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The Star Trek Thread!

http://www.latino-review.com/news/star-trek-exclusive-trek-is-going-to-return-to-tv

 

So, GREAT news, Trekkers, CBS is looking to bring Star Trek back to TV.

 

The last we heard of a Star Trek TV series, was around 2006 before the Abrams movie planted its flag and destroyed most of what we knew (except Spock and - presumably  the plot of Star Trek: Enterprise)  there were two competing versions: Bryce Zabel (writer, Dark Skies) and J. Michael Straczynski (Babylon 5, but I like crediting him as the good writer on The Real Ghostbusters) pitched a version called “Star Trek: Reboot the Universe” that actually made it online in PDF form.

 

The second was developed closer to the JJ reboot and was written by producer Geoffrey Thorne, novelist and writer on things like Leverage and Criminal Intent and was called Star Trek: Federation and was conceptualized with producer Robert Burnett, Bryan Singer (the X-Men director and producer of TV’s House among others) and Christopher (director of Mission: Impossible Rogue Nation). This other series wouldn’t reboot the Star Trek universe, but would vault it forward past the DS9 and Voyager series timelines into a far flung future where the Utopia Federation that we knew from other TV series had become boring and complacent.

 

Federation would have seen the titular group reduced to a mere peacekeeping force as the old ways broke apart. Vulcans withdraw from the United Federation of Planets and reunify with the Romulans, the Bajorans of Deep Space Nine would have also withdrawn and become a planet full of religious monks, like a “Tibet in space.” The Klingons wouldn’t be as warrior-obsessed anymore, but would instead be warrior mystics. The Ferengi would have a female Nagus. The Cardassians would have abandoned war and become an artist/philosopher race.

In essence, Federation would have advanced the timeline of the Star Trek Universe far enough in the future to re-define some of the characters that had been the same since the original series’ inception.

 

We don’t have too many details about the new Star Trek series CBS is going to get working on, but I spent some time filling you in on Federation, because it seems like the same people who made that pitch could be involved. Bryan Singer's name has been mentioned for the new CBS Trek as a possible Executive Producer through his Bad Hat Harry productions. While "Star Trek: Reboot the Universe" was invalidated by 2008's movie Trek, Star Trek: Federation still has a trio of enthusiastic producers, a script and a writer ready to go should CBS decide to give Singer the ahead to develop this new series. 

 

Robert Burnett is rumored to be working on a non-Trek project with Skydance Productions (Skydance worked with Paramount, McQuarrie and Bad Robot on M:I 5) and simultaneously keeping one foot in the Trek world. He's currently producing (one of the producers) a project independent of all previously mentioned parties,  Star Trek: Axanar, a 90-minute fan-made feature film about "The Four Years War," as mentioned in the TOS episode "Whom Gods Destroy." The film has scraped up and impressive cast and released “Prelude to Axanar” last year to show how this great venture can be pulled off on a fan-donated budget:

 

That’s the sort of Star Trek product Brunett can use as an example of how producing a reasonably-budgeted TV series set in the Star Trek Universe this day and age should be a piece of cake.

 

Back to our Federation three:

 

CBS is interested in Bryan Singer developing (and Singer reportedly loves Prelude to Axanar) and Federation co-conspirator Chris McQuarrie was still game for the project as of last December, if Twitter is to be believed.

 

As far as when to expect some sort of official announcement about who snagged the NEW Trek production job, that’s a bit tougher to predict.

 

Star Trek 3 seems to be the Trek Paramount would like us to focus on (Elba for Mogh of the House of Martok, right Simon Pegg?), Singer is only tweeting about making the new X-Men movie and McQuarrie is wrapping up the edit on Mission: Impossible Rogue Nation for later this year. The Star Trek: Federation story document still exists, though, and I’m told Geoffrey Thorne might have taken that treatment all the way to a pilot script before the project cooled, which would allow this show to get off the ground much faster.

 

For the sharp-eye’d Trek fan, all eyes are on Star Trek: Axanar (official site here) to show off what Trek on a budget can look like. If that can work and CBS can see it work, then we might get a riff on Star Trek: Federation. Either way, CBS is convinced it's a good idea to probe the idea of a Star Trek TV show, so TV Trek’s likely on the way.

 

I’ve been saying it since summer of 2005…

 

...no, I’ve been saying it since summer of 1990: There should ALWAYS be Star Trek on TV

 

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1 hour ago, The Unknown Poster said:

Yes. But the fact they created that debate is great. Classic trek 

i recall an episode of TNG where they found cryogenically frozen humans from the 90’s. Crusher revived them and Picard was not happy saying she should have left them dead. 

That was the first season of TNG when Picard was a old grouch who didn't like anything. They mellowed him in subsequent seasons or that series wouldn't have lasted very long with a captain pissed off at everything & everyone.

If only Voyager had a spore drive?

19 hours ago, FrostyWinnipeg said:

If only Voyager had a spore drive?

Damn thing is Star Treks sonic screwdriver.

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I just finished season 1 of Discovery. I'm enjoying it but it feels really different. 

Spore drive technology reminds me of the Force (both midichlorian and non-midichlorian variants). 

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19 hours ago, FrostyWinnipeg said:

A couple of good ones.  I recently watched L&O:SVU's early seasons and really liked her.

1 minute ago, JCon said:

I just finished season 1 of Discovery. I'm enjoying it but it feels really different. 

Spore drive technology reminds me of the Force (both midichlorian and non-midichlorian variants). 

I will say this, you cant really judge the show on that first season.  I liked the first season but it was a backstage mess.  Fuller really wanted to change everything and put his own twist on Star Trek.  By the time he was ousted, the show was already behind schedule and over budget so they pushed forward with a creative team that had to make the best of a show they didnt create.

In Season 2, they try pretty hard to overcome some of that and get the show back on track to being a more reasonable TOS prequel.

As I recall, Fuller's original idea (and, I assume, the logic behind the spore drive) was to make the show a sort of anthology where every season would see the Discovery warp to a new time period.

I dont let the modern look of the show bother me so much although some flares they didnt need like holo-communicators bug me a bit (they address them in the second season).  But two things really bugged me:  1) the critical plot point of Michael's betrayal of Phillipa & 2) how the show is shot, especially the space scenes.

On point 1, this one incident drives the plot but it was not nearly as dramatic as characters seem to refer it.  They literally blame Michael for the war when her actions had nothing to do with it.  And the idea of her committing treason was grossly over-blown too.  It struck me as....Fuller had an idea and the incoming creative team didnt want to run with that thread but it was too important to drop completely.  Just always bugged me.

On 2, the super dark, blue haze space shots and "unnatural" look of the ships bugged me a bit.  But they largely correct this in Season 2 with better shot space scenes and no more blue haze.

I'm liking this season a lot better myself. Didn't like the Klingons in Season 1 with their new look & still don't now. So, seeing less of them suits me just fine. I'm also liking the calm demeanor of Captain Pike through all the chaos. Not a big fan of the Sylvia Tilley character as she is just getting more annoying this season.

12 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:

A couple of good ones.  I recently watched L&O:SVU's early seasons and really liked her.

I will say this, you cant really judge the show on that first season.  I liked the first season but it was a backstage mess.  Fuller really wanted to change everything and put his own twist on Star Trek.  By the time he was ousted, the show was already behind schedule and over budget so they pushed forward with a creative team that had to make the best of a show they didnt create.

In Season 2, they try pretty hard to overcome some of that and get the show back on track to being a more reasonable TOS prequel.

As I recall, Fuller's original idea (and, I assume, the logic behind the spore drive) was to make the show a sort of anthology where every season would see the Discovery warp to a new time period.

I dont let the modern look of the show bother me so much although some flares they didnt need like holo-communicators bug me a bit (they address them in the second season).  But two things really bugged me:  1) the critical plot point of Michael's betrayal of Phillipa & 2) how the show is shot, especially the space scenes.

On point 1, this one incident drives the plot but it was not nearly as dramatic as characters seem to refer it.  They literally blame Michael for the war when her actions had nothing to do with it.  And the idea of her committing treason was grossly over-blown too.  It struck me as....Fuller had an idea and the incoming creative team didnt want to run with that thread but it was too important to drop completely.  Just always bugged me.

On 2, the super dark, blue haze space shots and "unnatural" look of the ships bugged me a bit.  But they largely correct this in Season 2 with better shot space scenes and no more blue haze.

I don't and won't have a problem with the tech. I get that ST was created in the 60s and this is 50 years later, so things will change. I'm fine with suspension of disbelief. 

I forgot about all the backstage stuff. Now a lot of the plot holes and complete twists and turns make more sense. 

I'm glad they didn't stay in the parallel universe. I never cared for Voyager because it seemed impossible that they could survive out there for so long in multiple combat zones. 

Michael didn't start the war but I think it's from a certain perspective. Only those in the "know" would have the details of her court martial and trial. So, I'm not surprised people spread rumours, yadda, yadda, yadda. Also, I'm not surprised that Starfleet would find someone to blame. 

I am, however, shocked and how easy it was for her to be pardoned. She knocked out her captain and tried to attack the Klingons, who they were not at war with. Anyhow...

 

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6 minutes ago, JCon said:

I don't and won't have a problem with the tech. I get that ST was created in the 60s and this is 50 years later, so things will change. I'm fine with suspension of disbelief. 

I forgot about all the backstage stuff. Now a lot of the plot holes and complete twists and turns make more sense. 

I'm glad they didn't stay in the parallel universe. I never cared for Voyager because it seemed impossible that they could survive out there for so long in multiple combat zones. 

Michael didn't start the war but I think it's from a certain perspective. Only those in the "know" would have the details of her court martial and trial. So, I'm not surprised people spread rumours, yadda, yadda, yadda. Also, I'm not surprised that Starfleet would find someone to blame. 

I am, however, shocked and how easy it was for her to be pardoned. She knocked out her captain and tried to attack the Klingons, who they were not at war with. Anyhow...

 

Yeah I thought it was weird they reinstated her to Commander.  I thought it would have been interesting had they simply reinstated her commission but busted her down to Ensign or maybe Lt.  Would have provided an interesting environment for her being a former first officer to have to answer to just about everyone on the ship (and add to her relationship with Tilly).

1 hour ago, JCon said:

I just finished season 1 of Discovery

Whew, you made it through one hot mess.

50 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

I'm liking this season a lot better myself. Didn't like the Klingons in Season 1 with their new look & still don't now. So, seeing less of them suits me just fine.

Pretty much the view of everyone. They said they would try to make them more in line to the post-TOS look but adding some hair still is not doing it.

45 minutes ago, JCon said:

I don't and won't have a problem with the tech. I get that ST was created in the 60s and this is 50 years later, so things will change. I'm fine with suspension of disbelief. 

I forgot about all the backstage stuff. Now a lot of the plot holes and complete twists and turns make more sense. 

I'm glad they didn't stay in the parallel universe.

 

Still think they would be better off putting it post Voyager.

They did stay in the parallel uni a long time but it was the best part of the season IMHO.

1 minute ago, FrostyWinnipeg said:

Whew, you made it through one hot mess.

Pretty much the view of everyone. They said they would try to make them more in line to the post-TOS look but adding some hair still is not doing it.

Still think they would be better off putting it post Voyager.

They did stay in the parallel uni a long time but it was the best part of the season IMHO.

I would love to see a post-TNG-DS9-Voyager timeline. Let's skip a generation and see what that brings us!

It may have been the best part of the season but only because it was the most focused. Usually, a parallel universe is best saved for when they run out of new ideas. They threw so much into those 15 episodes in season 1, I'm still spinning. 

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Just now, JCon said:

I would love to see a post-TNG-DS9-Voyager timeline. Let's skip a generation and see what that brings us!

It may have been the best part of the season but only because it was the most focused. Usually, a parallel universe is best saved for when they run out of new ideas. They threw so much into those 15 episodes in season 1, I'm still spinning. 

Well you will...Picard show takes place twenty years after Nemesis.

1 minute ago, The Unknown Poster said:

Well you will...Picard show takes place twenty years after Nemesis.

Fingers crossed Picard breaks out Kamin's flute. 

39 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:

Well you will...Picard show takes place twenty years after Nemesis.

I might be the only one thinking its the Kelvin-timeline Picard now.

3 hours ago, JCon said:

I don't and won't have a problem with the tech. I get that ST was created in the 60s and this is 50 years later, so things will change. I'm fine with suspension of disbelief. 

I forgot about all the backstage stuff. Now a lot of the plot holes and complete twists and turns make more sense. 

I'm glad they didn't stay in the parallel universe. I never cared for Voyager because it seemed impossible that they could survive out there for so long in multiple combat zones. 

Michael didn't start the war but I think it's from a certain perspective. Only those in the "know" would have the details of her court martial and trial. So, I'm not surprised people spread rumours, yadda, yadda, yadda. Also, I'm not surprised that Starfleet would find someone to blame. 

I am, however, shocked and how easy it was for her to be pardoned. She knocked out her captain and tried to attack the Klingons, who they were not at war with. Anyhow...

 

Remember the suspension of disbelief... ;)

They tried that with Enterprise & it didn't work. A lot of fans were upset the words Star Trek wasn't used in the title. Like as if complaint #4,236 wasn't enough.

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3 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

They tried that with Enterprise & it didn't work. A lot of fans were upset the words Star Trek wasn't used in the title. Like as if complaint #4,236 wasn't enough.

I didn't mind Enterprise at least it wasn't a soap opera like Discovery is. 

54 minutes ago, pigseye said:

I didn't mind Enterprise at least it wasn't a soap opera like Discovery is. 

I liked Enterprise as well. I never understood the negativity attached to that series. Fans dumped all over the series. From the name to the opening music, the writing & Scott Bakula's portrayal of Captain Jonathan Archer.

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9 hours ago, FrostyWinnipeg said:

I might be the only one thinking its the Kelvin-timeline Picard now.

The whole kelvin thing was a failure. Won’t go back to that. Plus Picard’s time shown in the kelvin films through flashbacks was prime era. 

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3 hours ago, pigseye said:

I didn't mind Enterprise at least it wasn't a soap opera like Discovery is. 

Welcome to modern tv story telling. 

7 hours ago, The Unknown Poster said:

Welcome to modern tv story telling. 

I am a fan of a self contained episode that touches on the season arc- it's pretty good storytelling. You get the immediate gratification every week of a one and done plus investment in the larger story and character development. Though- bring back to life the dude through the mushroom network... that was a bit bunk. 

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22 minutes ago, wanna-b-fanboy said:

I am a fan of a self contained episode that touches on the season arc- it's pretty good storytelling. You get the immediate gratification every week of a one and done plus investment in the larger story and character development. Though- bring back to life the dude through the mushroom network... that was a bit bunk. 

It wouldn't surprise me to see them cut back the amount of information in each episode in the future as they do not often allow time to breath.  Keep in mind, they had more behind the scenes turmoil this season when the show runners who replaced Fuller were fired after the first few episodes.  Sounds like they have stabilized now.

Their stated vision, though, was to be as cinematic as possible.  In effect, these episodes are like an action movie.  Its not as bad as, say, the Kelvin films because TV affords more time to tell the stories but I get the criticism.

Someone calling it a soap opera though...he obviously doesnt watch soap operas. lol

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