I can't believe I am even making this Thread... 

 

But, it seems to have taken over the politics Thread so I figured we can hash this out here (though the way the conversation was heading about AGW, maybe it should have stayed in the Politics thread...

 

 

So here we go, let's have at it!

 

 

I believe there is overwhelming evidence in AGW and it is a vocal, self-serving minority of the scientific community that derail and muddy up the issue so we can not act in a constructive manner to curtail this global thread.

Edited January 2, 20233 yr by Wanna-B-Fanboy

1 hour ago, Brandon said:

I bought one straw for 5 dollars which was normally 20  😃 

Please tell me that it was laser engraved...

3 hours ago, wanna-b-fanboy said:

Please tell me that it was laser engraved...

Nope ,  it was a Kickstarter that was instantly knocked off in China. Foldable straw to take on the go.

https://www.france24.com/en/20190724-washingtons-potomac-river-hits-record-high-temperature

The Potomac River, which flows through the US capital Washington, hit a record high temperature of 94 degrees Fahrenheit (34 degrees Celsius) over the weekend -- as warm as bathwater -- following a major heat wave.

https://www.theweathernetwork.com/ca/news/article/wildfires-have-scorched-unprecedented-swaths-of-arctic-in-2019

Nothing to worry about, though... right? All just part of the "alarmist hoax."

1 hour ago, blue_gold_84 said:

https://www.theweathernetwork.com/ca/news/article/wildfires-have-scorched-unprecedented-swaths-of-arctic-in-2019

Nothing to worry about, though... right? All just part of the "alarmist hoax."

sadly, (plus 40 in France today, ice shelf the size of an American state becoming unstable)  it's too late to stop this, but fortunately, not too late do something to "mitigate" it.

As it stands, things look very very ugly, no matter what we do.

Edited July 25, 20196 yr by Mark F

"By measuring the amount of this freshwater, the researchers could estimate how much i

ice was being lost. The melt rates “were just crazy,” says Adrian Jenkins, a glaciologist from the British Antarctic Survey in Cambridge. According to his calculations, the ice shelf was losing 13 cubic miles of ice per year from its underside; back near the grounding line, the ice was probably thinning up to 300 feet per year.

“It was just beyond our concept that a glacier would melt that fast,” Jenkins says..........

...........Fricker and her team have found that from 1994 to 2012, the amount of ice disappearing from all Antarctic ice shelves, not just the ones in the Amundsen Sea, increased 12-fold, from six cubic miles to 74 cubic miles per year. “I think it’s time for us scientists to stop being so cautious” about communicating the risks, she says.

The retreat and hemorrhage of these glaciers “will accelerate over time,” agrees Rignot. “Maybe you don’t care much about that for the next 30 to 40 years, but from 2050 to 2100 things could get really bad, and at that point listening to scientists is irrelevant.” Yet after things get really bad, they could still get worse."

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2017/07/antarctica-sea-level-rise-climate-change/

 

No question, parts of the planet that currently have large populations, are going to become uninhabitable.

Edited July 25, 20196 yr by Mark F

A temperature of 42.6C has been recorded in Paris, the hottest in the city’s history.

 In late June the country experienced a record temperature of 46.1C in the south of France, however in terms of average temperature, the current heatwave is already hotter.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/paris-hottest-temperature-record-europe-heatwave-france-latest-a9019716.html?utm_source=reddit.com
 

Quote

 

a peer-reviewed study published this week warns that if we don’t reverse emissions trends quickly and sharply, we will see a rise in unprecedented heat waves that will “break” the National Weather Service’s heat index scale.

The researchers warn we will face extended scorchers more brutal than the United States has ever experienced before. In several decades, parts of Florida and Texas could experience a heat index for five or more months per year exceeding 100 degrees, “with most of these days even surpassing 105 degrees.”

America (and much of the world) will start seeing monster “humid heat waves” — where the heat index hits a potentially fatal 131 degrees — every other year by century’s end.

 

https://thinkprogress.org/call-it-the-trump-heat-wave-the-current-scorcher-is-just-a-taste-of-whats-coming-8fa8f1ad6f0f/

 

just read polling shows 70 percent of British people think climate change is the most important problem.

 

Edited July 26, 20196 yr by Mark F

After months of record temperatures, scientists say Greenland's ice sheet experienced its biggest melt of the summer on Thursday, losing 11 billion tons of surface ice to the ocean -- equivalent to 4.4 million Olympic swimming pools.

Greenland's ice sheet usually melts during the summer, but the melt season typically begins around the end of May; this year it began at the start. It has been melting "persistently" over the past four months, which have recorded all time temperature highs, according to Ruth Mottram, a climate scientist with Danish Meteorological Institute.

Two new studies that everyone should read.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0277379119302021

http://www.glyfac.buffalo.edu/Faculty/briner/buf/pubs/Schweinsberg_et_al_2019.pdf

both build on what we already new

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-01451-7

 

13 hours ago, pigseye said:

Two new studies that everyone should read.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0277379119302021

http://www.glyfac.buffalo.edu/Faculty/briner/buf/pubs/Schweinsberg_et_al_2019.pdf

both build on what we already new

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-01451-7

 

 

I counter that with two Studies that you should read:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-29032-2

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-18849-y

 

Which both support what you already knew:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-20504-z

 

 

 

 

Edited August 7, 20196 yr by wanna-b-fanboy

Global warming sure has made our summer lovely. Living in WPG im ok if our temps go up. But im afraid for winter. Lol. 

Edited August 8, 20196 yr by Goalie

19 minutes ago, Goalie said:

Global warming sure has made our summer lovely. Living in WPG im ok if our temps go up. But im afraid for winter. Lol. 

Yeah, but:

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2019/07/26/manitoba-cattle-producers-say-they-may-have-to-reduce-herds-due-to-hay-shortage.html

 

"Callum says producers might not sell off their entire herds, but downsizing could certainly happen.

He says producers are facing back-to-back years of dry conditions and will struggle to salvage the rest of the season.

Manitoba Agriculture’s latest crop report says hay and forage yields are “significantly below average” and at 40 to 60 per cent of normal."

 

 

42 minutes ago, Wideleft said:

Yeah, but:

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2019/07/26/manitoba-cattle-producers-say-they-may-have-to-reduce-herds-due-to-hay-shortage.html

 

"Callum says producers might not sell off their entire herds, but downsizing could certainly happen.

He says producers are facing back-to-back years of dry conditions and will struggle to salvage the rest of the season.

Manitoba Agriculture’s latest crop report says hay and forage yields are “significantly below average” and at 40 to 60 per cent of normal."

 

 

Well. I love my beef.

But if this reduces the heard sizes and drives the price of beef up so that people buy less...

Rib eyes once a month instead of twice. Yeah that works. 

1 hour ago, wanna-b-fanboy said:

Well. I love my beef.

But if this reduces the heard sizes and drives the price of beef up so that people buy less...

Rib eyes once a month instead of twice. Yeah that works. 

I hear what you're saying - just pointing out that although our part of the world will likely see some benefit to warming, there will be many casualties as well.  In this particular case, the first ranchers to go will be the small ones and I have never seen that fewer, bigger farms is beneficial to the environment.

1 minute ago, Wideleft said:

I hear what you're saying - just pointing out that although our part of the world will likely see some benefit to warming, there will be many casualties as well.  In this particular case, the first ranchers to go will be the small ones and I have never seen that fewer, bigger farms is beneficial to the environment.

Well when you put it that way, I totally agree. 

I was focused more on the balancing that might have occurred.

18 minutes ago, wanna-b-fanboy said:

Well when you put it that way, I totally agree. 

I was focused more on the balancing that might have occurred.

Totally got that.  It will be interesting to see what problems "solve" themselves, but will depend on everyone's' definition of a particular solution, I guess.  

3 hours ago, Wideleft said:

Yeah, but:

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2019/07/26/manitoba-cattle-producers-say-they-may-have-to-reduce-herds-due-to-hay-shortage.html

 

"Callum says producers might not sell off their entire herds, but downsizing could certainly happen.

He says producers are facing back-to-back years of dry conditions and will struggle to salvage the rest of the season.

Manitoba Agriculture’s latest crop report says hay and forage yields are “significantly below average” and at 40 to 60 per cent of normal."

 

 

Farmers losing money has no effect on the retail price of food. THey had no hay last year either, were shipping many animals, did nothing to what red meat cost at the grocery.

Edited August 8, 20196 yr by Mark F

Farmers should also get govt assistance to install sprinkler systems in their fields so they can grow in tough conditions. Personally i think indoor farming is the future. 

https://www.ctvnews.ca/sci-tech/july-officially-becomes-the-hottest-month-ever-recorded-1.4551659

When they are farming on the southern tip of Greenland again, like the Vikings did for 1000 years before we became abnormally cool, call me....

3 hours ago, pigseye said:

When they are farming on the southern tip of Greenland again, like the Vikings did for 1000 years before we became abnormally cool, call me....

So... you want us to call you when people are farming in Greenland like the vikings... Uh, ok... sure thing.

 

They are farming there already.

Edited August 16, 20196 yr by wanna-b-fanboy

57 minutes ago, wanna-b-fanboy said:

So... you want us to call you when people are farming in Greenland like the vikings... Uh, ok... sure thing.

 

They are farming there already.

And it's still not warm enough to grow corn like the Vikings did for 400 years, we're still about 80 - 100 years off from that but it will, with or without our help. 

https://www.ctvnews.ca/sci-tech/iceland-commemorates-first-glacier-lost-to-climate-change-1.4554687

Considering climate models are the be all and end all of climate science, this should shake even the most hardened believers,

Because the uncertainties are so pervasive, NASA concludes that “today’s models must be improved by about a hundredfold in accuracy” if we wish to make climate projections.

https://isccp.giss.nasa.gov/role.html#COMP_MODS

The IPCC has admitted there is a great deal of “continuing uncertainty” in the sign and magnitude of the cloud influence. Most models indicate a positive feedback (more warming), but this “is not well understood” and the IPCC scientists “are not confident that it is realistic.”

https://www.ipcc.ch/site/assets/uploads/2018/02/WG1AR5_all_final.pdf

NASA and the IPCC finally admitting what everyone suspected, the models don't work and shouldn't be trusted and used to base government policy on.

Won't get any air play so I decided to post it here, maybe some of you will have the courage to pass it along.