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Brohm had one good half of football. That doesn't make him a solid qb. If anything there's a lot of questions that need answering about him.
Same could be said for Drew Willy - he had 3-4 decent games that resulted in wins early on, but his level of play actually regressed. So lots of questions about him too.
Here's what I like about Brian Brohm: it's obvious Brohm has a high football IQ and every time got on the field he got better, not worse.
He makes very quick reads - faster than Drew Willy and he gets rid of the ball more quickly and, generally, right on target.
He manages the clock better than Drew Willy - he rarely uses the entire 20 second clock between plays whereas Willy almost always requires the whole pre-snap to make his reads. So there's usually no urgency in a Drew Willy led offence.
Brohm only threw for about 450 yards last year but he had a better QB passing percentage in 2014 than Drew Willy at 69.6% vs 64%.
That's inaccurate. Brohm's completion percentage was actually 55.7%. His QB rating was 69.6, which is awful
You're right, Brohm's completion percentage last year was 55.7 vs Willy 63.8.
And Brohm's QB efficiency rating was 69.6 vs Willy at 83.9
Willy though, had worst QB efficiency rating in the league among starters, after Hank who was the worst.
And if you look carefully you see that Brohm's QB rating is low only because, in limited game reps, he didn't throw any TDs.
Willy was also virtually at the bottom among CFL QBs last year when you look at the TD vs INT ratio. Lots of room for improvement there.
Anyway I hope we can sign Brohm. I feel he's underated.
Here is the link to QB stats from 2014: http://cfl.ca/statistics/league/stat/Passing/year/2014/type/reg
I agree that Willy needs to improve, no doubt about it. But I don't think Brohm is a solution of any kind either. He made some impressive throws every now and then, and managed the clock well, but didn't show much otherwise. His reads were off for the most part and his mobility is very limited. I never felt comfortable with him behind centre last year. It doesn't help that he didn't really impress in training camp nor in the preseason, basically getting a roster spot as a reward for being superior to Max Hall.
At best, he should be a third-stringer on this team.
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Brohm had one good half of football. That doesn't make him a solid qb. If anything there's a lot of questions that need answering about him.
Same could be said for Drew Willy - he had 3-4 decent games that resulted in wins early on, but his level of play actually regressed. So lots of questions about him too.
Here's what I like about Brian Brohm: it's obvious Brohm has a high football IQ and every time got on the field he got better, not worse.
He makes very quick reads - faster than Drew Willy and he gets rid of the ball more quickly and, generally, right on target.
He manages the clock better than Drew Willy - he rarely uses the entire 20 second clock between plays whereas Willy almost always requires the whole pre-snap to make his reads. So there's usually no urgency in a Drew Willy led offence.
Brohm only threw for about 450 yards last year but he had a better QB passing percentage in 2014 than Drew Willy at 69.6% vs 64%.
That's inaccurate. Brohm's completion percentage was actually 55.7%. His QB rating was 69.6, which is awful.
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Question...
Was Chris Matthews actually released by the Bombers (as his Wiki page would suggest) or did he leave as a free agent?
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I don't have a favourite NFL team, so whenever I happen to watch a game, I'll root for the team with the most former CFLers.
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Mitchell is a good QB on a good ball team. If he was playing in Wpg. he'd have the same experience and effectiveness as Willy imo.
Hypotheticals are useless. There's no way to tell one way or another. Besides, Willy was absolutely dreadful in the second half so I don't know what makes you think he might be as good as Mitchell. Willy still has a ton to prove.
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there's never been a receiver that played in the CFL that had a significant NFL career, as in a reasonable amount of playing time and receptions.
How many CFL receivers have more than a few catches in the NFL?
as you all said, Duron probably has lots of interest, (son of a hall of fame receiver?)
If he has a big NFL career, he'll be the
firstsecond one.except
Fernandez spent his entire 6-year NFL career (1987-1992) with one team: the Los Angeles Raiders. During that span, Fernandez played in 86 games and amassed 209 catches for 3,764 yards and 19 touchdowns.
Andrew Hawkins has been a solid contributor in the NFL for a couple of years.
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What happened to Nasty Nate?
Appears he is banned.
Again?? Man that guy has a knack for getting banned.
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What happened to Nasty Nate?
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I admire your optimism guys, but there's nothing wrong with being critical of coaches and players.
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O'Shea's decision not to pull Willy against BC was completely inexplicable. I've never seen such a terrible performance from a QB who did not end up being pulled.
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Drew Willy was absolutely terrible in the second half of the season... I'm not sure that he deserves it.
Clarence Denmark would have had my vote.
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If it's anything like the old S Section, I'll be thrilled.
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Saying someone's opinion is stupid is just not cool.
There's a way to get your point across without sounding condescending.
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The sooner people admit their mistakes and swallow their pride, the easier it is for them to earn anyone's respect.
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Your numbers are correct Mr Dee. Sorry about the confusion.
Hajrullahu missed a field goal against Calgary in week 17 and another yesterday. Those are the two misses that I'm talking about.
But yeah, good for him to get that record.
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Hajrullahu left some points on the field during Marve's time at the helm too (7 to be exact).
???? Say what?
If I'm not mistaken, in those 53 minutes, the Bombers were in a position to score but failed on three different occasions (2 missed field goals and a missed convert).
Yes, one convert but only one FG.
Hajrullahu kicked 4 of 5 FGs and unofficially, I believe, set a new Bomber and CFL rookie percentage record.
Will wait for the official word on the actual percentages from the CFL news centre.
Congratulations mr. rookie kicker.
Yeah, fantastic season for him.
But he DID technically miss two field goals. Blocked field goals now count as misses.
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Hajrullahu left some points on the field during Marve's time at the helm too (7 to be exact).
???? Say what?
If I'm not mistaken, in those 53 minutes, the Bombers were in a position to score but failed on three different occasions (2 missed field goals and a missed convert).
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I wouldn't say Marve struggled to move the ball at all... He played the last 23 minutes of the first game against Calgary, engineered two touchdowns plus another drive that should have resulted in a field goal. He was put in a difficult situation with a minute left as the Bombers were in a 10-point deficit and in a hurry to throw the ball downfield. Three of his ten throws were made then. You just can't draw conclusions from 10 pass attempts, as he likely would've completed a higher percentage had he played the entire game.
I wouldn't say he struggled yesterday either considering the weather conditions. The offence managed to score 15 points in one half of football under his lead. Marve was on pace for more passing yards than Mitchell.
Marve in 53 minutes = 29 points for the Bombers
Other quarterbacks against the same opposition in 67 minutes = 12 points for the Bombers
It doesn't mean much but I think he played better than his stats would suggest. Hajrullahu left some points on the field during Marve's time at the helm too (7 to be exact).
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Because I believe Marve at least has something to gain, plus I firmly believe that he gives us a better chance to win. We haven't won in so long that I've almost forgotten what it feels like.
Marve gives us a better chance for a comeback win at this point. Brohm has a better chance to be a starter then Marve IMHO.
I think it's a bit premature to make those types of claims. Marve looked better in training camp / preseason but both looked good in limited action this season.
Marve also has much more room to grow.
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The fact remains that the teams with the most passing yards often lack a running game. That's why it's a bit of a deceptive stat.
The fact remains that all stats can be looked at as deceptive.
It's like Grigsby leading the CFL in rushing yards at one point, even though he had an average of -0.2 or whatever.
He simply had more attempts than anyone else.
Stats are not the driving force behind team's attacks…they are the results of choices teams make in their offensive philosophy.
Each one has to be looked at individually, and for our team, Willy's passing yardage is remarkable for a 1st year QB. and that's all that's being said.
I agree that all stats can be deceptive, but it's all about context. Willy has made the third-most pass attempts in the league this year, and consequently, has had the second-most passing yards. Makes sense.
I'm not saying his passing yards totals are bad. I just don't think they're as impressive as some people are making them out to be.
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Pretty good post, but I don't think those stats are particularly impressive. With the lack of a running game, the Bombers were forced to rely on the passing game a lot, which obviously influences Willy's stats in a huge way.
You do realize that this statement also supports Willy's stats as a passing QB.
It's easy to argue that because we did lack a running game, it became harder and harder to keep up a good passing game, and I think, as the year went on, that was proven.
I've said many times that the lack of a running game has probably contributed to Willy's lacklustre play this season.
The fact remains that the teams with the most passing yards often lack a running game. That's why it's a bit of a deceptive stat.
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Your right, facts are facts, so lets look at a few: Willy finished the year over 3,700 passing yards which is the best mark we've had since 2007. His completion percentage is fourth best among CFL starters, and is ahead of Bo Levi Mitchell, and his touchdown passes is tied for fifth among starters as well. You can like or dislike Drew Willy all you want, I frankly don't care, but those are impressive facts for a first year starter. Yeah it's great Marve can scramble, good for him. The name of the game at quarterback is throwing the ball. It comes first far and away above anything else, and Marve has a long way to go before he's in Willy's league in that category. I must say I find it quite amusing that Troy Smith can complete 52.6 per cent of his passes last season, and can show an ability to run as well, yet have the critics he did (and justifiably so of course) yet Robert Marve can have worse passing numbers when averaged out, can be just as reckless, yet we have a "quarterback controversy" among our genius fan base (nevermind the fact that he's only thrown 22 career passes) because of how this town always loves the #2 quarterback.
Don't get me wrong, I like Marve, and I want him to do well as he's part of our team, but he is the back-up for a reason. He is not better, nor in the same league as Drew Willy. Can he run and extend plays? Sure he can, good for him. That alone does not make him the better quarterback. Outside of Ricky Ray and Bo Levi Mitchell, there has not been a quarterback in this league the past 15 years that has been elite in his first full year as a full time starter, but there have been some good ones. Drew Willy is one of them. That's a fact whether you like it not, so get use to it. Without Drew Willy this season, this team wins no more than four games in 2014. Remember how Mike Reilly was last year? Lots of ups, lots of downs. That's life when you're a first year starter. You have to be willing to take the good with the bad. Look at how he developed in 2014 - There's no reason to doubt Willy won't continue to develop as well.
Furthermore, lets look at some games where Drew Willy held us in as best as he could despite no running game:
Week seven at home to Saskatchewan - We amass 37 yards rushing in the game and lose by six points.
Labour Day - Grigsby runs for 68 yards and we lose by five
Banjo Bowl - Grigsby runs for 66 yards and we lose by six.
Week 14 - Grigsby runs for 42 yards and we lose by five.
These are unacceptable rushing totals, and on top of that, for anyone who knows anything about football - Second and long all game is a defensive lineman's dream. There's two very good reasons why we gave up the amount of sacks we did this year - Our offensive line and situation football. While it would be naive to think we win all four of those games with Cotton in the line-up, I have zero hesitation in saying we'd win at least two of those four, which would put us at 9-9 and in contention for a playoff berth. You look at the best teams in this league, and what do they have to go along with a good quarterback? They can run the football. We couldn't this year. With Willy and Cotton together for a full season in 2015, plus the new pieces that will be added through the draft and free agency, there's every reason to expect this team to challenge for the playoffs next year - and they'll do that with Drew Willy.
Pretty good post, but I don't think those stats are particularly impressive. With the lack of a running game, the Bombers were forced to rely on the passing game a lot, which obviously influences Willy's stats in a huge way. Heck, Burris had almost as many passing yards as Willy, yet not many people would claim that he had a good season. I also don't think we've had a quarterback play in as many games as Willy has this year since 2007. In a nine-team league, it isn't exactly impressive to be tied for fifth in touchdown passes either.
With Willy (as with anyone else), you need to take the good with the bad. He's thrown the most interceptions in the league, and has hung on to the ball for far too long on more than one occasion. He can only improve from here on out, but it's pretty ridiculous to say that he's in an "entirely different league" than Marve.
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I really really don't understand why anyone would prefer Brohm over Marve. The offence performed incredibly well with Marve at the helm, considering the circumstances. They scored 29 points (should've been 36) in the 53 minutes that he played. He was only sacked once during that time, did not throw an interception nor fumble the ball... He basically did everything necessary to win games.
He was our best QB in training camp/preseason, and by all accounts, was extremely impressive in practice all year. The only thing that scares me about him is his knees.