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  2. Wrestling

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    21 minutes ago, Brandon said:

    I didn't realize that originally McMahon wanted Owen Hart to become the next Bret and was going to push him to the moon until HBK poo-poo'd on it.  I was a big fan of Owen and his work in the ring.... would of liked to have seen him on top with the belt for a run. 

    Yeah, the story wrote itself after Montreal.  Owen came back super hot.  Im not sure he could have carried the place as a top guy like Bret but he was certainly super talented and deserved a lot better than the Blue Blazer.  He quit WWE after Montreal, not because he really wanted to leave but out of loyalty.  I wonder how he in WCW would have worked had he arrived with Bret.  But Vince desperately wanted to keep one of the Harts, probably for the Canadian market and to try and repair his image a bit, so they offered a big contract extension to stay which he did.

    I'd have considered having him beat Bret for the title in their cage match.  Interesting side note, when the brother vs brother angle was pitched to Bret by Patterson, the original idea was for Bruce Hart to be the brother than turned on Bret.  Bret said Bruce could never make it work and pushed for Owen.  Patterson (and presumably Vince) thought Owen was more a mid card comedy guy (what the hell did they think Bruce would be) but Bret insisted.  Bruce was hot at Bret for that.

  4. Wrestling

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    The Dark Side of the Ring episode about Owen's death was really....I dont want to say good, but obviously well done and heartbreaking.  It sparked a lot of discussion about Owen this week and the fact his family wont let WWE induct him into the Hall of Fame.

    I thought this was important to know - how pathetic WWE is to release this statement:

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    Jerry McDevitt, who was the WWF and McMahon’s attorney in the case, contacted CBS Sports after the interview and said Dr. Hart’s version was not accurate.

    “Her and her lawyer, in reality, had tried to get the members of the Hart family, Owen's brothers and sisters, to sign a document in which they would agree to support Martha and her case and they would not talk to WWE. In exchange for that, they were all promised a share of any verdict or settlement, which is highly illegal, completely improper and you can get in big trouble for that. What happened was some of the members of the Hart family were offended by this because they realized this was wrong. ... They knew this was wrong and they faxed me those documents, which I fell out of the chair when I read them. I was like, 'You've got to be kidding me. This is completely illegal, you can't do this stuff.' All of that was then brought to the attention of the judge in Kansas City."

    “She talked about how $18 million settlement, she didn't really want to do that, she wanted justice. Again, that's just not true. There was court-ordered mediation. We went to the mediation, and her lawyers were demanding $35 million and some admission of punitive damages. Vince told her right there, 'Look, Martha, I feel so bad for what happened. I feel responsible because this happened on my watch. I want to take care of you and your family, I loved Owen.' He was almost crying. We offered $17 million to take care of her. How many times does a CEO walk in a room and say he feels responsible? 'I'm not going to argue, I just feel responsible for what happened.' They turned it down; they wanted to go to court for their $35 million. Fine, we'll go and litigate. The next day, I get a call from her Canadian lawyer, saying they didn't want to do it because they knew what they were facing with the other things I talked about. They said, 'If you could put a little more money in. If you can go to $18 million we'll settle right now.' That's how the settlement went down."

    McDevitt also said, “Martha was not even remotely interested in finding out what happened that night; she just wanted to used it as a vehicle to beat up a business that she didn't like that her husband was in, the wrestling business."

    McDevitt also told Sports Illustrated that it was the manufacturer of the shackle device that was at fault, not the WWE, saying, “The manufacturer of the quick release device, if there is anybody directly responsible for Owen’s death, it would have been the manufacturer for that device.” McDevitt also said, “It is kind of difficult because you do want to respect the grieving widow, but it’s 21 years later and it’s time to stop the lies. It’s just not what happened here. Martha was her own worst enemy in that lawsuit. We were the ones that were trying to take care of her despite the stuff she kept doing to try to make it hard to get to what happened that night. She tries to make it look like she overcame these terrible people who were doing all these terrible things to her in the litigation. It’s exactly the opposite. You won’t find any wrongdoing by WWE by any judge in that lawsuit against her, ever.”

    Also Im not even sure you can the manufacturer was at fault although the shackle may have released without being triggered.  But it took very very minimal pressure to release and was NOT designed for humans to repel with.  It was a sailing shackle.  And WWE wanted to use it because they wanted a quick release rather then the few seconds it took for Owen to release himself from the safe shackle.

  7. Vince McMahon considers move to bring back the XFL

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    Some news & analysis from Dave Meltzer

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    Certain strategies have led to speculation that Vince McMahon will attempt to buy the intellectual property of the XFL in bankruptcy court and then resurrect the league.

    Daniel Kaplan of The Athletic first wrote the story on 5/19, based on the fact those involved with the bankruptcy are attempting to refund the $3.5 million in money owed fans for tickets for the remainder of this season and season tickets that were sold for next season. Before declaring bankruptcy, McMahon had ordered all ticket money to be refunded, including for next season, which was the first public hint that the league was done.

    Other creditors who are owed money want the $3.5 million as part of the debt with whatever money could be left by selling assets going to the creditors. Another aspect of the story is that McMahon himself is also listed as a creditor because he loaned the XFL money for the last few payrolls and is still paying XFL President Jeffrey Pollack and some office workers basically to facilitate the closing of the league.

    The idea being floated is that McMahon would purchase the assets of the league, the key being intellectual property and some contracts he would want to keep, at a fire sale price, while allowing him to get out of paying up to $50 million in bills still owed from the launch of the league.

    Axios had reported that the XFL itself was launching a Hail Mary to find a new financial backer after the Chapter 11 bankruptcy filing with Houlihan Lokey managing the process and letters of intent being due on 6/12 and formal bidding among those interested for the assets taking place on 7/6.

    The league was owned 80 percent by McMahon and 20 percent by WWE, which came out at bankruptcy and also called into question many statements, including at conference calls, where McMahon claimed the WWE would not be involved with the XFL and it was his solo venture. The WWE was actually given the ownership rights and did not put money into the league, in a deal that McMahon essentially made with himself so he would own the league name and other intellectual property rights that WWE owned from the first version of the league.

    Unsecured debtors expressed concern in recent court filings that moves they had learned make them believe the bankruptcy could have been a “cutthroat finance ploy by McMahon to ride out the pandemic and resultant economic turmoil without paying the costs of operating the league...(and then acquiring the rights to the league again) at a fire-sale price.”

    The story noted that Pollack has contacted the stadiums in both Seattle and St. Louis, two cities where they drew well, about reinstating the league’s lease agreements. The XFL owed money all over both of those markets and one of the biggest debts listed in the bankruptcy was to the stadium in St. Louis.

    While some look at this like it was a plan, it was a bad plan because McMahon, while perhaps saving some money, pretty much ruined his name in football when stiffing Oliver Luck, and many of the coaches who were well respected in that world. There perhaps could have been the idea to get out of the huge salary he paid Luck and some of the higher-priced coaches on multi-year contracts and start up with a lower budget. The original marketing idea was to build teams around well-know coaches, who got big contracts, and star quarterbacks.

    Perhaps it was also a way to get out of his television deals which paid no money, with the idea that with the ratings the league did at first, there was value in those shows. But that’s tough right now because with the state of the television economy, nobody is looking at adding new costs and XFL ratings were declining significantly by the week. While the early numbers looked good, particularly in the first three weeks and even the fourth week, when they continued to decline at such a big level in week five, there were great concerns about the long-term viability.

    The feeling is that getting players, even after so many were also stiffed, won’t be a problem because there are tons of players coming out of college every year who still want to play football and won’t make NFL teams. In addition, the Canadian Football League is also facing great economic hardships right now related to the pandemic and the economy.

    But getting quality people working in administrations, promotions, coaching and other facets of running a league will become far more difficult. Host cities and stadiums will almost surely want money up front or be ambivalent about working with the league. The league will be seen, rightly so, as something with no stability and being headed by someone who can’t be trusted given the stiffing of the coaches and the publicity around the Luck firing.

    “I would be shocked if Vince wasn’t trying to purchase the XFL at a fire sale price,” said Daniel Ericson, who teaches law at George Washington University. “It seems like there is no other reason to pay out season ticket holders from the bankruptcy estate who are unsecured creditors and probably would get little or nothing out of protracted litigation. “

    ”Relatedly, I think Vince will quietly settle the Oliver Luck lawsuit, which is unlike him,” said Ericson. “The reasons supporting the for cause termination in Vince’s answer to the complaint seem particularly contrived. Lucks’ deal was just to large in the age of corona. One can argue about the business ethics of all this, but it strikes me as a sophisticated legal strategy.”

     

  9. Covid-19

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    5 minutes ago, bustamente said:

    He supposedly wears specially made shoes with 2 plus inches built in plus he is obese in the mid rift, the wacky WH doctor in the beginning of his term listed Trump at 6 foot 1, Trudeau is reportedly 6 foot 2

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    Doctor had him at 6'3" didnt he?  And 239lbs?  Which is impossible.  It would defy physics.  He's probably 6'0" and about 320.   Its also why he wears awful clothes.  Rich guy like him, you'd think he'd wear custom made everything but his suits look off the rack, ill fitting, over-sized.  Too long ties etc.  

  13. Covid-19

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    A bit off topic but I cant get over how Trump stands.  Does he have a back ailment?  I see people say he stands like a centaur without the hind part.  lol

    Some speculate its due to wearing large lifts in his shoes (he claims to be 6'3" but is probably 6 feet.  Its just weird.  I dont think i could stand like that if I tried.

     

  14. US Politics

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    Biden almost has to do nothing.  Just blanket the country (and be sure to use social media) with videos showing Trump being Trump.  And Joe can be Nice Guy Joe.  Another reason to choose a woman of colour as VP and let her be critical.  Trump will clap back as he does, especially showing his disdain for women and poc's and it wont be a good look.

  15. US Politics

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    I’d be a bit surprised if it’s not a person of colour.  I leaned towards Harris but she’s also make an excellent attorney general. I’ve been reading more about Susan Rice.  Highly experienced.  Could be an easy candidate for President next time if she’s the VP this time. 

  18. Wrestling

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    Just now, Jpan85 said:

    It was a pretty good Dynamite. Loved Hangman running for all the way across the field. Sammy and Matt Hardy was good. Also Arn and Jake sit down was good. It also amazing those two were never in the ring against each other.

    Loved the Arn/Jake segment.  Two master promo guys just talking.  Was waiting for a reference to Arn's DDT though.  He had a heck of a DDT.

    Sammy is pure gold.  Brit Baker looked like she blew her knew out badly.  Heard Fenix is okay.  Nice of everyone to not catch him on the moonsault.

  20. Covid-19

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    44 minutes ago, Mark H. said:

    No thanks.  We look after an abandoned gravel pit. Cans, bottles and broken glass are a constant problem.  Drinking in a public park is the last thing I would want see. 

    I wonder though, if they allowed it and provided increased garbage and recycling bins, if people would be more responsible to avoid losing it.  Send in the by law officers to hand out littering tickets.

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