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apparently according to one wizard here ELI is just plain crap...hence we have no other option lol Makes a sane person wonder then why is he even on the roster...being so crappy

Doesn't matter where Singer took reps...Our receivers take reps all over the field regardless...Its a case of him just being a flat out better player than Cobb..Womack woulda been too....Clercius also is and it was not due a ratio requirement as well playing Cobb and Corcoran before him... talking about not seeing a forest We get it you will defend Osh until your last dying breath...Look back in time I defended him and praised him too...Until he didnt deserve it...which is living in the now...I couldnt give to eff's what he did for us circa 2019-2022...I do tho in how he has ruined all the previous accolades tho You have said repeatedly that players are playing because the players behind them be it depth chart or on PR are not as good...Go fact check yer old self and rediscover your musings...And where had ELI shown to be crap??..And if so why he on roster??...Coaching blunder I guess...Games he been in he hasnt shown that. Elsbury sure has tho

most balance and best use of assets all yr....Is sense finding its way into the coaching?

he also panicks now...Cause it's in his head that he is limited...which doesnt hep He also isn't 100 percent in tune to whats going on I think and reading and reacting to things like before, as he looks to be in self-preservation more now...and will force or rush something out where he shouldnt

Dare to dream lol We dont need another linebacker tho..ayers easily fills woodbey void on defence...and jaworski or womack would make more sense and add more value ..technically that's all we have on PR anyway which in itself is inexcusable...I guess Jenkins is an option too but we know what he brings...so perfect opportunity to try out one the others...makes sense so probably won't happen

Well he already on roster..I meant more the import vacancy.. but you are prob not off the mark too far..I could see that

yup....a player may be approached, but looks at our roster....how and who we deploy guys...the rigidity of how we handle ratio...and say thanks...but no thanks

if they were high they prob do some out of the box things and in turn benefit us Its more one of them is stupid so they intend to march out the pylon kelly as the starter and use Kramdi as a sub?...As Woodbery was essentially that. That's sound logic SMH...Even thoI dont think Kramdi is the answer anywhere as a defacto starter, he's better than kelly and if he is as smart as all these claims should help the backfield at least be in right spots...From what we see of Kelly and him rarely himself in ideal position pretty sure he aint directing jackshit out there Ayers stepped in for Woodbey and looked better than Woodbey ever did there this yr, and with more use...likely looks even better...but hey lets send him back to ST and play the inferior guy who hasn't played in months...that outta pay off...Hope you are wrong tho...I'm more curious as to who Osh is gonna roster in Woodbeys spot...I bet it's just a place holder wasted addition who will have no impact on the game whatsoever tho, and if we didnt even dress anyone we wouldn't notice...Thats how usefull some his decisions are

GOOD coaching can bring out talent too tho....or recognize lack of talent and replace them with a better option...Rarely happens here save for an injury You just commented on Brown not playing cause he is not better...your opinion You also said that we were not playing an import receiver because the guys on the PR are not any better than what we had on the field...again your opinion But Singer gets on...and low and behold looks worlds better and can be impactful more than Cobb and Neild, and actually garnered attention. I believe was most targeted too so obviously the QB likes what he brings too...When has Cobb or Neild led in targets You said Smith isnt getting starting reps or the chance to start cause he is a 2nd yr guy and not ready...and the other 2 old farts are better...Smith since being a regular has been our best LB Same with Griffin..I beat that drum for 2 yrs he should be sam...but you profess Kramdi was the best cause of Osh's comments...and he so smart...doesn't equate to being the best tho..and low and behold until he went down Griffin was our best and most consistent defender....speaking of him he told me yesterday he should be back "soon" so not sure if thats a game or 2...or what but he confident in it which would help big time Who knows what other guy if put in would shine...Be it a rookie..2nd yr guy...more tenured guy...Elsbury for example facks us multiple ways as he wastes a valuable import spot...permeates his ineffectiveness in to other parts of the line...and his inconsistent snaps screw up rhythm and timing. Thats just one example...To trust that osh is putting the best guys out there because he wears the HC hat is foolish...History has shown us that I know you dont like to admit osh isnt the be all end all of coaches but a lot of our misfortune falls right at his feet...I also agree too that we have some other issues needing attention...but they also kind of wrap around back to him as well in a way. I'll put it this way...yup...we have some players who are not good anymore...some who have really bad technical skills...some who continue to be abused game in and game out in the same fashion...make mental/communication errors game in and game out...seemingly out of position...there seems to be a lot of this in our roster Now...who rosters them? and Who doesn't hold anyone accountable...even a benching of quarter, or second half of a game? Rip a strip off em on the sideline...somerimes a good public embarrassing gets the message across.. Who is responsible to recognize the issues, and either fix them by taking a different coaching approach, or removing them altogether for a different player? And guys even after game 12 at times still looking confused...unsure of assignment....Thinking as opposed to reacting...being in wrong spots...Who prepares them in week leading up to a game....or should be preparing them? Therein lies the problem if anyone here answers the quations....Rhymes with poaching

He's built for an athletuc thumping mlb type..actually now that Wilson is older is prob our best sideline to sideline lb behind Smith..and well you see that in both just on their ST dominance Ayers would be just fine in coverage role traditional to a inside lb..not some this nonesense we run..but I think his drops and ability to react out of them would be just fine..and like been saying...never know unless u give guys opportunity to show it

U would think Ayers would anyway..not some less than spectacular/special rookie When Ayers came in after the woodbey injury and played more a role suited to him..instead of out of position DE he actually made several noticeable plays...imagine that

Hard to imagine a guy getting hurt with no real snaps..dont even recal seeing him on the field his last game..let alone getting medical treatment..but if he truly is then thats excellent news (not about his injury) but in that it takes away any chance Osh makes the brain dead move

Better yet...just go with the 5 best options as your starters...regardless of Birth certificate...kinda like what other teams do and adjust a ratio accordingly.... Playing unneeded inferior Canadians just because when you don't have to makes no sense and nobody else seems to want to do that, and if there is a team playing 8 true ones..maybe 9...They are the best option. That also goes with Imports...Play your best maximum allowed and build the roster and ratio accordingly...Know your assets...weaknesses...and make the moves in FA and drafting and recruiting to play to it. Based on our roster and 12 games in now...It's pretty clear our best unit moving forward if all are healthy would be a Pokey, White, Singer, Demski, Clercius starting 5 with Neild as the main backup/rotation guy, Cobb as depth as he can be muti-faceted. I wouldn't even be dressing Daniels currently as Clercius...MCI and Eli can handle the TE heavy set stuff..They did before. I'd even go a step further and dump the Elsbury experiment and just run with Eli and with 3 Cdn interior guys...Demski and BO add Womack for Elsbury and integrate him if for anything to see what he has, We can easily do that ratio wise with only 2 Canadians needed and declared on defense as National starters....and could freely swap out Kelly from safety or even just replace him totally and he goes back to teams and backup We have a import spot to fill for Saturday with Woodbey down and out, now what we do with it will show how dense Osh truly is....There are several options we could actually add to roster that will have use outside of teams in place of the most likely Hazen addition...You could add Womack..Jaworski..Jenkins...all guy who could come in in a rotational way, and actually be actual back up to a starter if need be. Plus allows us to actually see them in a real game and if they are even worth being here

yeah agree...and really, he should just be seen as one of the 5 starters....and is being replace...finally... by the better option

Yeah hes not option 5 per say..a good recieving group and schemed team also doesn't look at guys like that positionally. He's undoubtedly 5th best of the starters tho..and rarely gets looked to or involved because he won't really offer you anything and really doesn't make himself an option on any given play If he was getting himself open and free...or found himself behind coverage for a kill shot...or streaking free across middle on a slant a qb will find him. We as a team essentially scheme him out of the play by the insistance of playing a lesser player there..I agree he gives it his all..Is probably a great teammate..does all the right things...but that alone doesn't make the player...or justify the spot when you could use a better option Much like Thomas before he retired..checked the same boxes...except the key one Both are just 2 examples of a coaches choice trumping actual value to the team. Just look at our reciever numbers 1 thru 5...even the 6th guy when we actually had..and rostered talent and compare Cobbs numbers..what Corcoran had put up...and even Neilds...they aren't even close in comparison or value to the offence Therein lies a big part of the offensive woes

singer can just stay on in Hazens former spot...as he was last game...easy peasy

With demski back next week you play him inside and slide Nield out in cobbs spot..ideally you use Clercius over neild and rotate different guys and looks outside..make defences have to account for and decide coverage based on who's outside A group of White..Wilson..Demski..Singer and Clercius used as our main 5 with Neild as the rotation/backup is our best unit to move forward with. Id even go as far as pooching Cobb right off as we still will roster Daniels anyway and replace him with Stuart and put him at safety...Kelly has shown he's not the guy for there so make the tweak..plus Stuart killed it on teams until inexplicably being yanked off the roster..he has most upside of any of our cdn db's so its foolish not to develop him and at least at minimum work on teams and own it..much like Smith did his rookie yr

yup....this notion the 5th is a waste of space and not gonna see balls anyway is dumb logic Look back at our cup wins...all 5 guys were a threat...made plays...and had to be accounted for...same with the good teams now...no guy is out there as a starter and after 12 games is averaging 1.5 catches a game for a sparkling 11 yards a game Just look at 2018 for example...Woli was our 5th guy behind Demski..,Darvin Adams...Dressler and Bowman...went 45 for 650...5 td's 2019...we had Woli..Adams...Lawler..Demski..Whitehead/Bailey..no duds there...We even moved on from Mathews thatyr who was in some kind of haxe...and still had a Peterman and Grant as backups 2021 we had Adams..Demski..Woli..Lawler..Bailey with BOLO and Grant...again...where is the useless slug? 2022...Schoen..Demski..Bailey..woli...then Ellingson but got hurt and filtered thru some guys..Agudusi..Harrison....but still had BOLO and Grant...nowhere to be seen where the likes of a Cobb or Corcorran..A not ready for prime time Daniels...and we been sliding ever since that yr trying to replace None of those yrs did we have to employ a guy..let alone 2 that had minimal impact...all those guys were a legit threat coaching is the underlying problem because they choose the roster....it aint ZC being asked who he wants out there. Further complicating things..and again leads right back to coaching is the void we have at center...never thought I would say I wish Kolo was still here...He may have been low tier as a center but he made the right calls for most part

was great before him...and he was originally added when no guy that played extensively teams was even hurt...his first game he never touched the field, and just add's to the lunacy of that add...added for no particular reason other than Osh's dumb decision And with Woodbey down now...likely for some time...He is not the best addition either again...Jaworski would make more sense...Heck even Womack to see what he could do. I'd even like to see since Hazen just stood around anyway add Vpool or Poncius....and Osh actually take his selfish head out of arse and Nationalize Bryant...and use him as such and if Wallace is struggling...or in longer developing plays sub them in and shore up protection was Peterson...who got zero snaps

Thing Osh doesn't grasp...Guys with high upside...or legit backup ability or who can push a vet/starter for reps can also play special teams...most times better than the plug...A plug with only ST skill, is just that...a guy who serves one purpose and cant be expected to handle the previous traits I just mentioned...and why we are so thin in depth and development and seem to have to play guys out of position to cover for rotation/injury. Couple that with redundant players on roster (abundance of LB's DB types and hybrids) further skews things In the Singer example...He could have easily been on roster all yr in lieu of Hazen...and whatever slug was in before him. Hazen served zero purpose and was never gonna see field on defence..Singer would been a key part on offense as well on returns to help out Vaval...especially in games where he was knicked like last game And you mentioned MCI...He is crazy good on teams...but also can be on offence too if used and developed...or just given a consistent role to learn and grow into...He probably one the most gifted athletes on the whole damn team but just gets neglected and stagnated. We fail miserably to develop anyone as we are too rigid in our ideals and the way we construct roster...We go in with an idea and create it by forcing things into place based on what we want the ratio to be, or think is best use of talent...instead of recognizing and then utilizing the best talent available and work your ratio from that. That's assbackwards and really stupid managing of the roster. And just look at the configuration of the PR and how it does nothing currently to serve the needs and coverage of the current rostered team...it's pathetic...It's not meant to be a static list of 10 players entirely, but a place to develop and or bring in and re-assess new guys...we break camp and the 45...and the 10 man PR is what it is...doesnt change...nobody loses a job for poor play...nobody gets a chance to prove themselves save for injury...and even then we have a bad rap for playing guys hurt and inneffective....History has shown us this

basically if we did a lil adapting...adjusting...sprinkled in some good coaching...a bit different decision making...we win....I agree...we lost cause of the coaching...again... yup...poor decision to go that route game 1...Sadly it seemed it was pre-decided going into camp anyway...3 Cdn receivers and an import center...regardless of what transpired in camp and if another player(s) showed to be the better route...gee where have we seen that before?... And then an even poorer decision to maintain their stance on it after 3..4 games when it was obvious it was a real weakness....and again....how many times we seen that?? And yeah with ZC he is making some decisions now also based on self-preservation...almost fear to stay safe cause he is hindered now in navigating the pocket, and effects a lot of his passes.

and obviously he is not 100 percent mobility wise as he been braced up last 2 games (if nobody has noticed)...so is a sitting duck....but leave him in to get punished and try and do long developing plays.....foolish coaching given the flow of the game...they cant decipher game flow and how to manage, let alone combat it if it slapped them in the face I also dont think Elsbury is calling out the right things...Rarely see him point out the MIKE or who occupies that spot in certain sets in order to call the blocking protection...nor is he recognizing what fronts the defence is showing to make the call for the guards to know their gap and man responsibilities, or if they have no initial responsibility and need to go second level and pick up a LB all the free guys coming at our QB is from his inability to either see, or recognize any dline shift/loop or the showing of a last second blitz and changing protection call...be it to slide, scoop...gap and the whole line knows to adjust as a unit...all the confusion we see and at times them looking like keystone cops tells me the center isnt making the right blocking calls. And really what a shock for a raw "american" rookie seeing a lot of stuff for the first time...ever... and screwing that up...Makes sense cause so many times when the defences run different things we seem to not know who to block....That goes right back again to poor coaching and poor coaching decision with who's playing. Our line has never looked worse...and there is a reason why....and the stupidest part of it is we are wasting a American spot sorely needed elswhere ZC is gonna make the pre snap and overall audibles the center is the right hand/traffic cop in making the primary identification calls, and then any adjustments required based on what he see's...and he failing badly there....plus his snaps are all over map further messing up rhythm and timing

lol...yeah I already commented on my oopsie! I was just looking at last names and didnt see williams

it's up to the coaches to have the intelligence to teach and show...explain...heck do it themselves to get the point across if need be....Seen that first hand too... of even the most basic stuff at yes...the pro level. Also to recognize that this player...or that player is piss poor in tackling, blocking...recognition of say a blitz...and either "coach" them up....or put on the big boy pants which comes along with actual ability to evaluate talent...and or assess it. We fail repeatedly in this regard...over and over and over. To say it's not the coach's fault or to throw blame at them for players failures, or inability to do the most basic things...game in and game out, many times it's the same culprits is laughable and one the poorest and dare I say stupidest excuses ever uttered here. They put these duds on the roster, they create the game plan and schemes, and should be doing things to suit particular talents of the guys they rostered. They run the practices to prepare a team for each game...and poor execution from players is from a lack of good preparation...inability to maximize a player(s) skill set...or the recognition that a particular player is just not good enough. That's all coaching failure...plain and simple. @GCn20 you were on your soapbox saying that reason some guys are not getting a chance and rot on the PR or are imprisoned in a backup role or ST only is because they aren't any better...Your words not my putting in your mouth. So just from the last game alone explain how Singer is not a better option than Cobb/Corcoran....and actually Nield too, to have had him parked on the PR all yr...despite many who saw practice...media...and coaches saying he just makes plays every day...tho your intel you said he not on roster because he is unimpressive in practice and isn't grasping the offence. Same with Smith...whenever he got a chance he just made plays...is prob our best defender consistently overall and had to have guys get hurt to display that as an actual starter, and he is just a second yr guy...showing you don't need to stagnate a guy for 2..3 yrs..if you have talent and can play...you play Same with Griffin..was apparent for better part of 2 yrs he was the best SAM option we had...yet wasn't given the job and wasn't due to a ratio requirement. But finally got to take in the role and was our best defender until he got hurt Clercius as well....offers more and does more than Cobb...Corcoran...Neild, and Daniels...but alas he plays second and third fiddle until just recently...And it not a case of he "just figured it out" now.... All those examples and there are others point directly to the HC and his either inability to see what's the better option...refuses to see it to feed his bias....or just has no clue on how to evaluate talent to maximize his roster....which isn't a stretch when we see how with just the example of how he wastes DA spots game in and game out...for yrs now Sure players need to make plays...but also if they are not prepared properly and working within a scheme that makes sense and actually works, then doesn't matter who is on field bang on....coaching is lacking here big time...cant see the obvious...minimal ability to counter act...and no stones to make a tough decision

I have no clue as to what the offensive game plan was...no rhyme or reason to any of it Defensively mostly appeared to be the same stuff...we have no progression in anything.. added no new wrinkles and are very predictable, making us exploitable when it matters most