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First of all, many players re-signed this year did so well below market value. That's just an undeniable fact. You think Biggie couldn't have got more than 160k on the open market? Secondly, Harris himself admitted to these deep issues. They are HIS words not ours, we are simply discussing them. Look, obviously you are a massive Harris fan, and that's fine, but comparing us to Riderfans is ludicrous and over the top and quite frankly makes you look bad...not the rest of us.

I feel bad for Andrew that he didn't get the opportunity to end his career here. I do not for one second think that he didn't play a big role in that though. If we had not won the Grey Cup last year, how steamed would we all be at him right now after learning he didn't show up in shape or focused last year. We had a good enough team to overcome that, thank goodness.

At the risk of being called a Riderfan, I will suggest there is only one plausible reason for not doing the workout. Ego. I never really thought of that, but yea, it takes a crap load for MOS to lose trust in his players.

Sure....but that's not always the right thing for all players. Harris is an emotional guy, and might have been better served with an agent to buffer those discussions. Not that special? They ended a 30 year Grey Cup drought and became the first team in the league in 20 years to repeat, Not sure what your definition of special is but that qualifies in my books. There were great stories about culture written before Collaros was signed. We might not be discussing back to back Grey Cups but certainly the culture of the team would still be looked on as being very favorable. Also, saying something like that is kinda strange, you could literally go back to any team of any era even the most special and say if they didn't sign player X would we be even talking about them. If the Bulls didn't have Jordan, if the Patriots hadn't drafted Brady, if the Als didn't sign Calvillo...etc etc. It makes no sense to play what if we didn't have this player or that player. The fact each of these teams had these types of players is part of what made them special.

That is quite probable that being his own agent worked against him. Also, he criticizes the team for signing Johnny and Brady without contacting him while saying in the same sentence he was on a beach in Mexico on an extended vacation at that time. Makes it a little tougher for the Bombers to conduct business with him when he's half a world away. I mean honestly, Brady and Johnny were signed fairly recently before the start of FA. It may be just me but if the team I really wanted to play for had not started contract talks with me a couple of weeks before FA I might reach out to them instead of waiting for my phone to ring.

Up until Harris chose to go to the media no one was dumping on him. However, he went public with what should have stayed behind closed doors and now fans are responding to it. There is nothing Riderfans about that. FACT: Andrew Harris, by his own admission, came into camp out of shape and unfocused last year. Saying that is not dumping on him it's a matter of public record now. FACT: Andrew Harris chose to go to Toronto for more money. That too is public record. FACT: No one in the Bomber organization commented on this in anything but a very positive manner. Harris chose to go to the media about his departure. FACT: When a prominent player signs elsewhere in FA, talks to the media about it, there is going to be discussion that arises from that amongst the fans. Doesn't matter what fan base you belong too. FACT: Long before Harris left people were wondering what his role should/would be with the Bombers with most suggesting it was a year for him to pass the torch. This is not new. FACT: Not a single person here, unlike RIderfans, is minimizing Harris's past contributions or role with the team.

I agree. Both sides went into contract negotiations with completely opposite expectations of what they should look like. Both sides had their reasons for their belief. This was simply a matter of two sides of a business deal being unable to come to terms. It happens all the time and there is no real blame to be laid for it. Yea....I think running backs kind of suffer from an even split of reps all game but definitely I foresee both guys getting their chances to carry the rock.

I believe that coming out of camp both men will see a lot of reps and then we will roll with the hot hand.

I personally feel that 5'8" is too short to play wide out in the CFL, however, others have done it. I think he is far more suited for the slot as he is explosive out of breaks and is a great route runner. He is not a take the top off the defence type player. His YAC was not great in college but he is a twitchy type runner. I think a far more apt comparable for him is Kyran Moore over Duke Williams. He literally has nothing in common with Duke other than an average 40 time. Personally, I think he could develop this year into someone who knocks on the door for a receiving spot but I don't realistically think he would make a particularly effective wideout. I could be wrong though. He did play KR/PR in college and had decent numbers but I'm not sure he is a Grant replacement at the pro level.

I think it is OK to be a little disappointed with the airing of dirty laundry.

Harris is showing a complete lack of class. OShea lost trust in him..that speaks volumes. Farhan was on Pederson today and said Harris was not in physical condition coming to camp last year and that even Harris would admit that led to at least his first injury last year and probably second as well. Bomber brass and possibly members of the locker room were pretty upset with his lack of physical conditioning. Said Harris was dealing with personal problems and wasnt fully committed.

The surest way to get fleeced in FA by the agents is to admit you have cash to spend. Walters has a few dollars kicking around still.

I think he is or at least was on our suspended list. However I think he ended the season on the PR which would make him a FA.

He played football growing up in the Ottawa area.

As always it comes down to cost though. If there was no SMS definitely you bring Harris back but realistically of all our big ticket signings is there a single one more risky and more likely to backfire than Harris? Who would you have the Bombers not re-signing to free up Harris money and don't say no one because we know full well given the amount of all stars we had to re-sign that was not an option. You're angry, I get it, no one wants to lose a Harris but seriously Jeffcoat, Jefferson, Biggie, Oliveira or Augustine and a medium priced vet, who....who you picking? Explain how it would be better and why you think Oliveira and Augustine can't get the job done when they have demonstrated their ability to do so.

Never heard of it but sounds interesting. Glad to see these guys giving back and anytime you get some coaching from ex-pros it's going to be a positive experience for the players I would think.

Same as last year. I would be shocked if Thiadric isn't back with us. Global salaries are all the same so why would he leave.

ACL not achilles He played Canadian ball growing up.

I cheer for the logo not the player. If you aren't wearing our logo then you are the enemy. Legacy can wait till after careers are over and they are not playing for the opposition and come back and sign their one day contracts to retire in our uniform. Until then Adams, Harris, Lawler et al are opponents now and we need to smash them in the mouth.

Most UDFAs don't go to the combine. Just shows that if he were drafted it would an off the board pick. However, doesn't mean much as far as him getting an NFL look. I tend to agree. He didn't have a particularly impactful season as an over ager at Rutgers. Any NFL interest would be based purely on his size and would likely be a brief look imo.

It could I suppose if your QB isn't 6 gamed but misses stretches of a couple games here and there you could have SMS problems. However, you adjust as needed when things like that happen.

For sure. For all the griping this offseason could have went much, much worse for us for the same amount of dollars spent. I don't see a single high profile guy we signed this offseason that I would trade for Harris, Adams or Stove. The other guys who walked away were completely beyond our control when idiotic money or the NFL come calling you just can't compete with that. Dobson and Rene may both get UDFA interest or might not. Nobody really can say right now. However, both guys could possibly end up here so that is why there is all the chatter. Both would be big gets.

McKnight has earned the right to compete for a spot in camp. Nothing more is owed to him than that.

My guess is that Frankie William 2022 is wanting Frankie Williams 2018 salary. He'll probably have to take a couple days to let the reality set in that his market has changed.

Yea...I really like Washington...hope he is someone we go after.