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You can't build through the draft in the CFL. You only get the player for their first contract. A couple/few years later they can be gone like Muamba and Labatte before him.

Yep some people are ignoring those things...probably because they have absolutely no bearing on this conversation. You can't apply generalities across the board as if they are absolutes. You judge MOS solely on his body of work, and with the facts you have, if you are the Bombers....certainly not on historical data. If we ignore history, we're doomed to repeat it.

Those who like OShea are grasping for reasons to keep him and now to extend his contract? You have to ignore his record or give him points for 'Moral Victories' to even think of extending his contract. You have to ignore the fact that only 1 HC who didn't make the playoffs in their first 2 years didn't get fired since the turn of the century, probably longer. You have to ignore the fact that only 2 HC's coaches in the CFL have ever missed the playoffs in their first 2 years and went on to be a good HC and one of them waited a decade to get a second chance.

Extend O'Shea so he won't be a 'Lame Duck' HC? That kind of thinking got us an extra half year out of PLAP and we ended up paying him for 2 more years for doing nothing. Not extending O'Shea wouldn't hurt our OC search much if at all. An OC who wants to be a HC might even find it a bonus rather than a detriment.

Lirim missed his last kick against Calgary that could have sent the game to OT. He came back with his worst game ever in Bomber Blue against Edmonton. Will be interesting to see if the Bombers have faith in him against BC this week.

I wouldn't cut Lirim. I doubt there's anyone better on the roster. If there is, the special teams coach should be fired for keeping Lirim in. This year is definitely going to hurt Lirim in the pocketbook. No NFL for him. Maybe no CFL either.

Lawless has been pushing that agenda for weeks if not months already.

Other teams punters end up punting up the middle of the field and their special teams can cover it anyway.

Didn't Westwood miss 4 FG's in a playoff game that we lost? I doubt he missed any converts, but then again they were pretty much gimmies back then.

MB called a great 2nd half. Spread the ball around. Got it to the hot receivers. Found holes in the Edmonton defence by keeping them off balance. Everything that he didn't do in the first half.

I just hope Nichols doesn't try and do too much to prove to Edmonton that they made a bad decision. If he does, then we'll see more Int's than TD's.

Hamilton's not as good without Collaros, but they're still a very good team. A lot of folks seemed to think that they'd fold when Collaros went down. The way they played Calgary would suggest otherwise.

The reports of Hamilton's demise when Collaros went down seem to have been premature. They're still a very good team whose special teams and defence can win games for them as long as Mathews doesn't turn the ball over too often.

Montreal's on their 3rd MLB of the year Muamba will be their 4th. They lost both starting corners. They couldn't get any pressure and Burris eviscerated them for more than 500 yards. Yet... they are still good enough to bet us.

And it sad because whether is right or wrong (to cut the coach/es) that's the reason why coach/es doesn't want to come here. Winnipeg is a coach's grave yard. I don't want us to cut coach/es and then we end up with someone worse as a replacements because no one wants to come here. I don't see it getting any worse with a different HC. Regina's the only team behind us in the standings, and they'd be tied with us if Glenn came back a week earlier IMHO.We don't fire coaches as quickly as Montreal does and they can still bring new ones in, so I don't see firing O'Shea costing us chances at bringing in a new coach. The last two times Montreal has hired a head coach they had multiple candidates around the league turn down interviews and ended up hiring Dan Hawkins and Tom Higgins, both unemployed then and since they were fired. Not the best example. Really? Who turned down interviews in Montreal? BTW: O'Shea wouldn't have got a second season in Montreal after going 1-7 in the last half of last season.

Interesting that the contract info yesterday said 2 more years after this season, now it's only 1? Does that mean the 1st source was wrong, which means the salary numbers are probably wrong too, or is the second source wrong.

And it sad because whether is right or wrong (to cut the coach/es) that's the reason why coach/es doesn't want to come here. Winnipeg is a coach's grave yard. I don't want us to cut coach/es and then we end up with someone worse as a replacements because no one wants to come here. I don't see it getting any worse with a different HC. Regina's the only team behind us in the standings, and they'd be tied with us if Glenn came back a week earlier IMHO. We don't fire coaches as quickly as Montreal does and they can still bring new ones in, so I don't see firing O'Shea costing us chances at bringing in a new coach.

It's not about change for change's sake or change to help selling tickets. It's about change to move forward to becoming a better team. I honestly don't see what folks expect O'Shea to do differently next year to pull us out of mediocrity or worse.

Westerman's been everything we hoped he'd be. BTW: It's A player of the month, not THE player of the month. Burris was #1, Rainey #2 and Westerman #3.

Reffing is a big problem that can be solved with more money and more training. Better protection for the QB's isn't a reffing problem. It's an O line vs D line problem. As 3 or 4 NI's are 'hidden' on the O line, it's also a NI talent problem. Removing the ratio or greatly reducing it doesn't equal no NI's in the league. Kids are dreaming of playing for the big bucks of the NFL or their home town team if they can't make the CFL. Removing or reducing the ratio wouldn't change the dream. For most, it's just a dream anyway.

If you want to keep a player you put them on an IR, you don't cut them and take a chance that no one else will pick them up. I didn't think you could cut an injured player anyway. Does it have something to do with the cap? Marve retires mid-season. Cole is cut. (6 game doesn't help as you don't get to take the salary off of the cap until they've finished their first 6 game stint and we don't have 7 games left.)

It wouldn't cost any less. All teams spend to the same cap. The way the money is distributed may change, but teams would spend the exact same on salaries. By costing less I mean getting better players for less money. The number of US players who want to extend their playing days after college is huge. The number of Canadian players who can extend their playing days after college is very small. That's why NI's, especially starting grade or better, get huge paychecks (In CFL Terms).

I didn't imply that the league and the refs weren't at fault. I did say that Adams shouldn't have asked for confirmation before he was set and that the LJ shouldn't have given confirmation before Adams was set. After watching the replay again courtesy of a poster here I realized that Adams was indeed onside even after he moved and I said so. SPUDS then goes back and quotes a post prior to seeing the replay again and accuses me of saying the refs weren't at fault.

The CFL is already a B league for the NFL. Our best players, NI or not, go there as soon as they can because they money's hugely better and they're playing the best competition in the world. The skill level would rise considerably, not slightly, especially with 1 year contracts as NFL quality players would take the chance to show what they've got in the CFL for another chance at the NFL. There aren't enough good NI's to go around now. Reducing or eliminating the ratio would get rid of that problem and would end up costing teams less too because NI's suck up more than their share of the SMS. I'm sure the CFL would lose some fans if they eliminated the NI rule, but I doubt they would if we simply reduced it.

He was special teams coach in 2012. In 2013 he became Asst GM for 6 games. Interim GM for the rest of the 2013 season. Full GM 2014.