Dragon37

With Hardrick back and continuing with 3 import receivers Flanders will sit. I don’t even know why they even played him last week when they totally misused him and his skill set. Personally, I would like to see Thompkins sit and Petermann and Flanders on the starting roster.

To be fair though Winnipeg isn’t the only team that does this. Dickenson does it with Bo. Trestman has done it with almost every QB. Berry did it with Glenn in 2007. Campbell does it a ton with Harris. I, for one, have long believed that if your starter hits a wall or if a game is decided one way or another throw your #2 in because you never know when he may actually be needed to start. No better example is needed than the 2007 Bombers. Berry had more than one chance in the last few games to give Dinwiddie some meaningful reps and he didn’t as a result when presented with a a choice of rushing for a first down or throwing the win away he threw the ball into a trap and the one sure GC win died. Right now, Hamilton, Ottawa, and Calgary are risking the same scenario and we all have known for 5 years that O’Shea would rather watch the team flounder than pull QBs or most of his starters out than actually develop the young guys. While I disagree with most here about starting Streveler I am all for him getting more meaningful reps in the game. I also don’t agree that the QB alone is our problem. I have some other theories but not being a fly on the wall in the dressing room and what not they remain theories.

Get what you are saying and I don’t doubt that you indeed know people personally that do this but I would have to assume that you don’t know everyone here personally so you can’t assume that all us folks that are pessimistic aren’t at every game cheering the Blue on. I wouldn’t doubt there are fans here that don’t or can’t go to games. Are they less of a fan. Fans can be fickle creatures. Look at BC their crowds are tiny but they have mostly been a good team. Look at baseball and how fast the audience thins out as teams drop out of contention. I would even the Goldeyes don’t pack them in like they used to. Getting back the the Bombers, it isn’t a cheap night out so I fully understand that people don’t want to come if there is doubt about a win. Certainly I enjoy the game a lot more when they are winning. Heck until the Jets were gone a lot of the supposed Jets fans weren’t at games. I say let the fans gripe if they want. It certainly you know you are faithful who cares what others do? Let’s direct our efforts to find ALL the team’s weaknesses and imploring our club to try and change for the better.

Understood. I was just hoping to head off any more ill will I don’t know TheSource personally and I can fully understand making judgements on the person based on the posts God knows I’ve done it. For all I know you may be right but I would like to hope you are not. It sucks to have fan against fan let’s hope that the Bombers pull out of this funk and prove the more optimistic fans here right. I have absolutely no problem eating crow

Who doesn't want them to turn it around? Some of us though just can't see it at the moment. I know it gets frustrating but always questioning who is or isn't a fan is just not productive. Walk away or respond with your reasoning to the contents of the post. It is way more satisfying. I know folks here and other forums have accused me of not being a fan in the past and it hurts because when my father and got our season tickets again around 2003 I haven't missed a game. We also had season tickets for several years before and attend plenty of games in between. We went to all home playoff tilts even the one where what was it 12000 and change showed up. Yeah I get negative but it's frustration talking and what also fuels that is not only the accusations that I am not a fan but the failure to look deeper into what problems there are and see if we cannot agree on how the team should proceed. yes we are not always going to agree but dumping crap all on a QB, safety, coaching, or whatever isn't always the solution. I don't think we have all the right players, sure, and I agree Nichols isn't the Nichol of early last year. However, at the same time I see things that are not all his fault either because our back-ups have had similar issues. Or other facets of the offense that have little to do with the QB are fairly consistent. IS it just Nichols, is lapo, is some other flavour of the day? This is a team sport and as a team they have lost four straight and have been unable to compete for 60 minutes in all but one game this year and Nichols. Anyway, must end the rant and get back to work. I hope you all have a great day.

It all depends on the first half O and second half D. But, yes 10 point favourites is a bit of a stretch considering the last month and a bit.

At this point I think both Bombers and TO are going to be hard pressed to win 3. BC could but they need to be more consistent on offence and their D has to continue to be lights out. Saskatchewan needs offence to get them through but realistically they only need two more wins. BC, Winnipeg, and Saskatchewan are all one and dones at this point. IMHO

True. That’s why I would only rotate him in. Of course that won’t happen.

This will be an interesting second half. Waiting to see which offence will hand the game to the other. I call the odds even in this game both are pretty weak teams right now.

And so far they are 0 for 2, haven’t beaten a .500+ team, and BC is playing very well defensively and have a much more threatening set of receivers. The Bombers have to start walking the walk now because the rest of the west is currently jogging into the horizon. People talk about winning a few more games. Well they are gonna have to do better than that because BC has the upper hand right now and certainly will be winning more games.

That people think that Streveler’s few starts and limited play is a sign that he is ready to start. It looks like he has potential but his stats show he isn’t quite ready yet. I truly believe that throwing him out there now to try and salvage the season would be a mistake. You already know that if they did start him he will be playing with a playbook that is not designed to his skill set and he will be forcing the ball the same way Matt is now. Right now I honestly feel the coaching is insufficient right now and not specifically the players. Buck hasn’t been able to try and get the QBs to relax and not take the onus of winning all on their shoulders and Lapo, O’Shea, etc are not able to adjust at the half or on the fly to the other team’s play. If the second half of the last game isn’t proof then I don’t know what is. This team has more deficiencies that just The starting QB. Receivers dropping balls, bad defensive penalties, breakdowns on special teams, etc. Dropping Streveler into a broken team that isn’t changing isn’t going to be the proper way to develop him. At this point asking and expecting him to carry the team to the gold is a mistake. If he doesn’t produce the W real quick then the fans will turn on him as they have on every QB we have had since Khari.

Yes. Powell overtook Harris yesterday.

Streveler doesn't scare anyone either in case you didn't notice he was 1 and 2 and passed for less than 200 yards in both losses and had virtually the same production as Nichols. The QB problem we have is coaching.

I doubt that we can beat that sorry assed Larks team.

Ya. Me and a few friends think that Nichols is more hurt than they are letting on.

Cover teams are better.

Is it that he’s crap or poorly coached. If the guy is not doing the things you want you bench him. They have replaced guys for reasons other than injury. So my assumption is Loffler must be doing what is asked of him. Same with our receivers and what they do when the QB is in trouble.

Seems a number of teams are in the same boat.

Probably the last Montreal team to win. If you have a rushing game working in November your chances of success grow. That being said our nice rushing numbers haven’t helped our lousy passing stats.

You need both to get the ring. Sask has a solid D but they really need to get their offence untracked. Their line is playing pretty good ball and they have some very good receivers but they don’t seem to get the ball consistently enough. I have to admit that I am surprised that the offence is so middling. No offence intended but I don’t see Sask getting to the GC unless they can get more production like they did in the Calgary game.

Thank you very much. I guess what concerns me the most is that the Bombers not having beaten a .500+ team. It’s not that I don’t think they have the players I just think we don’t have the leadership right now. Unlike many of the folks here right now I do believe that Nichols can take this team to a championship. In the last two games though the play calling and unchecking of Matt’s uncharacteristic move to forcing more plays/try to force production plays have been his undoing. That last game especially he was doing crap he rarely had been doing. Is he feeling pressure from the fan base/press or is it that there are other facets of the offence and the external pressure that have forced this uncharacteristic play. Our receivers seem to stand out amongst other teams in not giving our QB (either of them) targets when under pressure. We seem to have one guy short and the rest try and get open deep. The Bombers kept trying exploit off tackle with run when most production was between tackles. Why are the Bombers the only team that doesn’t run quick slants? Why is it that aside from Dressler the only guys that produce YAC yards are our young Canucks sitting on the bench? How is it that our oline would leave guys like Jefferson free to step back into a passing lane unchallenged? Why on the same play is it the guy 30 yards deep the only guy besides one OL the guys to try and chase down that same DL? Right now the QBs think they have to do it all themselves and that is why they are not producing wins, just a pile of turnovers. I also don’t absolve our defence. Yes, lack of second half offence is not helping but in few of these games they weren’t able to shut the other team down despite not having been on the field that long. I can understand a fourth quarter collapse but not showing signs of weakness in the middle of the third when to that point they have not been on the field that long. The Banjo Bowl is the only game since the Hamilton win that they stayed in the whole game. So, that is why at this time I think the Bombers are less in control of their destiny right now. That being said you are right they are still in the race with time to stay in the race. However, they are going to have to really stir the pot and change direction quickly because two more losses and they will be in serious doo-doo.

Sigh. Why do people always resort to insults? Is your game always to incite flame wars? You really can’t come back with an actual argument? At least 17to85 argues the post content and not the person. If you don’t want to argue content with content kindly reserve comment. I have no issues with you as person so I expect that in return.

But they are not winning or showing they can. They are relying on teams to lose. They have zero control of their destiny.

How are they in control of their own destiny? BC is two down with two games at hand. (Granted they are not a great team) and Montreal and TO are just two games back. All three have beat clubs with winning records. Our team hasn’t even come close to beating one. Aside from Montreal all the other teams we play have winning records and have handily beaten us. In theory you are not wrong but we are already counting on teams to lose in order for us to move into the playoffs

You also have to consider Toronto, Montreal and Hamilton. BC and Winnipeg not only have to duke it out but they have to stay ahead of those other three teams.