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If Kelly beats BO it is an absolute travesty. Would be the most horrific decision I will have ever been witness to. ZC>CK and BO>ZC...the math is simple. COTY should go to RD. His ability to keep the head cases in his locker room on point so far should be recognized. MOC is BO not even debatable. MODP should be Pickett but will be Betts probably. MOOL Hardrick...Winnipeg just better OL, Rookie Stiggers, ST Leake. Picking TO ST and D because they are the REAL reason for the 16-2 record. Offence just did the bare minimum.

Its the drain at the bottom of the toilet for sure. All the poop flows there. You couldn't pay me enough to live in that cesspool.

Exactly. One has to look at intangibles as well. Did Kelly even once engineer a come from behind victory, or put the team on his back when the defence was having a rough game? If he did, I missed it. It's not difficult to be a productive QB when your defence is lights out, and you can ride a lead all game long. If we are talking MOP and there is a QB bias then Zac by almost every measurable had the better season.....and BO was more outstanding then him. So you are thinking that Chad Kelly not starting in 6 years and then having success should not be a factor in this vote? Personally, I wanna see his Pop Warner numbers before I decide.

I agree. Dinwiddie and MOS did very good jobs with very good rosters but Maas had literally nothing to work with and got double digit wins on a team expected to finish last. I have never seen their heads swelled like this. It's unbearable when people who know nothing about football get swelled heads. It becomes non-sensical. Like the RIders fans a decade ago. For sure. Imo, Dinwiddie deserves it. He doesn't have the locker room that MOS does.

It just needed to be pointed out for posterity.

Nope he did not, but Kelly only hit the field because MBT had crapped the bed worse than Collaros was crapping the bed and had a boo boo.

In all fairness, Brown didn't exactly inspire last season. Knowing what we know now about him it certainly was a mistake but not one that was easily apparent last year.

Jeffcoat should have been Marino'd a long time ago out of this league, and Bomber receivers are already standing down field when the play is blown in....yea...I think Migs said that a time or two.

For sure. I mean Collaros played below average. Not his fault...but facts are facts.

As he should be.

After being completely dominant all season long we just flat out laid an egg in the biggest game. It happens...just very poor timing. The Argos, to their credit, came to play but let's call a spade a spade the Bombers made a crap load of unforced errors in that game.

Absolutely, having a former player who played the game the right way is even more helpful. MOS would die for his team mates when he played and that's the kind of guy any team should want coaching.

If teams had the benefit of a lot of games early vs. Hamilton and Ottawa those were free spots on the bingo card really. Hamilton didn't even have an OL to start the season.

The locker room does that but MOS is responsible for empowering the players to police themselves. He asked them all to be accountable to each other and recognized who the leaders were in that room and gave them carte blanche to lead. Believe it or not, a lot of head coaches get very threatened by that.

Says to me that the Argos are lucky they have a good defence. I guess bottom line for me to qualify as most outstanding is demonstrating the ability to put the team on your back and drag them to victory. Can anyone truly say that Kelly was the difference between winning and losing in any Argo game this year? I don't think so. They are just a very well rounded team that needs a game manager to be a winning team. Like BC last year, Toronto had the benefit of having the cheapest starting QB to enter the season and therefore to sign/re-sign players last offseason. Next year Chad will be making 600k and it will cost the Argos a few good players to pay him that. He better turn into that guy that can put a team on his back because he won't have the same well oiled machine around him.

Bighill makes dirty hit every single play, and our OL, ALL 5 OF THEM, are holding on every play. We should have 992 penalties for 8000 yards in penalties this season but the fix is in because Ambrosie lived in Winnipeg a long time ago. Signed, Riderfans

Completely agree. Kelly did his job and did it well. Nothing more. BO exceeded all expectations. Toronto's average starting field position and number of offensive series is by far the most in the CFL, yet they squandered a lot of those opportunities with a pretty pedestrian red zone efficiency.

Imagine nothing but tumbleweeds showing up to your stadium to watch it. Honestly, the only thing your team is worthy of is pity for having such a fickle fan base. Argo fans have absolutely nothing they should be beaking off about, as a fan base you are the embarrassment of the league. Sorry Bluto, I know you try be a good fan but cockiness is not something you guys deserve to have.

Ambles is an insurance policy, and a pretty good one for the price. I don't foresee him hitting the field unless things go from bad to worse in our receiving corps injuries. Nice option to have, should fit our room well also. These are exactly the type of moves a really good GM does near playoff time when depth at some areas is questionable.

One thing, and I think it's a massive mistake by the Argos, is that they completely coddled and protected Kelly from having to face any form of adversity this year. A first year starter needs to have those rough games down the stretch when the bullets are really flying. We will see how he handles the mental pressure of leading a team through the playoffs, and despite the success he had this will be his first time doing so and first year starters do NOT have a ton of success historically and it's generally because they have never seen or experienced how ratcheted up play is. Windows are smaller, time in the pocket is less, weather is colder,...just a ton of adversity you don't see in the regular season and it surprises most of them and not in a good way. It would not surprise me at all to see the Argos upset in the EF because all of a sudden Kelly is turning the ball over and then the whole thing snow balls on him.

What? I thought Jackson just picks him up under his arm and runs him to whatever yard line BO decides pre-play. That's why I love this forum, learning football.. lol. But seriously wtf said that Jackson is a big reason for BO's success...dude isn't even on the field for 90% of his touches.

Lumsden might be exactly what they need. Hope they try him out.

I think Ambles is just a worst case scenario pick up that is costing us pretty much nothing so why not. Might not be the last vet we add to the PR right now either.

Chad Kelly is an average QB on a really good team. Nothing wrong with that, and I don't believe he's reached his ceiling, but it would be a farce if he were to win MOP this year based on very pedestrian ability to put the ball in the end zone. He ranks 6th in QB red zone efficiency, and that is one of the gold standards of QB play I look for. For sure. Rourke was sizzling out of the gate last year. Flutie-esque numbers.

Good thing Dinwiddie did not let Kelly show his true greatness, we may have all been blinded.