the finer details of our game, I think Masoli has a chance. Austin was all over the board with his QB's last night. I'm all for changing QB in and out depending on need but last night, yikes.
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To me, the deep ball worked for us because the redblacks have the worst starting safety in the CFL. I said he was a liability on the long ball as Eric Fraser can't cover the ground to help out & he didn't disappoint me. He gets sucked in a lot.
Near the end of the game, that's one of the worst safety blitzes I've seen for a while which Willy took full advantage.
If it was Milt receiving, he would have broken route, cut to the middle, put his hand up and bon voyage.
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O'shea was a pretty cool customer
Thus far he sure seems to being doing the right things other than just planning the football x's and o's.
Things like clapping to the fans at the end of the game, things like his approach with players personal situations both good and bad, things like his approach with his coaching staff.
This is called respect and seeing the bigger picture of what all this means.
I'm a fan, how can you not cheer for him?
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If im the bombers, i go after JJ on the first play of the game tonight. Do get a minor feeling that JJ will want to prove something tonight but... i'm not sure he proves what he wants too.
Not me, I go after their pair of rookie halfbacks early and often.
Yeah, as much as people want to **** on JJ, here's the thing about him: He's always at his best when he has a chip on his shoulder. And he has a MASSIVE chip on his shoulder about being released here. He wants to have an oustanding game, if for no other reason than to say **** You to the Bombers. He might get torched all season, but this first game against Winnipeg? I bet you he's lights out...
I think that's the debate. What is his 'best' nowadays, chip or not?
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More interesting numbers ...
Nic Grigsby leads the CFL in carries over 20 yards with 2. The rest of the CFL is tied with 0.
Julian Feoli-Gudino and Cory Watson are both tied for the Bomber lead in YAC with 22.
Interesting statistic on Drew Willy - he earned more of his passing yards than any QB in the league. What I mean by that is that the majority of his passing yardage was obtained while the ball was in the air. Out of 308 passing yards, only 70 yards were obtained after the catch. As a comparison, Bo Levi Mitchell threw for 313 passing yards and 166 of them were obtained after the catch.
Aaron Kelly leads the CFL in catches on 2nd down resulting in a 1st down with 3. Several others (including Cory Watson) tied for second with 2.
Winnipeg's offense was 64% run on first down, most in the league.
I'm starting to think I'm a humor nerd because that line is gold.
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Here's Johnny….
"It is fun. It's very fun. It's exciting," said Bombers linebacker/safety Johnny Sears, Jr. of the defensive scheme. "You saw it a few times, sometimes I was in the middle, sometimes I was at safety. It's inter-changeable with a lot of guys that can play anywhere. It makes you want to play the game. The coaches give us the insight of what to do and we work it out ourselves.
"It's still early, everything's not really in yet and we're still getting to know guys and feel guys out. We could still get that much better, which is scary when you look at film. We're trying to build it slowly and progress each week as a unit."
It worked last week and was entertaining to watch.
I'd like to see it work again and I want to see Henry's confused expression often.
* Wpg. Free Press
Yup.
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That guy, I forget his name, that said back in the offseason that Collaros would struggle in Hamilton because of how he plays against the blitz and the quality of their offensive line, and that Willy would be the the QB to get in the offseason really knew what he was talking about. If only I could recall who that was....
After one game, the reminder already comes? I'll give you this if it's the same mid-season.
I dunno man, that hamilton oline looked pretty awful and sask was only send 4 guys if that most times. Collaros didn't look good. I think its likely he does struggle this season. Hamiltons Oline will be their downfall. They just lost one of the guys to injury too.
I have no vested interest in Collaros, I hope we pummel Hamilton when we play them, but it's only one game. He's probably allowed at least one mulligan. Not to mention the fact his supporting cast didn't do much supporting.
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Austin can take dickhead coach to some surprisingly high levels..
I have no idea whether he's a d*ickhead or not, but his coaching approach seems to have worked the last couple of years.
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Keep fitzgerald in more for protection and run blocking I say.