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Guys who have a history of being top offensive producers get more rope, especially when the Oilers sucking in October is pretty much clockwork at this point.

There is no universe in which Hogan should be brought back as offensive coordinator. He was an unmitigated failure and the offense outside of 1 game was abysmal.

Is that referring to Evan Bouchard? Because if so it's a ridiculous comparison considering the absolutely dominating offense post seasons the guy has put together last 2 seasons and big point totals in the previous regular seasons. Guy like that having a poor start to an nhl season is a lot different than over the hill players or players who were never good enough getting continual rope.

Yeah for me Jake isn't even in consideration. I vote kolankowski and then probably a couple others on offense.

One of the reasons IMO we struggle to find open receivers.

Ok been thinking about this... who is the worst starter on the team? Genuinely curious what people think.

Yeah welcome to the conversation about WHY he has done squat.

Kolankowski also shows an inability to block.... worse than Eli IMO. I mean it seems thr rare snaps Eli gets in at centre we busy a big run up the middle... Eli was at C when Chris-Ike had a huge run up the middle against Montreal. The point is we kept the guy around for years and never once tried him.at C despite C being the worst starter on our team.

So other than Brady.... is there anyone we'd be super disappointed to lose?

Very interesting comparison.... Dave Ritchie was notorious for sticking with his good old boys at all costs and Charles Roberts had to basically walk away from the team for them to give him the chance... and as you said, he became one of the teams all time best.

I could go out there and try my hardest, does that mean I should have a spot? Thomas plays nearly every god damned snap and even at his peak he was just a depth guy. Huge problem. Willie is problem too because he doesn't put in the effort. They both need to be gone next year IMO.

So instead of trying him, or someone else we just stick with the suck? Also we didn't need Jake as a Canadian for the ratio so it is absolutely a valid comparison.

When has he played centre? Also, Kolankowski is beyond useless too...

Also why worry about losing jobs or adapting? It just encapsulates everything that is wrong with the team at the moment

Collaros seems to have settled into that comfort zone where he doesn't really care anymore. Was evidenced by the suspension he served. There's a whole lot of complacency around this team that needs to get gone. Preseason next year better be an absolute dog fight for spots.

Drink heavily

But these problems are one and the same.... guys with tenure never get challenged or replaced. We build the roster assuming they can still play the bulk of the snaps... it's the same problem! You're in until you're too hurt to play and even then maybe you still get to play.

I think what most people want to see is the attempt to get better at areas we know are a problem. Bring in bodies for Thomas until you find the right guy, try centres until you find a guy better than Kolankowski etc etc etc. Instead we stand pat.

Do you really feel like he's a worse player than Jake Thomas? Because we didn't need Thomas as a Canadian on the roster... this is the whole same argument! You just take it on faith that the coaches are making the best roster decisions they can which can be very easily shown to not always be the case.

I'm just saying, we knew we had problems and never tried other options. I wish it was just the odd time.

Does it need to be major or would little changes make enough difference? We never tried... dl looked a lot better without rookies last week though.

So question.... they kept Bailey on, did he take any snaps during the game?

You can bring the coach and gm back again, but they need to make significant changes to the roster... I have my doubts that osh can change that aspect because he's been stubborn about fielding the best roster possible his entire time here.

Thomas and Willie need to be cut immediately on D to have any hope for next year. Kolankowski also. There's a lot more but those 3 are huge liabilities that need to go.

Remember when we had the toughest team out there and just beat teams up on the way to wins? That was awesome... this year though just soft soft soft play all around.