Booch

Exactly this...as well as our ratio and how we use it and allot the money and the value you get from it, and how it rapes you elsewhere, compared to the lower price tag and actual better more impactful play from an American...I talking SAM.....Interior d-line.....even center.....Second Canadian receiver Our flat out refusal to to never stray away from 3 oline...RB...2 receiver's and the pile of garbage that is JT Inside has just handcuffed us...allowed us to either miss out or not even consider an impact player in FA in any of those spots and made us weak....shallow in depth and just hanging onto garbage and never getting better.....because this "belief" we have that this is the winning template....cause it worked half a decade ago now To be the best, and stay the best you need to be continually getting better...bringing guys in....looking forward, not at past success.....and if you find a guy thats better than who is starting currently....you plug them in and your depth guys continually are being better along with your frontline guys....worrying about bruised ego's and loyalty aint gonna keep you succesful When is the last time....almost anytime under Osh where we have adjusted how we run our ratio....or cut a vet...a 2 yr..3yr starter....for an up and comer? I can't think of once....Only time we replaced anyone of significance is due to a player leaving for better opportunity/money or a guy was so injured even Osh couldn't justify dressing them...and even then he has played guys who in now way shape or form should have been dressed...let alone starting. And....hence....here we are and from sounds of some the soundbites from Osh....prepare for more BS nad from some personal discussions and chat I have had...expect some exodus cause of it...Sure the team is gonna spin it that "they are moving on from player X...PlaYer Y" and if you believe that get a hold of me cause I got some merchandise that I can sell you at a crazy wicked deal....it's awesome legit stuff 😁 We are a chaotic mess riht now....no real clue or plan and sounds like it's gonna fester into 2026..

yup...with the kolo....if we wanna retain Schmeck...thats the guy they should develop into a center....he prob believe it or not on the whole team...both sides of the ball is quickest off the snap...has a lethal knife push to collapse a line too.... I can't see any reasoning or rality where he is brought back...none....considering what a lot of the read between the lines statements from players....and the outside the ears of the media chatter is a lil more...profane shall I say....If he is brought back Osh better be grilled...questioned and called out on it And Osh's excuse as mentioned...which it is...a real bad one that he "cant draw up play"...like cmon...then you shouldnt be a coach at pro level....there is pretty much a template to run an offence off...its how you add to it...how you use it and the creativity within it...there is only so much....and so many concepts you can use...If a 12 yr running HC has no ability to do coachable things...getta outta here now I said before that I didnt think Osh was a good coach in regards to the teachable stuff and creating things....creating concepts and ability to adjust...let alone see where adjusting is required....Guess he just confirmed it

well at least he is taking some accountability...tho if he had half a brain he would also see the issues, and be able to make some suggestions to fix....and with that comes who he rostered.....he severely handcuffed our offensive chances in the ESF with who he put out there...and unwillingness to flip his ratio...heck he didnt even really need to flip it....just add an import reciever

yeah an undersized center thats athletic...can thrive in the proper scheme undersized center who is fundamentally sound and technically great....can succeed....again when you use them accordingly...If you have an overall smaller line...but athletic and technical, there are lotsa systems and blocking schemes you can use to actually be really sucessful...especially when you have RB that can carry the mail...which we do.... Undersized center, if powerfull and strong, can thrive as well Kolo lacks all of that....and an OC that couldn't likely draw up a system and a game plan to beat a California Prep school Interstingly enough Tui is not undersized.....very athletic....had top notch college coaching and his technical skills are as good as you see up here, and by all accounts is strong as Eff.....hmmmm....Imagine.....But cant translate/develop that by not playing the position

well hopefully if he shows up here...with the status quo he cool with sitting behind guys like Kramdi...Lawson....we prob bring back a cut or 2 cause we liked them, but cut them regardless....and watch inadequate Osh boi's suck up the joint

Thats multi layered.....who isnt roster let alone any business starting or worthy/usefull....I'd go with JT...Kolo...Korn...Corcorran....Ball...Weitz tho he did get removed AS for starters who aren't the best use of assets and cost...and the cost of player not worth the bang....Kramdi....T.Jones...Mitchell (tho i sure he will be quietly gone) All guys who played the one corner......Have to get better, and bigger....also was it scheme related and lack of pressure....maybe...but we still need to get physical DB's Wilson tho played well...needs to be replaced with the Canadian kids and open up ratio swap for us....That being said...Healthy Wilson is he better as the reserve DA LB over T.Jones...and would he be more cost effective...?? as well as offer a better all-around usefulness? Our recieving corp heeds major overhaul and talent...Keep Clercius..Demski...Pokey...the collective rest can all be replaced...need to be replaced. And Demski shouldn't be the A1 guy at this juncture

it's free now hahaha

part of that is the real poor receiver routes in this ....i wont even call it playbook....cause I dont think we even really had one...and a lot of what we installed and ran in camp to "prepare" everyone....we jettisoned....like wtf Preaching for 2 yrs now coaching is our downfall....and if in playoffs this yr would be again....and wow.....it reaered its ugly but all too familiar head I also dont think Osh knows how to coach/scheme or make any kind of play or teachable lesson....as he hasnt shown it....and I dont thinkn he can show it....when he has less than stellar co-ords his teams are brutally bad...and he isnt able to take on a role other than be the "leader"...and even then...seen minimal actual leading of late...a whole lotta excuses...non-chalantness...deflection....zero accountability....it's all good baby....cant we see it??....lol

and he got a chance to start when???...What has Kolo done other than make Osh all firm to keep him playing...ot's not his stellar performance There are a lot of instances where guys dont get a legit chance here and it's all on Oshea....if he has a hardon for a particular guy...good luck getting a chance to bump them out a lot of our success in jumbo is on him....on short yardage too...generally guys go his side...and when they dont...we often fail If a guy can block as 6th...off edge as a TE...one who is always in second level creating chaos.....do people truly think he isnt able to do that at center...his position he played all his life?... I can see why people say he hasnt earned it....but he hasnt been given a 2..3 game stretch to run with it...Kolo has been given ....gifted a 3 yr run...and got shittier each and every yr...how shitty does a guy have to get to finally be punted off the roster....Watching Jake..Kolo...Korny and others before....reeeeaaaaaal shitty apparently

People crap on ELI and say it be a non factor because they are the Osh defenders....Eli would be just fine if he was slotted as the starter there 2..3 yrs running now...people fail to correlate that our line has started to slide and wasnt close to what it was and became an issue as soon as KOLO was gifted the starter role...3 yrs ago...think about it

if osh is back....be more of the downward trend...poor roster...stupid decisions...same ol same ol A HC has huge impact and say on the roster and who they retain and who/what they request....and the G.M and his team accomodate...hence why we are littered with garbage....The G.M and coach will always work together in a fluid and functioning system and are not gonna really but heads, and the G.M isnt gonna go against what the HC vision is....they hired him for a reason.....but there also comes a time when the G.M and or President need to step in...and lay down some law....or remove things from the equation....and this wasnt being done here, and if we bring back all the same cast of characters....it's just gonna continue on....plain and simple This team is broken now at the top...they have no clue in the right way to get out of it and I can see several defections coming player wise with guys who want no more part of this, another season of big whooptydo FA signings and an even poorer roster...and how that's even possible is mind boggling but it's gonna unfold right in front of us....not even the real off-season yet but from sounds of all that in media reports...it's already disappointing and just gonna get worse Osh needs to grow a pair and not worry about this mt nice guy image he wants to portray and yeah....rip some new arses and explicity say where things are not optimal....and actually have a plan to fix it...He's a pro football coach....not a babysitter of fragile egos and minds.....just gutless...season is over...was a pathetic excise of one at that....take some accountability for it....make others accountable....but nope...smug grin....like what we have....guys are awesome...blah blah....fuckingblah

We had the polar opposite

If osh is back...and i hope hes not...but if so...it better be on a short leash and any resemblance as to whats gone on of late...and games that look like this yr...that fire button better be pressed I think bringing him back is a huge risk sms wise cause if he just continues as he has..and we need to cut bait...and who really thinks he will change? Then we on hook with money to him on the coaching cap aspect Yup...somewhere along the way in 2022 to this yr we lost the plot..the foresight...ability to project and the ability to make the tough decisions...can these 2 get back to that? Maybe? But if they can't and we committ again...only to have to can them...then we really gonna be wandering in the wilderness for a few yrs...they did it before...was it just lightning in a bottle and things just lined up perfect? Or was it from actual things they did...and then got too fat and complacent?? There's arguments for both cases...huge decisions coming here that could affect us for a few yrs running...in either direction..

G.m oshea would be a bigger disaster than what we have scene here...our roster would suck even more if he had full control...it sucks as is with his partial say

Yeah...Love Stan.....and he wasnt a detriment, but he is ageing out and will only be going downhill now...and could be fast on the edge...inside tho he would be like a playing coach and he would be able to make any blocking call with what he has seen and knows....But we have some young talented tackles in waiting here so we gotta let em take over and grow....I like that they are athletic as hell and with a real OC...and the right weapons there is a lot you cn do

Like I mentioned in other threads but got attacked by a few on here about the out of the media talk, and no wasnt "overheard" at the gym...which still makes me chuckle ...things were not what they seem and all is not koombyha and lolipops....but guys wont say jack to media...rando fans.....but talk amoungst the brotherhood and trusted collegues

no...not at all but what u get when u drag your feet hiring a guy.....or u intended to use that smuck right from the get go....as an internal hire With zero experience....or street cred....and well thats what happens....garbage and ruderless all yr....the lack of in game adjustments and being clowned all yr in second halfs....evidence enough Probably affected FA signings as well and why we had to basically scrap heap and grab the garbage nobody else wanted...all ties into what went on.

well said....and actually an under the radar loss in terms of accountability and making sure guys stayed accountable was letting Kongbo walk for basically just a piddly amount of money...we could have had him back here I think WJ still adds value, and should get a look in camp.....but needs to reestablish himself and show if it was scheme/role....or just loafing.....for his position he is not old by any standard especially body type wise..I think it was a cumulative thing here in what we were doing....and the lack of impact dlineman to work with.....That being said he needs to have to come back at lesser price tag and also be a true rotated guy....it would allow him and whatever 3...4 others we should be rostering flourish On fence with Stan and didnt see enough from the new guys at left tackle to be sold on then.....yet....but guys need to play also and Randolph over the course of the yr really transformed and should be considered one of the top RT's in the league...and is the most athletically gifted...expecting *** things for him next yr....Neuf makes the perfect 6th/swing oline guy...I cant criticize any guard here based on the utter slop we had at center...he got even worse as yr went on and at times saturday just watching his play was embarrassing....I sure hope he is, and Osh as well when watching that tape Whoever is paying the money here next yr needs to look at the value of the player....if they are providing bang for that buck and to replace how much would be saved and available for others I dont care how smart Kramdi apparently is and how Osh likes he plays....if you cant master one spot then get outta town at 140k when there are already several guys on roster who played the spot better...and at half the cost.....Guy is a liability, but a good backup and situational guy....not at his salary tho....Thomas same boat, tho he offers nothing at all and we are just standing in neutral playing him over a cheaper rookie with upside and future ahead of them

Yup...and that also leads back to the ratio issue.. fit the ratio to the best talent available to you be it in FA..draft..yiur own recruitment or with whom has been developing on your roster...which we fail at and miss out on a lot of talent because we havnt tweaked the ratio allotment since the 2019 cup

Happy for Buck...hope he does well And can't discount Rourke in a big game...if hes on...sasks suspect secondary will get roasted If bc gets any kind of defence they should easily win

Was it that his HC didnt request dline upgrades...lost in all the finger pointing is that generally a HC will parlay what he feels he needs...and wants...and kind of skill set he values...and the scouting teams tries to accommodate this...sure there are guys they bring in their own assessments but they for most part are looking for what is requested I also truly believe Osh is a piss poor evaluator of talent...or all the intangibles of what makes a player great...as opposed to adequate and in several instances...sub par...we've seen it here more often than not A lot of what he values doesn't translate to succes on the field. Sure a few of his intangible guys he likes are fine...but not a roster littered with them...talent always trumps intangibles in football

Yeah...can't live in past...no reason for his return especially if you have youth...or if someone in FA comes available T.Jones too...misleading stats...not outstanding in any aspect...but a great DA to augment the game day roster...no way shape or form should he be pencilled in as a returnerning starter...and only way he won't be is if Osh is removed...history and track record tells us so And it started with the lowballing of Jeffcoat...and refusal to pay Sayles and Stove and Kongbo...but keep slop like Thomas..Schmeck...Korn... We have never recovered...same can be said with center...we coulda retained Couture...or signed a FA center if for anything to compete...or tried Eli..who has never got a real opportunity...but chose to roll with an undersized..under skilled scrap heap guy nobody wanted for 2 yrs on the street cause Osh liked whatever it is about him...and its not talent

AND lines are built from inside and out...and we were/are worst in the league at center and DT.....and who do we play there...JT and the Matador Kolo You set the inside...anchor a Tackle and an End....you thrive I had no issue with Big Stan...a solid center....and guard who doesn't have to compensate....and Bryant is just...Bryant and Really I'd have no issue if he comes back and we stop the rigidity of our ratio. With who we have currently, Give me a Bryant..Vpool..Eli...Wallace...Randolph and Neuf as 6th and we are light yrs better than what we witnessed all yr Only reason why I have Neuf behind Wallace is because the young buck needs to play to get even better...and Neuf can play allalong the line save for LT if need be Same with defence.....get 2 actual inside guys to work with Lawson....2 young ends to take major reps....with another to rotate on and yes have WJ playing varied spots on the line and just told to get after the QB and be responsible in that role....we'd be just fine....it's not rocket science This idea of WJ to play knockdown and be flat footed all the time...constant Jake and Korn when he was on roster doing nothing....no rotational end whatsoever an then on top dressing 2 DA's who served no use on defence more times than not was just suicide....We have 2 Canadians in Shay and Smith who excel on teams and could easily take consistent reps on defense and probably become really good to allow you to dress an extra American for the dline....Plus use Bailey as another guy who plays teams, can play on defense and lso works to your benefit ratio wise...The use all yr of the other Global who had no use at all again was a wtf you doing decision....

you can bust your ass all you want but when it amounts to nothing...who cares...I could go out and bust my ass too (I'd prob be more successful too than him truth be told) but you dont see me on any roster no more Jake's prence just takes another player off the roster who could make an impact....and then makes the job of his dline mates tougher as they can be schemed against more....football is a game where one putz can affect the whole system....and when you have multiple on both sides of the ball...well......

Basically football 101 And dont hire from within in the old boys country club stand pat and be complacent thinking things will just work out again mode....actually put the work in and coach....plan....look forward and project...there's an idea...again....football 101