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The Star Trek Thread!

http://www.latino-review.com/news/star-trek-exclusive-trek-is-going-to-return-to-tv

 

So, GREAT news, Trekkers, CBS is looking to bring Star Trek back to TV.

 

The last we heard of a Star Trek TV series, was around 2006 before the Abrams movie planted its flag and destroyed most of what we knew (except Spock and - presumably  the plot of Star Trek: Enterprise)  there were two competing versions: Bryce Zabel (writer, Dark Skies) and J. Michael Straczynski (Babylon 5, but I like crediting him as the good writer on The Real Ghostbusters) pitched a version called “Star Trek: Reboot the Universe” that actually made it online in PDF form.

 

The second was developed closer to the JJ reboot and was written by producer Geoffrey Thorne, novelist and writer on things like Leverage and Criminal Intent and was called Star Trek: Federation and was conceptualized with producer Robert Burnett, Bryan Singer (the X-Men director and producer of TV’s House among others) and Christopher (director of Mission: Impossible Rogue Nation). This other series wouldn’t reboot the Star Trek universe, but would vault it forward past the DS9 and Voyager series timelines into a far flung future where the Utopia Federation that we knew from other TV series had become boring and complacent.

 

Federation would have seen the titular group reduced to a mere peacekeeping force as the old ways broke apart. Vulcans withdraw from the United Federation of Planets and reunify with the Romulans, the Bajorans of Deep Space Nine would have also withdrawn and become a planet full of religious monks, like a “Tibet in space.” The Klingons wouldn’t be as warrior-obsessed anymore, but would instead be warrior mystics. The Ferengi would have a female Nagus. The Cardassians would have abandoned war and become an artist/philosopher race.

In essence, Federation would have advanced the timeline of the Star Trek Universe far enough in the future to re-define some of the characters that had been the same since the original series’ inception.

 

We don’t have too many details about the new Star Trek series CBS is going to get working on, but I spent some time filling you in on Federation, because it seems like the same people who made that pitch could be involved. Bryan Singer's name has been mentioned for the new CBS Trek as a possible Executive Producer through his Bad Hat Harry productions. While "Star Trek: Reboot the Universe" was invalidated by 2008's movie Trek, Star Trek: Federation still has a trio of enthusiastic producers, a script and a writer ready to go should CBS decide to give Singer the ahead to develop this new series. 

 

Robert Burnett is rumored to be working on a non-Trek project with Skydance Productions (Skydance worked with Paramount, McQuarrie and Bad Robot on M:I 5) and simultaneously keeping one foot in the Trek world. He's currently producing (one of the producers) a project independent of all previously mentioned parties,  Star Trek: Axanar, a 90-minute fan-made feature film about "The Four Years War," as mentioned in the TOS episode "Whom Gods Destroy." The film has scraped up and impressive cast and released “Prelude to Axanar” last year to show how this great venture can be pulled off on a fan-donated budget:

 

That’s the sort of Star Trek product Brunett can use as an example of how producing a reasonably-budgeted TV series set in the Star Trek Universe this day and age should be a piece of cake.

 

Back to our Federation three:

 

CBS is interested in Bryan Singer developing (and Singer reportedly loves Prelude to Axanar) and Federation co-conspirator Chris McQuarrie was still game for the project as of last December, if Twitter is to be believed.

 

As far as when to expect some sort of official announcement about who snagged the NEW Trek production job, that’s a bit tougher to predict.

 

Star Trek 3 seems to be the Trek Paramount would like us to focus on (Elba for Mogh of the House of Martok, right Simon Pegg?), Singer is only tweeting about making the new X-Men movie and McQuarrie is wrapping up the edit on Mission: Impossible Rogue Nation for later this year. The Star Trek: Federation story document still exists, though, and I’m told Geoffrey Thorne might have taken that treatment all the way to a pilot script before the project cooled, which would allow this show to get off the ground much faster.

 

For the sharp-eye’d Trek fan, all eyes are on Star Trek: Axanar (official site here) to show off what Trek on a budget can look like. If that can work and CBS can see it work, then we might get a riff on Star Trek: Federation. Either way, CBS is convinced it's a good idea to probe the idea of a Star Trek TV show, so TV Trek’s likely on the way.

 

I’ve been saying it since summer of 2005…

 

...no, I’ve been saying it since summer of 1990: There should ALWAYS be Star Trek on TV

 

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2 hours ago, The Unknown Poster said:

I agree. I subscribe to the traditional time travel in Star Trek where changes to the past change the present, not the JJ Abrams "every choice creates a new universe".  So the question is, if the Defiant went back in time 100 years, why was the Mirror Universe technology equal to Prime Universe when Kirk and Co. crossed over in "Mirror Mirror"?

The simple answer is, it hadnt happened yet.  Mirror Mirror was episode 39.  The Tholian Web (when Defiant went back in time and crossed over) was episode 64.  So when Kirk crossed over, the past hadnt been altered yet.

A more complicated answer is that it still should be different because we saw Enterprise-era Mirror Universe from their perspective.  If Empress Sato kept the Defiant all to herself and did not allow any reverse engineering or research to be done on it, then the advanced tech would not have spread.  As soon as she allows others to control comparable tech, she gives up her advantage.

Sato could still be alive :)

 

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3 minutes ago, FrostyWinnipeg said:

Sato could still be alive :)

 

yeah...she could.  She'd be younger than McCoy was in TNG.  Speaking of, T'Pol would make for a great cameo.  She'd require less make-up and would probably be more interesting a character.

Good call on him being the Klingon and them going to the Mirror Universe.  I think you're dead on about him being from there.

Also, did not seeing one of the main characters like the doctor getting killed.

Just now, Logan007 said:

Good call on him being the Klingon and them going to the Mirror Universe.

Well Frakes the director spoiled it so not a big surprise. I'm surprised the Doc's death was not out there already.

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3 minutes ago, FrostyWinnipeg said:

Well Frakes the director spoiled it so not a big surprise. I'm surprised the Doc's death was not out there already.

Its a shame Frakes did spoil because I dont think anyone would have seen it coming in the first season.  Would have been a cool surprise.

3 hours ago, Logan007 said:

Good call on him being the Klingon and them going to the Mirror Universe.  I think you're dead on about him being from there.

Also, did not seeing one of the main characters like the doctor getting killed.

Lol I said the same thing to the girlfriend and her reply "he was kind of a hanger-on B character..."

 

 

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This is pretty interesting general news but probably impacts Star Trek the most 

Getting the two sides back together would allow for a cohesive creative vision 

On 1/13/2018 at 12:39 PM, The Unknown Poster said:

This is pretty interesting general news but probably impacts Star Trek the most 

Getting the two sides back together would allow for a cohesive creative vision 

Hopefully not the JJ version.

1 hour ago, The Unknown Poster said:

Great episode last night!

Yep. Quite the surprise at the end.

Meanwhile the other Discovery is roaming a friendly universe?

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55 minutes ago, FrostyWinnipeg said:

Yep. Quite the surprise at the end.

Meanwhile the other Discovery is roaming a friendly universe?

I made a joke that the good guys will be so desperate to get back and when they finally do, maybe they see that the Mirror Discovery won the war for the Federation! lol

Is it Sunday yet?

On ‎1‎/‎15‎/‎2018 at 10:38 AM, The Unknown Poster said:

I made a joke that the good guys will be so desperate to get back and when they finally do, maybe they see that the Mirror Discovery won the war for the Federation! lol

Plot Swerve. The Captain Lorca on Discovery is the parallel universe Captain Lorca who is using the crew & Burnham to kill the Emperor & become Emperor of the Terran Empre himself. 

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5 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:
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Plot Swerve. The Captain Lorca on Discovery is the parallel universe Captain Lorca who is using the crew & Burnham to kill the Emperor & become Emperor of the Terran Empre himself. 

 

Would have hated to have this spoiled if I didn't see the episode before reading the above...

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8 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

Plot Swerve. The Captain Lorca on Discovery is the parallel universe Captain Lorca who is using the crew & Burnham to kill the Emperor & become Emperor of the Terran Empre himself. 

Im surprised they did it because it opens up some issues.  Such as, who's Captain next season?

But it was ballsy.  And really interesting.  The cool twist is that its not a bad guy or at least we dont know.  Is he a bad guy trying to over-throw the Emperor to become emperor himself?  is he a rebel who wants reform?

They also have to wrap all this up pretty neatly because by the time of Kirk, there is no knowledge of the Mirror Universe and we know the Emperor of that time is a bad guy (because Spock ends up over-throwing him).

12 hours ago, wanna-b-fanboy said:

Would have hated to have this spoiled if I didn't see the episode before reading the above...

It's the DISCO thread, if you come into the forum on a Sunday night be prepared.

9 hours ago, The Unknown Poster said:

Im surprised they did it because it opens up some issues.  Such as, who's Captain next season?

But it was ballsy.  And really interesting.  The cool twist is that its not a bad guy or at least we dont know.  Is he a bad guy trying to over-throw the Emperor to become emperor himself?  is he a rebel who wants reform?

They also have to wrap all this up pretty neatly because by the time of Kirk, there is no knowledge of the Mirror Universe and we know the Emperor of that time is a bad guy (because Spock ends up over-throwing him).

Hate to miss Lorca as I like Isaacs. Peeps dying left n right on this show. Now im not sure if Tyler is Tyler or Tyler is fake Tyler but no Voq.

 

 

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2 hours ago, FrostyWinnipeg said:

It's the DISCO thread, if you come into the forum on a Sunday night be prepared.

Hate to miss Lorca as I like Isaacs. Peeps dying left n right on this show. Now im not sure if Tyler is Tyler or Tyler is fake Tyler but no Voq.

 

 

Why can't the parallel universe Lorca die replaced with the one from our universe?

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13 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

Why can't the parallel universe Lorca die replaced with the one from our universe?

They certainly can do that.  Its an unanswered questions, where is Prime Lorca.  One theory I have is that the crew being held captive (they killed one of them in front of Lorca) is PRIME Buron crew.  And the two ships traded places.  I seem to be in the minority with that opinion though lol

But for me, the issue is still similar.  If they keep Isaacs as Prime Lorca next season, we still get the wonderful actor.  But we dont get the really interesting character.  He would be different.  One other possibility is that Michael keeps his secret and we get Mirror Lorca forever.  But the preview for next week shows Saru addressing the crew saying its no longer Lorca's ship...so I assume she spills the beans to everyone and Lorca is considered a bad guy.

It would be more nuanced if he was a rebel and thus a "good guy" in the Mirror Universe.  We'll find out soon enough. 

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I thought this was interesting.  The screenwriter of the episode was answering questions and responded to one about the Emperor's name.  This is from Trekmovie.com

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“All Hail her most Imperial Majesty, Mother of the Fatherland, Overlord of Vulcan, Dominus of Kronos, Regina Andor, All Hail Philippa Georgiou Augustus Iaponius Centarius.” But what’s it mean??!?

When we began digging into the Terrans last year, I had just read a newer history of Rome and was excited to use it as inspiration. (SPQR by Mary Beard, check it out.) Here’s some of the titles Roman Emperors used: [LINK]

So into her titles: – Father of the Fatherland is easy, we turned that into Mother of the Fatherland (even tho we de-gendered Emperor, it felt right) – Overlord of Vulcan: an early conquest of the Terrans, they see themselves as their protectors. It’s paternalistic / delusional.

– Dominus of Kronos: Terrans are very proud of conquering Qo’noS. Dominus is a harsher title the Emperor at the time took as a result (and Georgiou kept for herself). “We OWN them.” Qo’noS mispronounced out of cultural chauvinism.

– Regina Andor: Andoria is a jewel in the Terran crowd. Subjugated warrior race. Early Terran conquest, pre-Sato. The title was created to celebrate this achievement. Now as for Georgiou’s many names…

“Philippa Georgiou Augustus Iaponius Centarius” Philipa Georgiou: her given name and her family name, just like Prime. Augustus: the Terrans see themselves as inheritors of the Roman Empire so their Emperors take the title of its first Emperor.

Iaponius is Latin for Japanese. This (in my fever dream) is a title Hoshi Sato adopted when she named herself Empress, to honor her homeland. “So is Georgiou descended from Hoshi!?” Well…

Hoshi was Empress. 100 years later, Georgiou is Emperor. Georgiou took one of Hoshi’s titles as her own to connect them. So Hoshi’s legacy as Empress must be good and Georgiou must either be connected to her in a chain of succession or might want to create that connection…..

But they have different ethnic backgrounds. Hoshi is Japanese, Philipa is Chinese-Malaysian. So I don’t think it’s likely Philipa is a direct descendant like a great-grandchild. Cousins is possible. More likely tho…

…whoever inherited Hoshi’s throne was someone she adopted as a child & heir, the way most Roman emperors did. And that Emperor adopted his/her heir, and so on, until we get to Georgiou. And she is proud of the connection and flaunts it with the title Iaponius. But…

…it’s not canon until it’s on screen so that’s just one writer’s opinion. As for Centaurius, I figured it was the first system colonized by the Terrans since it’s closest to Sol so it was a title the Emperor at the time took in tribute. Hope someone found this informative!

 

22 hours ago, FrostyWinnipeg said:

It's the DISCO thread, if you come into the forum on a Sunday night be prepared.

Hate to miss Lorca as I like Isaacs. Peeps dying left n right on this show. Now im not sure if Tyler is Tyler or Tyler is fake Tyler but no Voq.

 

 

me thinks that Tyler is dead and gone.. Voq is a humanized Klingon and his mind has been intermingled with Tyler's "mind" out of his brain by some crazy wizardry.

24 minutes ago, SPuDS said:

me thinks that Tyler is dead and gone.. Voq is a humanized Klingon and his mind has been intermingled with Tyler's "mind" out of his brain by some crazy wizardry.

The explanation of Tyler by L’Rell was thus...

"We harvested his DNA, reconstructed his consciousness and rebuilt his memory. We modified Voq into a shell that appears human. We grafted his psyche into Tyler's. And in so doing, Voq has given his body and soul for our ideology. "

Total confusion. When does Orville start up again?

 

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1 minute ago, FrostyWinnipeg said:

The explanation of Tyler by L’Rell was thus...

"We harvested his DNA, reconstructed his consciousness and rebuilt his memory. We modified Voq into a shell that appears human. We grafted his psyche into Tyler's. And in so doing, Voq has given his body and soul for our ideology. "

Total confusion. When does Orville start up again?

 

Please no Orville! Lol

2 hours ago, The Unknown Poster said:

Please no Orville! Lol

Orville, yes! Yes! Yes!! ;)

Getting back to ST:Discovery. I think they find a way to keep Issacs & make him interesting as well. here's a thought... Was Lord Garth from a parallel universe? He went from being an honoured & decorated starship Captain to a crazed, sadistic killer seemingly very quickly. He would fit into the other universe. Was he an invader? 

33 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

Getting back to ST:Discovery. I think they find a way to keep Issacs & make him interesting as well. here's a thought... Was Lord Garth from a parallel universe? He went from being an honoured & decorated starship Captain to a crazed, sadistic killer seemingly very quickly. He would fit into the other universe. Was he an invader? 

I do find it odd that Lord Garth is brought up from time to time re: Discovery. It's such a bottom of the barrel episode. Might as well reference the helmet of knowledge.

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