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26 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:
Odd, I listen to the morning show on the drive and certainly whomever said Westwood can string sentences together is factually incorrect. The know it all part, well, if you are right, then its not really an insult and he's usually on the right side of the issue he's passionate about. People want their sports commentators to be very vanilla, I get that. The personal insults are hilarious though. Says way more about people to be THAT personally offended by Troy Westwood of all people lol I mean, really really really hilarious! hahaha
To each their own and its all just everyone's opinion, not facts.
However this morning he was actually stammering and saying uhhh, tripping over his words, for a good 5-10 seconds and I actually had to change the station as I couldn't take it. This happens a lot.
And I don't want him to be vanilla or care where his opinion sits as long as its an informed one, which I find he lacks. The Eugenie Bouchard example is a great one
Again though, differing opinions.
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Honestly don't care that much as I see pros and cons but would probably prefer TSN.
1290 has better production it seems, way less commercials and I just feel they'll be even better under the TSN banner going forward given the relationship with the CFL. Bauming is one of the best at reporting on the CFL right now as well I find. That being said, as other posters mentioned, Westwood is absolute garbage. He can barely form a sentence half the time and I don't find him insightful at all... and more often then not he has his facts wrong whether its names, stats, etc. He turns me off their entire show.
CJOB cares more about the Bombers it seems, I love Knuckles, and its not constant Jets coverage but it also feels old. Yes I get the nostalgia factor but that is also the fact that their main listener is over the age of 60. Where is the coverage going to go in the future? Doug Brown does come up with some good things but he can also be extremely arrogant, on the air and in person.
Now if Irving moved to TSN, they got rid of Westwood and they got the rights, I would be ecstatic.
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I agree with the notion that the stadium is a little over built at its current capacity and that the demand isn't there.
Then I remember that we build stadiums every 50 years in this city so you might as well build it bigger as who knows what the population will be in say, 2030! Could be the perfect size then!
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In past years people have ripped the Bombers for their bush league approach to players, fan experience, cheapness, etc and how this was a reason that no free agents wanted to come here. Therefore the points in this article (if true) are very relevant and do matter.
Yes winning is ultimately the main thing that matters and this group still has a lot to prove but one of the main ways we get better is to get better players. You get them by treating them the way this blog described.
If we kept losing good players in free agency because the organization treated them like garbage then people would be screaming about that.
All of this stuff matters
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On 02/22/2016 at 8:57 AM, Logan007 said:
I wouldn't mind if we opened into smaller markets like ND, SD, etc... I would love to have more then 9 teams in the league. The issue, like everyone has already stated, is the ratio. If you get rid of that ratio, that could possibly hurt lower levels of football for collage, university, CIS, etc... If there was a way to do it with the ratio, then I'd be all for it. Although I would never want them to go into a big area like St. Louis. As others have stated, I don't want to just have a football team in there for a few years just to have NFL steamroll it's way back in and take over. I'd like to keep it in smaller markets. You'd have to have some very smart executives that could convince the US to allow that kind of thing into their country. I'm sure it's not impossible, but the likelihood is a very low percentage that they'd be able to make something work.
I used to think this as well but after talking to many people in Grand Forks they really have no idea about the CFL. Weston Dressler was on Hustler and Lawless a couple weeks ago after he signed and they asked him what he knew about the CFL growing up and he said he knew absolutely nothing. Here was a football kid that grew up 2 hours south and played college ball at UND who was made for the CFL and he barely heard of it. With as much contact Winnipeggers have in GF (shopping trips, kids playing hockey at UND, business ventures, friends, etc) and they still have no interest or knowledge in the CFL... it won't work anywhere
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Murphy was the best candidate last time and if he would come here, you give him whatever he wants. Best young potential GM this league has seen in a long time. No way Calgary has the same success in recent years without him. The depth he has built is unparalleled.
I agree and hope he would come back but wonder if he would want to? I can't quite recall all the reasons we got rid of him (was he also part of the video taping/spying incident?) but I wonder if there may be some bad feelings towards the Bombers from him?
Plus if Huf does want out of Calgary he may be in the perfect spot already to take over as GM
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Rumour of Chamblin being fired-
Peterson: Thats ridiculous and preposterous. How could anybody think of such a thing
Rumour of Huff to the Riders-
Petersen: Now it's just a rumour, but I love where this is going.
Ha, I thought the same thing. He gets on his high horse and calls out the Winnipeg reporters last month but because he loves this rumour he runs with it. But covers his bases by saying "I caution you, it's just a rumour"
Also loved that when the firings did happen last week he went out of his way to still say the it didn't validate what Lawless and Penton we're saying a month ago... cause it wasn't true then and happened two weeks after they said it so doesn't count.
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When teams are really good they tend to stick around and win a couple of grey cups in a decade. Let's just say I totally agree that winning once per decade is reasonable in the CFL, which the Bombers have actually done. It's just that those little dynasties create droughts for someone and unfortunately WPG is the victim right now.
Yeah I would agree with that for sure, Eskimos with Warren Moon won like 5 in 6 years or something so everyone else had a drought during that time.
However I don't think those Grey Cup droughts should equal seasons like we've had the last 10 years. Sorry to keep using the Stamps example but I don't think everyone expects them to win the cup every few years but they do expect them to be competitive. I wouldn't call them a dynasty by any means but they're almost always good, and have been for the most part of the last 20 years
I just want some hope and not know that the season is over by week 6 every year
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It simply isn't. If you're drawing lottery balls then yes, but there's more to it.And of course my answer assumes that we win at least one Grey Cup every 5-10 years!
I think that would be realistic in a 9 team league
Well for sure and maybe every 5 years is aggressive. But should we expect one every 10 years, I would say yes.
That's what a franchise like Calgary expects and has been doing for the past 20 years... again that's the type of franchise I want.
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2004 7–11
2005 5–13
2006 9–9
2007 10–7–1
2008 8–10
2009 7–11
2010 4–14
2011 10–8
2012 6–12
2013 3–15
2014 7–11
2015 3–7
You know what.. It doesn't bother me that we haven't won a Grey Cup in twenty four years, what bothers me is that we havent even been remotely competitive in the past eleven seasons. We've had two winning seasons in those eleven years, and in those two winning seasons we had 10 wins. a 10 win football club is an average team in my eyes and we've barely even hit that level of mediocrity.
This.
This is why the next generation of fans are apathetic to the Bombers and see them as losers. No one under the age of 20 can realistically ever remember a Bomber team that has won more than 10 games in a season... which is at best mediocre like you said
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And of course my answer assumes that we win at least one Grey Cup every 5-10 years!
I think that would be realistic in a 9 team league
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As much as a Grey Cup win is needed and it's very tempting, I myself would say no.
I want to have sustained success and be a franchise that people look to as a perennially strong football team, like Calgary for instance.
I know that Grey Cups are obviously the goal but lets be honest, its not realistic to think we'll win it every year... I just want to know that we're almost always in the conversation like the Stamps.
They have changes, injuries, free agent defections, etc but they still put a winning product on the field year in and year out. That's what I want.
To use an NFL example, I want to be the Steelers or Packers and not the Browns who just always seem to fail no matter what they do, who they draft, etc (sorry to Browns fans)
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I've been to about 12 Grey Cups. I've travelled all over the country and sat in all kinds of weather to watch all kinds of teams I barely cared about play in the game. That being said, I don't have tickets to this years game and don't plan too.
There isn't one big reason I'm not going but the pricing doesn't help. To buy my seasons for the Coupe and take the wife and the boy (neither would have been pleased with being excluded) would have been $900. That's a lot of money for a family. We all have to make our own budgetary decisions and maybe others would have had bought the tickets. But one afternoon watching Hamilton vs Edmonton in potential minus 20 at almost the cost of half a trip to Disneyland didn't work for me. And that's coming from a guy who has spent thousands and thousands of $$$ so the CFL product over the years.
Had the tickets been $200 instead of $300 would I have considered it more strongly? Maybe. If the Bombers were a legit contender would that have changed my decision? Maybe. But neither is the case, and as much as I feel kind of guilty not going I probably won't.
I also don't have a lot of hope for some huge last minute walk up. I think people have made their decision. You'll probably see corporations and sponsors buy a bunch of tickets to make it respectable. But with the Bombers and Riders all but out it won't be regular joes.
Then again if they land the Biebs for half time ya never know.
This is bang on.
My seats in Sec 103 we're $399 each so the thought of spending almost $1,000 when you add it all up (including the wife coming) to watch say Hamilton vs Edmonton in 0 to -20 degrees is something I just can't justify. And I love Grey Cups and been to 5 over the last 8 years or so.
Hell, we just went to Vegas for 4 nights and stayed at Ceasers and it cost us $1,500 all in. When 4 hours at a Grey Cup costs almost as much as a trip to Vegas I just can't do it.
I'll still attend all events...already have tickets to TD Manitoba, Spirit of Edmonton Breakfast, etc.
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Appreciate your optimism but today I don't share it. Maybe Waggoner does become that player you speak of. However, pretty clear that Walters over estimated the Canadian talent on the OL when he made that pick so he forfeited being able to draft in an area of absolute need to the point of desperation in the spring to get a linebacker. People rag on Joe Mack for his draft decisions. Why should Walters get a pass?Thanks to picking Garrett Wagoner in the CFL Supplemental Draft we don't even have a first round draft pick in 2016 now & we will probably finish second last ahead of the Riders with nothing to show for it. Or the Riders could go on a roll & we could have had the first pick in the CFL draft next spring. What wonderful protection our OL gave Willy the past 2 seasons. The Bombers management & coaches are just a complete cluster****.
Oh God, what an annoying comment. A week ago we were all praising Waggoner as being having future MLB written all over him. Now Willy gets hurt and we're ASSUMING we're going to finish last or 2nd last in the CFL, and that we blew it by picking Waggoner.
Sometimes, you have to go with your gut, and if you feel Waggoner has a great chance at being an impact starter, you go for it.
Complete clusterf***? Really?
P.S. What if Marve comes in and wins us a number of games? Is the Waggoner pick still a bad one?
I don't know if anyone is giving Walters a "pass", just a little early to be saying that Waggoner was a bad pick. Draft is an educated guess and Walters felt he's a better prospect then the OL prospects next year (who no one really knows much about any of them)
Not sure it's fair to criticize Walters for a draft pick made just 3 months ago.... because our starting QB went down in game 7 ....and now people assume our season is done...and we're automatically going to be picking first or second in next year's draft...
I know it doesn't look good but that's a lot of conclusions to jump to
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Wayne and Shuster was great but nothing was better on Canadian TV in the early 80's than Bizarre!
John Byner was hilarious. And it would never be shown on TV nowadays
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I think everyone has valid points and as was mentioned, hopefully we don't get to see either of them play.
The one thing I will add about Marve "making things happen" or "moving the ball" when he has played, I think he's been a little lucky in his small sample size. I saw a number of throws last year (Calgary game comes to mind) where he threw across his body and back towards the middle of the field that we're narrowly missed by about 2 inches by the defenders. They were not smart throws and 9 times out of 10 they get picked off, and if 1 or 2 of them had been this wouldn't be much of a debate at all
As well, everyone see that failed 2 point convert a few games ago.... where the ball went backwards as he tried to throw the ball?. Sure its one play and those things happen but if Brohm did that people would be using that as another example of him sucking...why not then for Marve?
Again, not saying Brohm is better than Marve and Brohm deserves a lot of the grief he is getting. It's just that Marve has not shown any amount of great quarterbacking in order for him to be seen as any kind of saviour
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I noticed that too about Picard's snaps. Most times they seem to kind of float half way between him and Picard and Willy has to go and grab it
It never seems to get snapped directly to him... just kind of in no mans land
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Willy's injury of course was the main story all week however I'm just as worried about Moore being out. What are thoughts on Veltung taking his spot? I haven't seen much of him other than as a returner and I'm not sure he'd be on the team if not for injuries in training camp.
BC also has a pretty bad D so hopefully we're not impacted too much....and right now play calling is probably more of an issue than who is actually playing
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Well I'm about to be 40 next week (going to Vegas!) so I grew up with the success of the 80's and early 90's and it did spoil me to a certain degree. It went down hill quick after Reinbold took over and honestly, that was probably the worst time I ever remember over the past 30 years. This 2-2 start, while still a work in progress, has lots to be hopeful about
As for thoughts on long term, my concern is for the team in that people under the age of 25-30 know nothing but the Grey Cup drought and also being the worst team a lot of those years. This is more of an opinion but I notice when I talk to the majority of people in that age group they don't have the same passion for the Bombers (not you Mike) and I wonder if that's part of it... they don't have the good memories to fall back on. Most of under 30's at a game are there for the Rum Hut it seems
I don't blame them for not winning a Grey Cup in 23 years, as was said it's a lot of reasons (some their own fault, others bad luck). I just think it does have a cumulative effect to a certain degree and it's tough to shake that loser stigma. If someone has always grown up with them losing, can they ever get that passion ingrained in them or will they always see them a certain negative way?
That being said, I know if we win one soon they'll all jump on the bandwagon and claim they were always there (see 6 hours west of us)
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All I Know is I would rather my team lose by 10 but play a decent game, the other team just played better. Losing by 1 point because of 4 turnovers, a missed extra point, boneheaded decisions by players, blocked kick, etc infuriates me.
As was mentioned, any one or two of these 8 dumb things doesn't happen and we probably win
We beat ourselves and an opportunity was given away
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I put this is one thread already, but it is appropriate for this one as well...
More important question, is the show any good?
Show isn't bad and has potential. It's kind of like a football version of Entourage
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While it's great to see the Riders lose, I keep just remember the 7-1, 1-7 billboard season. I'm not going to get excited about anything until after the Banjo Bowl, let alone 3 measly games.
The Bombers seem to regularly start out well, only to steadily decline all season long. And we also regularly see other teams start out terribly only to completely turn their season around. See the BC Lions when they beat us in the last Grey Cup we were in.
Agree 100% and I'm a realist so lets wait and see.... but it's still fun to see them panic and go crazy deciding on who should be fired first!
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CFL News @CFL_News
After each loss, Chamblin has proclaimed that his club is thisclose to coming out on top and winning games. #CFL #Riders via @sportscage
God did we ever hear that so many times here in recent years. Not with Tim Burke as coach but with Lapo and last season.
And over at RiderFans some are already bringing up the fact the Bombers lost 9-10 games by 4 points or less a few years ago.... hopefully that leads them to the same 4-14 record!
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Thanks! I was 9 in 1984 and was already watching for a couple years when that Grey Cup sealed the deal forever. I knew nothing but general success for my formative years and it was great, including that awesome pick 6 by Battle in the 90 Grey Cup!
I think my first real despair came in the playoff loss in Edm in 96 and then Cal Murphy getting fired...
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I "heard" from someone in the industry that they don't like each other and I of course have no way of proving that, but it seems to come through in their interactions.
Maybe I'm just looking for it now since I heard that but it seems they get irritated with each other easy, especially Westwood in regards to Toth.