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Well he's probably pretty much there anyway... which based on game 1 ain't so bad....

I know he needs more reps but I'm just curious to get a better understanding on how much growth is still there with Strev until we know he has hit his limit and what you see is what you get with him.

Strev can so get ball out lightning fast and run tempo...ZC can't no more

Looking at the stats, Collaros is throwing it a bit deeper per attempt (9.4 depth yards vs 8.5 depth yards) but Streveler was way more successful on passes 20+ deep at a similar pace... against BC he was 4/5 whereas in Collaros' 3 games he has been 5/16 and has 2 picks. Kind of points to the fact that Collaros really doesn't have much going on those deep passes... the only QBs worse than Collaros percentage wise are Masoli (known to be cooked) and Shiltz and Crum... anyone clamoring for the good old days the actual started closest to Collaros is Brown at 37.5% (6/17)... there must be something in the water in Ottawa because all those QBs are terrible deep. Oh and I guess MBT is 0-9(!!!!!)

ZC needs game breakers and guys who can win battles and have big catch radius now...we have Clercius who is dependable and can battle...Demski who can be a game breaker when not beat up and having to win contested catches in traffic...and wheatfall who can be real effective...with help...hes still leaning and with the other crap we have..sterns and now Case...he not gonna get a lot of help...nor are those 2 guys gonna elevate ZC game But a Geno Lewis...Rhymes...Coxie..Dunbar...to name a few would have gave us and ZC a target he could utilize and make us better than scrap heaping White and Sterns...and just not using Mitchel for whatever reason they have...some guys just don't shine unless yhe lights are on...and we are the worst organization in league with giving fresh blood chances...and it's killing us

Yup I think you're onto something here. Right now with what we got we need to control the line of scrimmage, establish the run to open up the playbook, give ZC that extra steamboat to minimize him forcing it to Demski and minimizing him lobbing it up for hopes and prayers.

Yeah...originally I don't think the mental stuff was there...it will be now tho mind you I have a feeling he won't be seen until labor dayish now You can come back like he did but sometimes even tho "healed" it takes a good year once back to playing to get full range of motion...lose the tight feeling...build the neighboring muscles and stuff up...and was obvious he wasn't there Id be shocked to see him resemble what he was pre injury this yr...he may be done for yr even...which makes it more imperative that they gave Mitchell the shot now as he showed he can be a game breaker...we know what Case is...Sterns with lighter skin..less experience and likely less upside...parking his arse on the PR for a few more weeks would have made zero difference for his development...Mitchell needs the chance to show what he has...or we cut bait and bring some guys in

Following the herd with Lawler. 🐑

I also maintain that with better quarterbacking we might see more from receivers. I dunno but we really didn't see many people really bitching about the receivers after game 1. Just seems there's a real disconnect between what the team is bringing in vs. what works with collaros, yet they are so committed to collaros. I dunno feels like there's a turning point coming soon in terms of how things are being done.

Maybe the plan was to hope that Wilson doesn't catch on with the Jets and falls off quick... but that doesn't seem like a great plan

We're fans and most of us knew that there were risks with Schoen this year such as reinjury, slower start to the season, this being a working your way back year. So Walters has to know this. However his solution to mitigate this risk was to sign Mitchell who apparently is a slow learner who can only play one spot? Then he throws in discount bin shopping and poor recruitment. Walters did a poor job in this area this year. And yes, it pisses me off even more because its a home Grey Cup year.

Who?

So the mistake isn't so much letting Lawler go, it's not bringing in someone to replace him. I guess they thought Mitchell could do some of that, and we'll that hasn't happened.

I'm hoping there is a wide gap between them being prepared to them properly executing that preparation. 🙂

Vanterpool at T is a big one for sure. He took a big step forward this year, he needs to end up a T to stick though, and boy with age are we in need of the next guy up. I don’t think it’s mental stuff, he hasn’t been moving well. I think it’s physical issues. Yeah I think the knee is not where it needs to be. If he can get it to where he needs to be to start easing back in this year then that’s great. But given the time lost and snaps on a banged up body I’m not optimistic. If he’s on the 6, with 6 weeks in, I don’t think we have much chance of him being 100% healthy and back up to conditioning levels this year. Some chance sure, but not a lot. id love for us to do that, maybe vanterpool at T will help with run blocking. That should be the plan, but Calgary will be ready for the run too.

Let’s offset any worry we have with our receiving core/QB with BO bulldozing his way thru the Stumps D making them nice and soft. Control the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball and good things usually happen.

The calculus for sure isn't Schoen vs Lawler it is Schoen plus whatever they could do with the $120K difference vs Lawler. The big question mark was if Schoen could stay healthy and if they could effectively use that $120K somewhere... and it looks like no on both accounts.

Demski

I disagree that they should shut him down. I think that would hurt his rebound more than help. He needs to get on the field and play through the mental stuff until it's not there. You can't get that in practice/training etc. His knee definitely needs to be healthy for him to be on the field though. FTFY

finally ...we better not see any jake on the edge now....and yeah he better get a solid rotation....Like to see 3 ends and one of Lawson/Adams too....that could really free up some lanes for pressure....finally we have a true speed rush guy who also can over power guys Case....not shocked and a big meh...we can do so much better but we choose to just stay status quo Interested too in what Vpool brings at tackle yeah...Scoen isnt a write off....but yr one...not even a yr of recovery for a WR is just a real gamble....and even with no hiccups prob would have taken 2/3rds of the yr to truly get his mojo back...but we rushed him into 1A receiver slot and I think we got him hurt...I think he may miss weeks...and would be wise to allow him that...we really need to bring someone else in...2 guys really....and or let Mitchel get his shot in a game or 2....and if he doesnt light it up...cut bait...Also Sterns and Case are not gonna bring us to the promised land yeah...as I figured...coming off a injury similar to Strev personally...and then a second acl rebuild 2 yrs later as soon as I saw him land and his reaction...I knew he was gonna be out a while...if not for majority of the rest of yr...and why I said right from his signing that was a huge risk

Schoen was put on the 6. We're in trouble at receiver.

Shocked, but happy to see Person added to the roster. I hope he gets a good chunk of snaps to see what he can do.

I’m not gonna write off schoen for life. I think he can still be a very effective player, when he’s 100%. We are close to the half way point and he’s injured, and was a fraction of his former self to start the year. As such, I am basically writing off any expectations for him this year. I think we are a couple weeks away from the point where he should be shut down for the year so we can get what ever best he has left for next year and going forward. Yeah it’s been a lot of whiffs and not finding any in league gems. And that’s a huge part of success in the cfl. Previously, we did great at finding guys off other teams scrap heaps who were amazing. It’s a good point that we regretted letting Lawler walk then paid him then refused to continue paying him that sum. He did have two stupid off field mistakes, but you can’t think those would repeat. You’re right, that he’s mos’ boss and he should be reining him in and off setting his weaknesses. He has to be ultimately accountable for failing to develop mos further the last few years too.

I don't mind a GM letting a succession plan play out. Dobson out for Wallace is probably going to pay off over the short term. However, we are letting guys that were game changers like Grant and Lawler go without any real clear replacements. Grant, in particular, was extremely baffling because he was waiting for our call.

To be fair, Lawler leaving the first time didn't hurt the Bombers in the slightest. And it actually provided room for Schoen to get on the roster. But I agree....Walters work these past few off seasons has been going downhill year over year. Stove walks...not replaced to this day. Grant...now Lawler...ugh