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Hey if you are going to give calgary credit for anything, their tailgate scene is really good. Debate where it ranks compared to other stuff sure, but the fans who do the tail gating know what they're doing

Geeze you just really explained a lot of the important losses this team has suffered the last few years...

Wins are definitely superior to losses.

I might have said this before, but basically in 2019ish guys like Thomas and Kramdi were depth pieces, now they're starters... canadian talent fell and I don't really see their plan to improve it. Sure Wallace is an up and comer, but neufeld is on his last legs, Kolankowski never had any legs to start with... Eli been her a while and never gets to start... Brady and demski sure they're great, but demski is not young, clercius good young... but we're looking at a couple nice young pieces, a few older guys and then a lot of meh.... since apparently the linebackers we drafted are just special teamers...

Keep in mind the riders front 7 is good, but their secondary is the drizzling shits, so yeah Brady was never going to go off in the run game here. Teams know that you beat the Bombers by limiting the run game.

Honestly too much time was spent living in their glory days of 2019, 2021 etc. Losing by 1 in 2022 with collaros on a bum ankle was the worst outcome. Delayed changes, and the making 2 more cup games just reinforced the idea their core was still good enough. Too little change post 2022 is the problem IMO. Yes I know there has been a lot of roster turnover... but I think a change in philosophy was warranted because steady as she goes isn't working anymore.

Know what was more critical in our 2 Grey cup wins? Players like Thomas and kramdi were depth, not key starters. Lost a lot of Canadian talent and depth since 2019.

Why spend draft capital on guys when you don't want to use them? It just means you're playing lower upside Canadians somewhere else.

Oh yeah totally winnable, which is what makes the stupid things they did so painful.

I'm saying it was a draft pick based on roster construction as opposed to picking best player available. So where does that direction come from?

However it came down to 3rd and a mile to stay on the field... not that close given the context or the game.

If they built the roster better Jake Thomas wouldn't have been out there all game long huffing and puffing away... it's criminal how little depth we have on the DL when our guys are as old as they are (never.mind that Thomas is a career depth player). We spent a ton of draft capital on linebacker yet Kyrie Wilson (who i love as a player don't get me wrong) is always out there. He's not the future and give his injury situation in the past he's barely the present. We used to regularly dress 7 offensive linemen for few situations... well we justified it by saying we didn't want to lose a couple them... well 2 of them who were depth we didn't want to lose aren't here anymore anyway and the 3rd doesn't ever get a sniff of starting no matter what. So what was the plan? There is a clear disconnect between coach and gm. So who do we blame? Ultimately the gm since he can change the coach, but that's the first step. I'm going to go ahead and blame the wasted Bennett first round pick on coaching too. That was clearly a pick made to try and maintain the Canadian rotation on the DL. I think the flaws and strengths that each of the coach and GM have demonstrated over the last decade + are evident.... and weighing all of that I'd make a coaching change before I make a GM change. Personally I'd prefer Walters to kick O'Shea in the ass and make him use the roster he has better but not sure they've got that sort of relationship.

There's obviously an injury issue with Logan still so why dress him? We could use that spot on a more impactful player. Kick off returns and 2 or 3 offensive series isn't good use of roster.

Oh that play call is fine. Qb has to recognize it's not working and throw the ball away. Collaros ****** around and took a sack instead.

Biggest problem with this team is complacency and some guys never have to worry about their jobs regardless of performance (again, complacency).... that's coaching. Person and Allen and woodbey come in and look ******* good instantly but it was coaching kept the off the roster so long.... so at what point do we stop pretending that osh is playing the best at every position when we can see that he doesn't always do that... If osh won't change his approach this team will just get worse and worse because the message has gone stale. Too many passengers on this team right now and that's a coaches job to fix. Let's even say that maybe there's an overall talent problem here.... Let's say that oshea is playing his best players at each position... there are still massive problems with the way the roster is constructed and that's a common theme going back a long way. We drafted some high upside linebackers who don't get a sniff on defense while career depth Canadians get to start continuously. We have in the past dressed players who taken 0 snaps. We dress Americans to only chase kicks or do really niche situational things. I've described it in the past as playing other games on hard mode. Well that doesn't work as your team ages and loses some star power. Replacing stars doesn't happen magically, you have to actually develop players to replace aging veterans.

Straw man nothing, we don't need an all Canadian DL interior for the ratio, that's quite choice that is being made.

Logan has been a waste of space. Woodbey was good, I'd keep him if we can. Get one of the Americans on at DT too. Don't care if it's adams or woods. As for OL preference is kolankowski sits but that won't happen so yeah get an American in the third spot.

I love taking shots on 2nd and short... but you can not lose yards. Nothing there then the ball goes into the 5th row.

The other thing to consider is that Zach has always been less than great at the short passing game. He's a mid to deep guy. Now we're in a situation where we seem to only be able to run a poor man's lapo offense which is just not suited for collaros at all.

Zach has lost yards on 2nd and short multiple times. Just more of the stupid self inflicted **** they do to themselves. They're still doing things on hard mode when they don't have the horses to overcome it anymore.

Thought after schmekel got hurt the tackles got gassed badly, especially Thomas and the effectiveness nose dived, particularly against the run. Honestly this game was only close because of a pants on head ******** penalty by a rider db... 3rd and 14 and you take a PI penalty near your endzone? That's embarrassing. It was a classic death by 1000 stupid things. Backbreakingly ill timed penalties... giving a first down being offside on a punt, giving up 2 first down plays on penalties... those IMO lost them the game more than anything. The OL was ******* gross. Was a play early on neufeld looks to pass off a guy to Kolankowski and neither guy blocks anyone and collaros has a guy right right at him unimpeded.... what the **** do these guys donin practise?

Well that's fine because if collaros dropped back he probably would have been sacked.

Is it about a rider? Then no.

Does Hogan know that?