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6 minutes ago, 17to85 said:
The voice is the physical characteristics of the voice. Delivery is what you do with it.
I said way back you were confusing the issue, thank you for proving it.
that is for when you do a speech. we are talking play by play.
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Spoke with few bombers about an hour ago and they are not optimistic that Andrew Harris is returning anytime soon. With Bob Irving's comments that Adams could be in the lineup next week, Harris by Labour Day is even doubtful.
Brady had a good stat game but obviously he wasn't playing against a competent line with Hamilton missing DL and having to play out of position in the front 6 they didn't even rotate and the Bombers OL were dominant all game. There is no chance Brady is good enough to be a #1 RB and the Bombers should be looking at bringing someone in.
There are quite a few good ones available including the PR from other teams.
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1 hour ago, 17to85 said:
No it's not.
lol my god people here enjoy arguing. Delivery is the voice. Its the sound that comes out of your mouth. What is it? how you stand? I know people like you and can imagine you are going to say its how you present yourself. But thats not delivery. That is technique and presentation. How you deliver a speech is not the same as how you deliver doing play by play cause there is no eye to eye contact. Now you have been educated
The guy that is doing the elks redblacks game has an amateur voice. Its riddles. he should be a sideline reporter. Its not bothering me but its sad we don't have any great broadcasters in canada anymore outside Cuthbert. After Bob Cole retired even HNIC is awful
1 hour ago, Geebrr said:They use incorrect helmets on graphics all the time. I hate it
That never happened. And if it did it would be for few seconds. Ever watch a basketball game? same issue. The score bug is hooked up to the automatic in house electronic board for both time and score.
We saw it tonight when Ottawa got a TD then it got called back they added another 6 to it. So because of that for like 30 seconds if you went on the TSN app or even CFL.ca it would have shown 15-3. They have
to edit the bug and remove the entry and add 3 again.
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4 hours ago, Tracker said:
no offense but by showing what the stock market is like DOW and NASDAQ is irrelevant to the viability of the market Now I know by just your post that you do no know how the market correlates to the financial component of the economy. The USA index rating is 2.5 which basically means it can't lend or borrow $ or sell bonds without approval of the senate. This is why inflation is high. Not sure if you are aware of what is goin going on in the USA.
Corporations are taking a beating but luckily Trump gave them a underwriting policy on tax credits they can use till 2025. This is why many corporations moved back into the USA and was able to hire.
Thats whats happening in Alberta. They are at a very low unemployment rate. It has nothing to do with the economy it has everything to do with the breaks the PC's gave in 2018 and they are utilizing this to recoup losses by writing off their capital gains.
https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/gdp-growth
This makes your article mute as its irrelevant. Your article is literally fake news propaganda trying to make fun of fox news. its not even comparable to reality.
Just wait for whats in store in Canada. Gas prices will hit 2 dollars in Manitoba within 2 yrs. Milk will be 7.5 in 2 yrs. Meat will be 30% higher. We are already seeing vegetables increased. Vehicles will be 30% higher. Sadly the future is not good plus canada pension fund is shot to hell now that the gov't spent trillion dollars on helping out corporations during covid and handing out free money for those not deserving
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2 hours ago, Noeller said:
Walby and Dunigan are two guys who like to have some drinks and talk about football. If you can capture that in a broadcast, you've got something. The key there is that they're "colour" guys, not the hosts. Your colour guys are supposed to have personalities. The host/PBP needs to be more polished and professional, IMO.
Wittman and Walby, Cuthbert/Miller/Smith and Dunigan..... Those are OUTSTANDING tandems. I like Forde, but he comes across awkward at times when he attempts to be funny. Suitor is knowledgeable enough but is just SUCH a Riders apologist and makes it tough to handle.
Just my own personal takes tho.. As I said.... People have different tastes.
Wittman was with Kepley and Curry.
CBC loved when Wittman worked with Lancaster and Curry cause their voices all balanced each other. You should read the book on Wittman.
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2 hours ago, Adrenaline_x said:
Are you looking for a phone sex operators or something? As long as they don’t have annoying voices I really could care less. They are there to be explaining what is going on for you.
I do like the commentary and the silly ness rod black injects but that’s just me.
5 hours ago, Noeller said:100% prepped for weeks ahead of time. Same with "The Golden Goal...."
3 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:But you don't work in the industry so your opinion is no more informed than any of us here with one exception. That's like saying you know how to survive for a month in the wilderness because you watched Survivorman. Until you actually are hired by a broadcaster, do the job & are successful like Noeller is in the news media then perhaps you should stay in your own lane a bit. We don't mind your opinion, though. You're free to like or dislike anything about TSN's broadcasts like the rest of us.
I am extremely knowledgeable about sports and broadcasting. Clearly... As I gave examples earlier I know all the best were hired due to their voice. Remember Dave Hodge? He was removed from HNIC play by play to host cause of his voice. CBC sports president made the decision that his voice wasn't fitting for HNIC for the nation with what they had in the cbc department.
3 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:But you don't work in the industry so your opinion is no more informed than any of us here with one exception. That's like saying you know how to survive for a month in the wilderness because you watched Survivorman. Until you actually are hired by a broadcaster, do the job & are successful like Noeller is in the news media then perhaps you should stay in your own lane a bit. We don't mind your opinion, though. You're free to like or dislike anything about TSN's broadcasts like the rest of us.
if i knew how to survive in the wildness could i not watch survivor? exactly. So its irrelevant. You are just going around in circles as the facts are the facts. Voice is everything. This is why Rod Black is doing play by play
3 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:But you don't work in the industry so your opinion is no more informed than any of us here with one exception. That's like saying you know how to survive for a month in the wilderness because you watched Survivorman. Until you actually are hired by a broadcaster, do the job & are successful like Noeller is in the news media then perhaps you should stay in your own lane a bit. We don't mind your opinion, though. You're free to like or dislike anything about TSN's broadcasts like the rest of us.
Noeller? who is he. Never heard of him.
5 hours ago, 17to85 said:But you said it was all the voice.....
delivery is the voice.
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1 hour ago, Noeller said:
Listen - here's an absolute broadcasting truth: There's a lot of subjectivity to it, as far as what people enjoy. I don't want to go so far as to say "everyone's ears are different..." but some people are just looking for different things out of a broadcast/broadcaster... And that's fine. I'm okay with that. If what Rod Black does is enjoyable to some people, that's great. Whatever makes you happy. But from a guy who hires broadcasters for a living, the voice is among the least important things for me when I'm hiring someone new. I want a top notch communicator, a hard worker, and an extremely positive attitude. I don't work in TV, and things are a bit different over in that world, but the basics are the same. There's a reason Chris Cuthbert is the best to ever do it... And it's very little to do with his voice.
did you hire at TSN1290? lol.
Chris Cuthbert if you listen to him is almost the exact same as Rod Black. For all the faults fans whine about Black Cuthbert does the same thing. I enjoy both cause they have a great voice and are enthusiastic about the game. I would say you wouldn't even find another broadcaster that loves the CFL more than Rod Black. Plus he is a Winnipeger that most of his family still live in the city.
Peter Mansbridge is another great example. People today would think he is horrible but he is one of the best cause his delivery is gold. Similar to Tom Brokaw and Peter Jennings. They train broadcasters to bring out a certain talent which is why our media is crap. A smile and choice of words is nothing. Its all delivery.
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Blue Bombers vs Tiger Cats received just over 700k average with 1.2 million peak not including RDS - For some reason the research date released says that Ottawa, Atlantic Canada, Yukon, NWT, and Northern Saskatchewan and Western Ontario are not included in the ratings. so whenever we get a # released its not all of Canada. Kind of pointless.
Will update Riders/Lions when available
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55 minutes ago, MOBomberFan said:
You heard it here first guys. Doesn't matter what you say so long as you sound good saying it. This according to a guy that claims to know someone who works for HNIC. Pack it in Noeller, your decades of first hand experience are nothing next to the anecdotes of a guy that knows a guy.
you mean someone's experience matters?
Like 20 years working in the science field and working with ebola virus and sars? hmm that sounds like me.
Clearly you have your own opinion and you could be doing the hiring for a network and if we competed your broadcasting coverage would be inferior to mine. People are in the business that actually do the hiring have different views. CBS, CBC, RSN, FOX,etc -
Just remember people didn't give a ratz about Curt Keilback cause he was good at one liners or how well he followed the play (average at best) it was his voice. Just ask Curt who I know very well and his son. Everywhere he goes people go up to him and say ''your voice was my childhood. Your voice made jets hockey'' -- it wasn't '' Curt i loved your one liners, or the wrap around''
If you don't believe me just ask him.
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I'm not a fan of diversity hirings cause its just wrong. You hire the best for the position. There are only 2 people within the company that could or should do the job and its her or Duthie.
Kate has experience hosting CFL and she is a pure fan of the league and sport. This was not a diversity hiring it was 100% on qualifications.
22 minutes ago, 17to85 said:A voice is like being a 6'4 athletic as all hell receiver it gets you a lot of chances but ultimately it's not the only thing you need. You actually have to be good at what you do.
Voice leads and will always lead the way. I get what you are saying but how hard is it after the voice? Less is more in broadcasting. Collaros back to pass, has Adams, and he drops the ball. Thats it.
Now if you listen to Bob Irving doing radio he has the voice and tone. He makes what all of you call Rod Black mistakes. He at times is horrible, but could care less cause all he has to do is just let me know if it was a run or pass and how many yards the play was and what down and distance. EASY!
On TV its totally different. And the tone of the voice is the most important part of tv play by play cause you are watching the game and you should already know who has the ball and what down/distance.
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30 minutes ago, itchy said:
Had to go to Costco this am.
Good to see everyone there with the exception of 3 people were fully masked. Some hope for humanity yet.
Wearing masks do not prevent the spread of covid in every environment. You should be wearing masks in various elements but not everywhere should be required. Like at the Blue Bomber game. It wouldn't help.
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Biden is one of the worst presidents in history already. But he and Harris cant do much about it. They spent 4 yrs attacking Trump and making up lies about him, then just said the opposite with everything and tried to undo the good Trump did do.
The border is a mess.
The financial market is a disaster.
Covid has become political. I worked 4 months in New York in a lab and we were forbidden to share anything to media and weren't allowed to speak with non-family about the science we discovered.
Inflation will make its way to Canada and people like Manitoba Ontario Alberta are going to pay big time for it.
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Toronto Argos are going to be the team to beat if their QB and RB play is solid enough.
Tonight the Argos with the boatmen logo will beat the Calgary Stampeders. +7.5 points? this is not the same stamps team. Sure they could have some nice up and coming players but
people do not realize how average their OL will be and how dominant the Argos DL will be. Oakman is a top 15 NFL 1st round pick. Ray was a 1st round pick who will blossom into a star in the CFL. Him playing off the edge in the CFL and how the Argos will run their DL packages Oakmand/Ray/Hughes should all become stars this season. They have terrific receivers. Thompsonhas to be excited he has a chance to win with this team and he might actually become the #1 QB if they keep winning.
18 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:BC needs a new kicker. The punter is also a global player so it wouldn't hurt that way and their guy last night was terrible. Two missed FGs, a missed PAT and an average kickoff of under 50 yards.
they would have won the game if they had a kicker. He is too small. He is like 4-5
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On 2021-08-06 at 11:53 AM, aalgernon said:
Anyone have any suggestions on how to stream CFL games, preferably in a legal manner? I tried signing up for ESPN+ which carries the games, but it turns out you need a cable provider with ESPN in order for the subscription to work at all. (It's also meant to by American only, but I subverted that with a VPN.)
I know TSN direct exists, but it's expensive. Is it any good?
Anyone have Sling or Hulu or whatever which carries ESPN and watch games that way?
don't waste your time with paying for a subscription. I have a wonderful free sports app that nobody in Canada even knows about it. 100% safe. Its a live wired feed from the actual production offices that use ESPN college athletics and now FOX, TSN, CBS are being listed as they literally do not care its being made available. Similar HTV or OTA receivers were used 15 years ago.
If you want to watch CFL games you can dm me and I will share the link
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16 hours ago, JCon said:
I mean, if I wasn't going to block this garbage beforehand, I certainly am now.
Imagine the gall of telling someone in the industry what constitutes good and bad. Height of arrogance and ignorance.
I have a relative that works for HNIC. I read Scott Moore letter to the staff when he was brought on to Rogers regarding seeking emerging talent and it was regarding 'looking for the next voice' They don't even care what words you say, its the voice.
Denis Beyak was fired from FOX in the '90s during his trial with them (look it up) So they had to use Kenny Albert more. They brought in Schulman who is Canadian simply to replace Brent Musburger doing Big 12 Basketball cause of the tone of his voice was perfect for replacing a similar tone Musberger.
Bob Cole was hired because of his voice. Read his book.
Bill Walton was hired and fired 20 times before he made it to NBC. Only reason why he kept being brought on was because he said he had the voice but had to learn to overcome his speech problem
Joe Buck was working with FOX on the D team and they told him his voice wasn't good enough so he took training on his vocals for an entire year.
So yes I would consider myself knowledgeable with this situation. If arrogance means being educated then I have one big time ego.
8 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:Well, TSN was back to the same camera angles they always had. I guess it's a one time shot. No drones or automated camera. Should have known TSN is too cheap to invest in new technology to make the broadcasts better. I have to admit, I was disappointed.
They use the exact same production as their hockey production.
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46 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said:
Sorry. Rod. Black. Sucks.
Has Matt put on weight or is it just the camera angle?
Matt is in incredible shape. Probably lighting in his house and angle
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8 hours ago, Bubba Zanetti said:
Yeah the concessions were terrible. 30+ minute wait for beer and lines that went on for days. They need to add some staff and speed up the process big time.
According to the Blue Bombers email that I received from management about the matter that 2 issues were the problem. 1) Many staff didn't show up to work 2) New staff that had no knowledge of how to run a concession.
They know the problem and promise changes
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23 hours ago, itchy said:
Anyone coming in still and seeing this- avoid gate 1 and 4 at all costs.
Came in my gate 2 and absolutely zero hassle
Gate 4 went extremely fast. maybe 12 minutes on avg. However there was the 1 line that went back deep cause everyone stood in 1 line and not move to the other 8 choices
3 hours ago, Mark H. said:Sorry guys, I removed all the covid related posts.
My patience for the 'covid is not a big deal' posts, has gone to absolute 0
More football talk please!
Mark. I sent you a private message on your issues with covid.
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5 hours ago, Noeller said:
Speaking as something of an expert on the matter, most of this post is patently false.
Voice has little or nothing to do with quality of PBP. It's your ability to communicate. Rod Black always sounds like he's a second or two behind the play, and not describing it as it's happening. That's the biggest issue with him.
I'm not even going to get into the hockey stuff mentioned here.......it's beyond the realm of understanding.
lol. The voice sets the tone. Nothing less and nothing more. Do you really wait to see what the announcer says for confirmation? Names and #'s and yardage is irrelevant. Like maybe you haven't watched sports long enough but certain fans complain about things like this and its nonsense. Every announcer even the best Cuthbert or Wittman made mistakes. Who cares. The voice is everything
3 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:Black has no clue where the ball is on the field. He never says the down & distance. The other thing is that TSN no longer keeps track of ind player stats. So, we don't know how many yards Oliveira had, we don't know the passing stats of the qbs & we don't know receiving stats of the players unless the announcers tell us. They keep no defensive stats as well. Especially sack totals like they used to. When I said the production value was better, it was. Some very nice shots of the stadium inside & out but it's the same **** again for viewers watching. The (lack of) talent in the booth hasn't changed.
Majority of all hardcore sports broadcasters across the country and even in the USA said they loved Rod Black and the production. So there is that.
Sportsgrid had 2 hrs of coverage of the game and they were very impressed. Also Rod Black bashing is just stupid. He is literally one of the best in the business. Go find someone better, you wont. People in the USA hate Joe Buck. Even Jim Nantz is overrated but he has the voice and his tone is refreshing.
MLB radio announces are the best cause of the tone they use and majority have a powerful southern voice which comes booms across the radio similar to Keilback
3 hours ago, Bigblue204 said:He caught the ball, or did he? They're gonna give.him the first down, or will they? He was using some classic Rod one liners!! Lol. But yeah, it's notnjust one or two mistakes. He does play by like he's talking to someone who has never seen a football game....and he been making the same.mistakes for over a decade. It's time to move on.
Also while I was at the game I kept seeing the drone they used for the over head shots. Great idea. I legit thought it must have been someone just messing around, cause there's no way TSN would be that innovative. Happy to be proven wrong.
You are wrong on a lot of accounts. Rod Black is great! Watch last nights preseason game for the nfl? same stuff. You people whining about yard and distance and one liners. lol i dont even know what to say.
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3 hours ago, TBURGESS said:
I didn't think that TSN did a good job at all. They still do interviews and ignore the game. They make comments like Collaros was really close to the LOS on the 50 yarder then don't show replay's. They talk over the refs calls. They go to ads then come back after penalty calls and don't bother to explain the call or the outcome. I didn't much like the new graphics either. The slider looks like the old 'flag' slider that indicated penalties.
TSN is still bush league IMO.
That has nothing to do with the production of the game. People get on Rod Black is tiring already. As long as you have a voice for tv or radio that is good enough. People bitching about what he says or a mistake here and there is just dumb. Ever watch NFL or MLB or NHL? Mistakes are made all the time.
Dennis Beyak sucks cause of his voice and has no personality. Curt Keilback was great cause of his powerful voice.
Don Wittman was great cause of his low key voice that spoke fast with the play. And he just looked cool.
The new camera was surely a plus
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Watching the replay on TSN late at night 2am.... I notice what others were saying across the globe about the production value. Heard many praising the new look so off the start watching the replay I notice the over the field camera being used very well which might be a first for a regular season game. Normally its not used until Grey Cup. Not sure if this will be at every game or once a week during the season. The new TSN graphics is a nice change and refreshes the look, including a new score bug.
Grey Cup banner was a bit of a disappointment. Really no ceremony and the banner itself is more like a sign. Not having an individual (11 banners) is not a good look. Having it hanging from the rafters is really the only choice and it could have been done like other NFL or MLB stadiums which they use a harder material so it doesn't blow all over and take a beating.
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Blue Bombers screwed up with the tickets from the wallet or the traditional barcode ticket. It was reported here and by the bombers that the barcode was not the ticket. Well they were wrong. Same as always, just show the barcode and you are good
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collaros was a bit rusty in his throws but he can throw the ball with the best of them in both NFL and CFL. Just hope he fits our offense and stays healthy.
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Andrew Harris is my neighbor. About 20 Bombers came over to my place. I would invite you but we dont wear masks