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No..but they could be used as rotational pieces and as depth with experience...more use than our 2 Canadian dt's not named Lawson... I didn't say they as singular players are all world..but used accordingly and in tandem with our best guys...we would be better Woli and BOLO would help here...we let Sayles walk for money...hed sure be nice as a mainstay here...Dobson even with still some weak moments would make our line much better Lawler...nuff said...even legs...we could have freed up a DA spot...sure Castillo can make some long bombs...but also has bouts of Mr miss too... Cyril Penn...left basically cause why would he stay when his work basically gets pissed on by a coach who just keeps rostering the same ol same ol...he could have stayed here but folowed Goviea We let guys go with no viable plan B...or hang onto the belief some of the slugs and pylons we have kicking around are adequate...and they are not and hence here we are

Sterns would be a great option after a healthy Schoen and Lawler .. with Demski and Clercius. That's a receiving corps. But again, I have no interest in bitching about what can't be fixed. I love the conversation about where we go from here and fix it within this season.

J.jones not seeing the field at all didnt help...he played a lot the previous game and helped immensely...didnt see much of him last night...why is the question Been saying for several yrs...our roster management....player reps and utilization of our guys for best impact has been wretched Also I stand by my claim osh is heavily Canadian biased...and it hurts us...reason why too he won't utilize rules afforded to him...he doesn't like them...and was outspoken against them when originally implemented...talk about not putting team first over your bias...

So you'd cut Adams/Woods, Person and J Jones for those 3? I wouldn't. Can complain about how they are using Americans on D...but those 3 in Hamilton as players are nowhere near being impact players. Average is probably overstating their impact on D...both here and now half a season in Hamilton.

Kelly looked lost.......

@DTonOB you have some defensive rep numbers for our DA's? I know Vavals will be squewwed as he was an injury replacement but curious on others..and not including goaline/shortyardage reps as they basically just a body What kinda reps did CGY's DA's get in comparison?

If sterns is our best..we in a world bad...hes good if we had 2 other imports as tha marquee guys and he has his role...but as your numero uno...ouch

Ok Sterns, am I wrong that if he's your third American receiver, you're ok but more than that and your hooped?

No Kelly was in from the start. Bonds didn't go down until right before half. They were essentially playing two deep safeties to shake up VA and try to negate the explosives. They had Griffin playing more LB style SAM than DB style. Worked for a quarter until they started running single verticals and posts at Kelly's side as an adjustment.

They essentially use 2.5 American spots on D for special teams. And our kicker is American too. And our best American receiver is probably Jerrith Sterns.

I’m confused as to why Kelly was on the field so much. Was he the dime? Was this always the plan or what the bombers had to do when Bonds went down and Vaval went in for him?

I track it series by series, not as precisely as DT. Probably the last game I'll be able to do it though because my season starts this week. Kelly played basically that entire game...him, Kramdi and Griffin essentially functioned as the WIL/SAM/Safety but not always static in position. Griffin most likely to be in the box or blitzing. We had a lot of snaps with 4 Canadians on D. Most with 3, some with 2. We are starting 6 Canadians on O. So we only need 1 Canadian on D. Now if we have Canadians who are better than our Americans...ok. Not sure Kelly is that. Not sure Thomas is that. Also no reason to start 6 Canadians on O if we're going into a game knowing we're going to play Jake Kelly the entire game on D. But...not sure who the Americans would be we have ready to go. Allen is an obvious one, Woodbey would be one but we're kind of loaded where he would fit in...but might be more useful than Ayres being able to play 2-3 spots on D. Don't think we have anyone on O ready to go aside from Vanterpool when he gets healthy. We don't have enough American players....which is a huge indictment on the past 2-3 training camps.

@JuranBoldenRules, do you track defensive snaps? That's some interesting commentary in regards to how much our linebackers are playing. It would be interesting if the CFL had data available for yardage given up by DBs when they are the primary cover on a player. I know it exists in the NFL. By the eye test, Bonds, Vaval and Kelly have all been targeted.

I counted nine Canucks "starting" according to the depth chart. If I recall correctly, that's more than required and we've been doing this for years. Well, it doesn't appear to be working this year. Why the coaching staff doesn't even attempt to take advantage of the existing rules is very frustrating for me as a fan.

They as a collective are markedly better

Well and if you insist on Canadians at dl, then don't waste time with a Canadian in the secondary. If you want a Canadian safety then all American on DL and get a ferocious bunch who can terrorize a qb.

Agree with most of your suggestions but as far as the O-line is concerned, GET KOLANKOWSKI THE HELL OUTTA THERE and that alone will improve the line dramatically, and similarly, Thomas is has been a liability for a couple of years, so out he goes. Ain't gonna happen so long as O'Shea is head. coach

Yeah Thomas isnt reason...but he has no business on roster...and won't ever give a tide changing play or any impact...factor in zero upside now...no relevance...why he playing...he just taking reps away from better players and blocking up development of youngsters with upside...there several guys on the roster doing that OC guy has no clue on how to create let alone manage a pro playbook and his play calling and situational decisions are awful Too much buddy relationships here are clouding the proper judgement of decisions...

Technically we lost that game because replay gave it to Toronto and then apologized after the fact.

There are some who believe that rotational mediocre DLinemen Fox and Garbutt will lead the Ticats to the promised land.

Streveler has never been good at the wedge play. He hesitates and looks for a gap plus he's way too upright. He was bad last year too. We lost a game because of it in Toronto last season. If they are going to use him they need to use more of a veer, QB power/option/zone blocking kind of look out of pistol. It's insane to me to have him out there with no back, no even potential pass option, no motion across formation. In general I hate that look where everyone ambles up to the line of scrimmage, no handoff option, no pass option...D knows exactly what's coming and it's only going between the guards. Way too easy to defend. If they want to run the wedge, then it should be Wilson.

Based on my watching all of the Bomber games this season, I'm a bit perplexed as to why Wilson is not running the 3rd and short offence. Sure Streveler has been successful since he has been back, sort of. I think that he's missed maybe two including that big one yesterday. When Wilson was handling those duties while Streveler was out, he looked good to me, a very strong push. Streveler, to my eye, does not have the leg push he had before (still injury related?) Another OC mistake, IMO.

Yeah their average game is 31-27...so it's not like anyone on their D from here is lights out. If we're worried about Miles Fox, Tyjuan Garbutt and Brian Cole our heads are firmly planted in our asses. Those guys are not good pro football players.

Personally I think he'll have to come on to play boundary corner with Nichols at half. Kramdi at safety, Holm at field half, Lawson at field corner. Kelly as the dime I don't really think we should start Vaval, ideally wouldn't have to play him on D at all.

I winced every time I saw Thomas and Schmekel(?) together in the middle of the D-line. Putting them out together could be ruled a coaching dereliction of duty.