Lawsuits can & do happen....

There is no lawsuit that can win because someone said something on the internet. That's what free speech is there to protect. Now they could I suppose depending on what was said go in front of one of those unconstituational human rights commissions but those are a whole different discussion that is probably best left alone cause it'll get more than a few people riled up.

 

Libel laws still apply to internet postings. And there are limits to what is protected with respect to Freedom of Expression in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Free speech on a message board is a myth - you give it up when you agree to the terms of service that lets the board owner(s) and their appointees edit or remove your posts.

In a court of law the truth can be used as a defence. So if what you are saying is offensive, it still is legal as long as it is true. In the Kangaroo Court of our "Human Right" commissions, the truth can't be used as a defence. Nothing applies to help the defendant in those things, you are basically guilty when you walk in the door and the process is the punishment.

There is an interesting case of libel going on in the US right now - several publications and bloggers have called Michael Mann's global warming "science" into question, and instead of providing evidence to satisfy them, he is suing them instead for libel. This is what is known as a SLAPP lawsuit. In any event, in order to win his case, Mann will now have to prove that his work showing his hockey stick of global warming was in fact accurate and his data is solid. In all these years since his "hockey stick" projections of global warming went public, he has never released his data. If he does in fact do it, and the defendants prove they were right all along about Mann's work, the entire global warming industry might crumble, which it should, given it appears to be built on sand anyway.

Ice is melting at unprecedented levels in Greenland 27 feet a year.. The arctic is also starting to catch up.. We are something like 5 years ahead of nasa's doomsday scenario for melting ice and higher ocean water levels..

Woohoo.

(Courtesy of ViCE news)

Its funny how the mainstream media's idea of balanced and fair reporting make the non climate-change alarmists look like wing nuts.

 

And they always seem to insinuate that warming temps are ONLY man-made, have NEVER happened before and are IRREVERSABLE.  Like come on...  Temps have been rising since the 50's?  Weird about that Ice Age scare in the 70's & 80's eh?

Ice is melting at unprecedented levels in Greenland 27 feet a year.. The arctic is also starting to catch up.. We are something like 5 years ahead of nasa's doomsday scenario for melting ice and higher ocean water levels..

Woohoo.

(Courtesy of ViCE news)

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpEPyhqjRGg

 

15 minutes long. Despite how scary the prospect of sea levels rising is, this footage is breathtaking. Ever seen an apartment building sized chunk of ice fall hundreds of feet into the ocean? You can here.

 

Below, this picture is modern day Venice... every day, from now on, for as long as anyone posting here today will be alive. But hey, these guys are smiling, so why worry? It's not like the island nation of Kiribati is now completely under water or the island of Papa New Guinea has been split in two by rising sea levels. Someone else will surely come up with a solution to all our make-believe problems.

 

Here's a Winnipeg video with a take-off on the song "The Sounds of Silence" by Simon and Garfunkel.

A tribute to the frustration Winnipegers must be going through after the winter you've just had.

 

Written by Bartley Kives

Recorded by Kris Ulrich

Edited by Tyler Walsh

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=MoYrxmxFnio

 

Below, this picture is modern day Venice... every day, from now on, for as long as anyone posting here today will be alive. But hey, these guys are smiling, so why worry? It's not like the island nation of Kiribati is now completely under water or the island of Papa New Guinea has been split in two by rising sea levels. Someone else will surely come up with a solution to all our make-believe problems.

the problem is people who believe the earth has ever been or ever will be static. Climate has been changing since the Earth began, it is a dynamic system and it is always changing. It just happens so slowly we tend not to notice it until it's happened. 

And the way humans exist has been changing ever since we arrived on planet.  The last big change (the growth of civilization) was spurred by agriculture, maybe the next one will be spurred by climate change.

 

 

 

Below, this picture is modern day Venice... every day, from now on, for as long as anyone posting here today will be alive. But hey, these guys are smiling, so why worry? It's not like the island nation of Kiribati is now completely under water or the island of Papa New Guinea has been split in two by rising sea levels. Someone else will surely come up with a solution to all our make-believe problems.

the problem is people who believe the earth has ever been or ever will be static. Climate has been changing since the Earth began, it is a dynamic system and it is always changing. It just happens so slowly we tend not to notice it until it's happened. 

 

I fully accept that the world has experienced climate change long before man existed. I don't accept that man-made CO2 emissions have nothing to do with accelerating or exacerbating climate change.

I fully accept that the world has experienced climate change long before man existed. I don't accept that man-made CO2 emissions have nothing to do with accelerating or exacerbating climate change.

And I think one of the biggest lies perpetuated on us by the media and the government (US mostly thanks to Obama's gang of climate change nuts) is that our climate right now is being exacerbated by CO2. The world hasn't warmed in over 17 years. Severe storm numbers are declining, not increasing. But yet everyone walks around convinced that "the weather is getting weirder and worser every day". Total nonsense.

So venice is flooded?  So?  Guess what, the ice caps will melt.  One day, there will be an ice age.  And maybe one day we will have the technology to do something about it.  If I come to Manitoba during an unseasonable warm and dry summer and I build a house on the banks of the red river, who do I blame when the naturally occuring water level rises and floods my house?

 

Im all for being good to the environment.  I believe man has contributed to current CO2 levels.  I dont believe man triggered Global Warming.  I dont believe man can trigger an ice age.  We should all be responsible.  We should not let crazies like David Suzuki dictate our lives.  And Canadians should not be held responsible to sacrifice so that NOTHING changes while China polutes with impunity. 

 

 

 

Below, this picture is modern day Venice... every day, from now on, for as long as anyone posting here today will be alive. But hey, these guys are smiling, so why worry? It's not like the island nation of Kiribati is now completely under water or the island of Papa New Guinea has been split in two by rising sea levels. Someone else will surely come up with a solution to all our make-believe problems.

the problem is people who believe the earth has ever been or ever will be static. Climate has been changing since the Earth began, it is a dynamic system and it is always changing. It just happens so slowly we tend not to notice it until it's happened. 

 

I fully accept that the world has experienced climate change long before man existed. I don't accept that man-made CO2 emissions have nothing to do with accelerating or exacerbating climate change.

 

The point here is that rather than trying to worry about what caused the climate to change we should just accept that it has always and always will change and focus on adapting rather than wishing we could go back to a time that we can't go back to. This planet we live on always throws curves at us and as a species we always have to adapt. Right now we have been in a situation where developments in argiculture and industry and medicine have allowed the population to grow at a huge rate, with a bigger population comes more pollution of all types, especially as we keep trying to improve our quality of life. Eventually it was always going to catch up with us. We are an adaptive species though, we can adapt, people just might have to relocate themselves. 

Below, this picture is modern day Venice... every day, from now on, for as long as anyone posting here today will be alive. But hey, these guys are smiling, so why worry? It's not like the island nation of Kiribati is now completely under water or the island of Papa New Guinea has been split in two by rising sea levels. Someone else will surely come up with a solution to all our make-believe problems.

the problem is people who believe the earth has ever been or ever will be static. Climate has been changing since the Earth began, it is a dynamic system and it is always changing. It just happens so slowly we tend not to notice it until it's happened.

I fully accept that the world has experienced climate change long before man existed. I don't accept that man-made CO2 emissions have nothing to do with accelerating or exacerbating climate change.

the simple fact that smog, ash and pollution is actively landing on ALL the ice shelves on the planet, creating a dark blanket of sun focusing nastiness as opposed to clear, reflective glass is a testiment to our mark being left on our planet and not in a good way..

I fully accept that the world has experienced climate change long before man existed. I don't accept that man-made CO2 emissions have nothing to do with accelerating or exacerbating climate change.

And I think one of the biggest lies perpetuated on us by the media and the government (US mostly thanks to Obama's gang of climate change nuts) is that our climate right now is being exacerbated by CO2. The world hasn't warmed in over 17 years. Severe storm numbers are declining, not increasing. But yet everyone walks around convinced that "the weather is getting weirder and worser every day". Total nonsense.

*looks outside* yup, yer totally right. Smh. Tell that to the people in the midwest USA or texas and egypt who got more snow then ever before..

The weather has been getting more and more.sketchy in the last 5 years.. Now i realize weather patterns are cyclical in nature but where the hell are my crazy hot summers, mild winters and mellow spring and fall? 5 years later, im still.waiting lol.

Read The Coming Global Superstorm.  it's a good book about climate change leading to a new ice age.  It was entertaining.

 

Oh and Young says Canada has the "dirtiest oil on the planet", eh?  We should shut down our oil production and make deals with Iran.  Im sure they will have our backs.

I assume every one is aware that there is hardly any snow south of North Dakota?  That's why they're not forecasting a flood for this year.

 

So venice is flooded?

That was a picture from February when there was some flooding in Europe. Yup. Floods happen sometimes. Trying to represent that that picture is what Venice "looks like" on an everyday basis now due to man-made climate change is just plain fraudulent. And that's one of my biggest beefs with the man-made climate change movement, if the science is so solid and so strong that no one is allowed to even question it, then why all the lies all of the time? Why the hysterical hand-wringing and nonsensical statements of Armageddon after every storm nowadays? It's because of politics and money. The US spends $22 billion a year on "climate change" when it used to spend that money on stuff like helping the poor and space travel and innovation. Billions are being funneled into this crap due almost entirely to fear-mongering and lies. Is man-made climate change real? Ok, maybe so. Should the US government be spending $22 billion a year of money it doesn't have on it? Of course not. It's a racket, plain and simple.

the simple fact that smog, ash and pollution is actively landing on ALL the ice shelves on the planet, creating a dark blanket of sun focusing nastiness as opposed to clear, reflective glass is a testiment to our mark being left on our planet and not in a good way..

Not sure if this is actually true, but it does bring up a valid point about actual pollution vs fake politicized pollution. Particulate pollution as you describe is actual pollution, in that it is actually affecting the health and welfare of millions of people and causing deaths due to bronchial issues. I've traveled from Egypt to Cambodia to Burma and I've seen the air pollution in the third world, and it's not hard to see that it is causing deaths. The air in a lot of population centers just isn't breathable. They burn dung and wood, as well as garbage, and the air quality is terrible. Also, everyone drives two stroke engines that burn a lot of oil and of course a lot of unfiltered diesel as well. This is all stuff that could be cured with natural gas and cleaner burning engines.

Fake pollution is CO2 - it's a joke that anyone would call a harmless gas required by all plant life to exist a pollutant. Stop actual pollution and save millions of lives, then worry about fake bullshit pollution like CO2. The man-made climate change movement is so misguided in this way, they hurt the poor with "solutions" like bio-fuel and wind power causing fuel poverty while not dealing with real issues and problems like particulate pollution in the third world. Fly into Cairo sometime, you'll see what I mean. It smells like someone poured a giant can of diesel on a massive pile of ****, and lit it on fire.

The weather has been getting more and more.sketchy in the last 5 years.. .

It actually hasn't been getting sketchier. All that is happened is that the media has magnified the severity of any and every storm occurring now and presented each one as a "cause of climate change". It's just pandering to the unproven hypothesis. We're actually going through one of the slowest hurricane periods since 1900 right now. Tornado activity compared to the 1970's are way down. There are now even peer-reviewed papers supporting the hypothesis that more CO2 in the atmosphere leads to less severe weather on earth, but of course, those papers are ignored as they don't support the fear-mongering craziness that is necessary to keep the cash-eating machine of the AGW movement going.

 

It actually hasn't been getting sketchier. All that is happened is that the media has magnified the severity of any and every storm occurring now and presented each one as a "cause of climate change". It's just pandering to the unproven hypothesis. We're actually going through one of the slowest hurricane periods since 1900 right now. Tornado activity compared to the 1970's are way down. There are now even peer-reviewed papers supporting the hypothesis that more CO2 in the atmosphere leads to less severe weather on earth, but of course, those papers are ignored as they don't support the fear-mongering craziness that is necessary to keep the cash-eating machine of the AGW movement going.

 

So much this. Every storm, ever cold snap, every hot spell it's not weather anymore it's doom and gloom climate change!!!!11!!!! pisses me off. I also completely agree with you how greenhouse gas emissions have usurped the environmental issues so completely and totally. There are plenty of worse things we're dumping into the environment but because it's not the hot topic of the day it doesn't matter. That **** really pisses me off. The weather is always going to be unpredictable and we are always going to have severe weather pop up, that's been going on since day 1, and it's always the poor who get hit hardest that hasn't changed either. Just that there's big business in climate change too and lots of people are making money and not solving any issues. This whole idea that you can buy carbon credits and solve the problem... nonsense. It's a wealth transfer scheme nothing more. 

5 years out of 6 billion could not be any less statistically significant.

5 years out of 6 billion could not be any less statistically significant.

4.6 billion actually, unless they've gone and changed their estimates again but pretty sure it's 4.6

Neil Young can go shove it. Maybe he should have told his bus drivers to turn off their diesel engines when they were idling for hours when he had his concert here in Calgary this past January.

 

That was a picture from February when there was some flooding in Europe. Yup. Floods happen sometimes. Trying to represent that that picture is what Venice "looks like" on an everyday basis now due to man-made climate change is just plain fraudulent. 

 

 

I guess I'm just a big fat phony! LOL!

 

I don't recall saying this is happening due to man-made climate change. In fact, it's something called Acqua Alta, and it has been going on since, oh about 600 AD or so. That pictures is from St Marks square, one of the lowest lying areas of the city. Nobody is surprised that Venice floods, it always has and always will.

 

However, what used to occur only 5-6 times a year during the winter months (high sea levels has turned into an every day fact of life. What used to be temporary platforms on sidewalks are now permanent fixtures. Vendors make a killing selling rubber booties to ill-prepared tourists. If the sea levels continue to rise, Venice will experience Acqua Alta with increasing frequency and severity. The whole point is that nobody takes notice or gives a damn until it affects them in their back yard. It's pretty easy to say 'so what' when it's happening on the other side of the world.

 

Interesting piece (no, I don't get all my news from Vice, it's just a great show)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MX78GPAuOik

 

I'm not a scientist {collective gasp} but it seems to my untrained hippie eyes that the industrial revolution had some sort of clearly measurable impact on global temperatures and sea levels... I can't think it's just a coincidence, or easily dismissed as anecdotal evidence.

 

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Gosh look at that temp drop after 2000. Hockey stick.

I guess I'm just a big fat phony! LOL!

Don't be too hard on yourself. Most AGW "believers" are phonies. Only they are doing it for the big bank involved. The best thing that ever happened to Al Gore was the man-made global warming scam, the guy has made gazillions riding off of it, not including all the bank he's made from being a director of Apple.

 

I don't recall saying this is happening due to man-made climate change. In fact, it's something called Acqua Alta, and it has been going on since, oh about 600 AD or so. That pictures is from St Marks square, one of the lowest lying areas of the city. Nobody is surprised that Venice floods, it always has and always will.

 

However, what used to occur only 5-6 times a year during the winter months (high sea levels has turned into an every day fact of life. What used to be temporary platforms on sidewalks are now permanent fixtures. Vendors make a killing selling rubber booties to ill-prepared tourists. If the sea levels continue to rise, Venice will experience Acqua Alta with increasing frequency and severity. The whole point is that nobody takes notice or gives a damn until it affects them in their back yard. It's pretty easy to say 'so what' when it's happening on the other side of the world.

Are sea levels actually rising though? What I've seen in terms of measurements on sea level rise have all been horribly biased and deliberately incorrect measurements designed purely to panic people. Back in the mid-2000's there was the whole scam about how the Maldives and other low-lying islands were going to be covered in water by now, and nothing has happened. Also - is there any credence to the theory that Venice might be sinking a bit as well? It's not always just about the sea rising, land also sinks too.

 

Interesting piece (no, I don't get all my news from Vice, it's just a great show)

I like Vice too, in fact I've enjoyed many of their reports as they get right into the places other journalists won't go like into Muslim Philippines and right in with the Taliban in Afghanistan, but their climate change stuff is complete crap. It's too bad that they've bowed to their political masters on this stuff and not gone into exposing all of the corruption in the "green" lobby. These are the prime guys to investigate Obama blowing $500 million of taxpayer cash on Solyndra, and yet none of those guys will touch it. You can bet if it had been Bush that had blown $500 million on a scam with his cronies it would be a Vice masterpiece of journalism.

 

I'm not a scientist {collective gasp} but it seems to my untrained hippie eyes that the industrial revolution had some sort of clearly measurable impact on global temperatures and sea levels... I can't think it's just a coincidence, or easily dismissed as anecdotal evidence.

And here we go with the hockey stick again and graphs showing sea level rising. The hockey stick is complete and utter bunk. The world hasn't warmed in 17 years. Even the morally bankrupt IPCC and their UN masters agree on that one.

http://a-sceptical-mind.com/the-rise-and-fall-of-the-hockey-stick

http://junkscience.com/2011/12/02/the-sea-level-scam/

 

 

I'm not a scientist {collective gasp} but it seems to my untrained hippie eyes that the industrial revolution had some sort of clearly measurable impact on global temperatures and sea levels... I can't think it's just a coincidence, or easily dismissed as anecdotal evidence.

 

 

well I am a scientist specializing in the Earth, and I am not proclaiming myself an expert my base knowledge of geology and geologic history of the Earth does give me a good understanding of the processes that go on. We know that the greenhouse effect is real, we know there has been a lot of CO2 released into the atmosphere in that time, the problem of course is that geologically speaking a couple hundred years is an insignificant  time frame and you get into the issue of how reliable is data from 100 years ago compared to the measurements of everything they can take from today? Going back even further is much harder and gives more variables into the numbers they come up with because looking at indirect evidence always has that uncertainty. It is pretty safe to say there has been warming going on, now is it primarily driven by CO2 or are there other factors involved? Are the predictions made accurate? That's a big one and I don't think it is possible to predict what will happen because there are so many things that make a difference. The more factors you have to include the harder it is to accurately predict what will happen. 

 

Climate is still a really new area of study for science, as a result of that you start to see really detailed information from the last couple decades... but you have to make a lot of assumptions about data collected before and then you get into the fact that a couple decades, or even a couple centuries is a blip. This is the standard presentation they use to give some perspective on how old the Earth is. Compare it to a 24 hour clock and humans have only been around for just over a minute.