M.Silverback

Nichols/Streveler - Bombers QB's 2020. Pro: They are both experienced CFL QB's and can win games in the CFL . One very experienced, the other less so. And as is proven every season, teams need more than one QB. Every starter has and will miss some games. So having two QB's that can truly start is really the smart move. Con: Neither one is an elite QB in the CFL. Many questions, but, the big one is do you need an elite QB to win a Grey Cup? Certainly helps. If BLM wins this year provides more evidence to this. But, the only other truly elite QB in the CFL won't be in the playoffs. For the second year in a row. Another question is salary. If Nichols wants close to elite level money, I'd say you can't do it. If Streveler wants close to mid tier money - Harris, Fajardo - I'd be really hesitant. Especially since you might be able to get Arbuckle or Evans for around the same amount. Many questions. Which all may be solved when Zach lights it up the next three games and takes to the Grey Cup 😅!!! We can hope, right?

I think Masoli is a free agent. Not sure Hamilton will let him walk. Would you consider him? I think I would, depending on the price.

True. I'm sure they hash things out and come to some type of consensus or disagree but commit position. I'm guessing that sometimes though arriving at the point of lockstep may be a bit rocky. Perhaps O'Shea lobbies for certain players longer or harder than maybe Miller and Walters, certainly the fans, would like.

Wonder which receiver sits with Adams back in the line up - Whitehead or Bailey. My guess O'Shea will sit Bailey. I'd sit Whitehead. According to a "CFL Insider" quoted in Kirk Penton's weekly column on The Athletic, " I don't know why (the Bombers) haven't played number 88 (Rasheed Bailey) more, but he's a good football player". Us too CFL Insider! But I guess you have not been introduced to Coach O'Shea.

Your post nailed it. To me a pro head coach should demonstrate loyalty to his players by not crapping on them in the media. If a player fumbles, misses a tackle, whatever, as a good pro head coach you don't use that as an excuse to dump on a player publicly. It's a team game, lots of chances to win, he's a key member of our team blah, blah, blah. But, I'd tell all players behind closed doors enjoy every moment of being a pro athlete because it can end very quickly. Injuries, contract issues, or performance. If another player can perform better than you, they will play. Period. Happens to every pro player at some point. At some point some QB will be a better option than Tom Brady. O'Shea seems very reluctant to give that message to players. Makes me wonder what happened with Drew Willy all those years ago. Did Kyle Walters pull rank and tell O'Shea that Willy was done?

Agree. How about, "Streveler is injured, but we're going to see how much he improves over the next day or so and make a decision." It's like he's implying that what everyone saw (Streveler clearly injured) never happened. Baffling.

It would be a great Bombers type story. Collaros goes on a run, wins against Calgary, wins a playoff game, narrowly loses Western final, then we spend the entire winter debating whether we should pay $600K per year and lose our first round pick to sign a guy with a history of concussion issues based on three games. It's so us!

Practice? We're talking about practice? Strev don't need no practice!

Amen! I love Harris. But if our offense is going to be run based, why not also use another RB who produced when he was in? The RB platoon approach like many NFL teams use. Keeps Harris fresh. Keeps the defense thinking. Line up both in the back field a few plays. Offset I; split backs. Something!

Ha! So true. My current fault ranking (which changes daily) 1. O’Shea 2. Lapo 3. Joe Mack 4. Buzz 5. Hall 6. O’Shea again but from 2017 and 2018

Me - Collaros 100%. QB job is wide open as far as I’m concerned as fake head coach. Not hating on Streveler. But if he gets beat out by someone else that’s pro sports. And Collaros was (key word) a legit top tier QB in the CFL. Wouldn’t bet my mortgage on it happening again, but wouldn’t bet on Streveler ever hitting that level O’Shea - he’d go back to Streveler. “Gives us the best chance to win”

Yup. That is why BLM gets the $$$. Because having an elite QB is pretty much the most important thing. Something the Bombers haven’t had since ... ?

“Strev is tough. A real competitor. So when he said he was good to go as long as he could play the game seated on an electric scooter I said put the ball in the front basket and get out there with your teammates.” Mike O’Shea - post game. October 25, 2019

Probably. Makes sense. But a headshot on a QB? Even if he “ducked” (which implies he purposely did so which is nuts)? You’ll never win that challenge.

Some NFL writer tweeted the stats for coach’s challenges and coaches win somewhere around 10% of challenges. I can’t remember who but I’ll post if I find it. So basically from an analytics perspective it’s a waste of time

I used to scoff at people who would post that O’Shea is too much of a player’s coach. But now I wonder. You can’t be a jerk nobody wants to play for, and you shouldn’t throw players under the bus. But, you do have to be able to make personnel decisions even when it may hurt some feelings. He sticks with some players too long, doesn’t play some who perform better than starters (Petermann), and then leaves in an injured Streveler in basically a lost cause because he wanted to go out and compete? How about, sorry Chris you’re done for tonight. For your sake and the team. Thank you, but you’re done. It’s like he doesn’t want to have difficult conversations. That’s your job!

No I don’t. And there will be changes in our the off season. Has to happen

Gotcha. I for one did not question Nichols toughness. He’s had a lot of injuries, and that happens. And surgery to throwing shoulder would worry me as GM. But he’s tough, no question. People should watch some NFL films mic’ed up footage of Matt Stafford or Andrew Luck. Tough position to play, and tough dudes. They get killed out there

I don’t know if “you” is me or the collective. I don’t recall many posters saying to play Streveler because he’s “tougher” than Nichols. People said play him because he’s a much better athlete and can make things happen running. That’s where he’s better than Nichols. Both are tough. QB’s are the toughest players on any football team without question.

I believe you. You were there. But when it happened he basically couldn’t put weight on his leg. That’s not a shake it off thing. It’s not like it was half time in the Grey Cup. There were a few minutes left in a game we were likely losing. Let McGuire finish, tell Streveler thank you, and let’s get you healthy for next week

And “a little nicked up” is really downplaying what everyone watching the game saw. For a guy who’s a player’s coach doesn’t exactly speak volumes that he’s considering their overall health

Interesting. Thanks for the first hand account. Streveler obviously is a great competitor who would keep playing through anything. But a coach has to think of the overall welfare of the team and the player. Streveler could have been hurt further. Plus, is a significantly injured Streveler better than a healthy McGuire?

According to Ted Wyman form the Sun. Most of the beat writers said Streveler was really limping. It’s borderline negligence by O’Shea. Here's #Bombers coach Mike O'Shea on decision to send a clearly banged-up quarterback Chris Streveler back into the game for a couple of offensive series at the end of 37-33 loss to Stampeders on Saturday. #CFL

I have no idea what this means. Enjoy your evening

Ha! Okay. Like it or not football has moved to no headshots. So you’re dumb as a coach to challenge a clear headshot, whatever the intent was