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Fogg in game 1 just before "halftime" at very least.

That is odd criteria. Comebacks don't have to happen on the last drive. Fact is that this team was in a lot of holes last year and the year before that they had to dig themselves out of.

So you say they ruined WIlly, but don't give pause and think perhaps they're doing the same to NIchols?

I said it before, that line is tired and untrue. It's not realism, it's just a different sort of bias.

Oh they came back a bunch, had to when the D started off games the way they did so many times last year and the year before.

y'all need to stop being such negatrons, be positive, it won't kill you.

Yeah but we get this sorry assed Montreal team next week so who cares?

Do we need one though? Fogg is fine as a punt returner and I don't think we suffer too greatly on kick returns. A returner to me is a luxury item that isn't a high priority to acquire. receivers are much more important right now.

Because this team telegraphs what it's going to do. It's a tradition with Lapolice.

How often does Nichols miss open targets? Honest question.

I actually don't think it's an injury with Nichols, I think it's Harris and Dressler more than anything else. It's no secret that those two guys are tailor made for the offense that Lapolice likes to run, and they have put some hard hard miles on Harris' body this year. I suspect that he is hurting but soldiering through it because that's the kind of player he is, and with Dressler out that's one less crutch in the offense. Lapolice of course has never been good at adjusting and adapting so without those guys being at 100% the offense is faltering, especially when teams know that taking away Harris is priorities 1-6 in their defensive game plan.

There are only like 4 head referees in the cfl, of course you will know their names. You hear them every week.

And if we are talking about Dressler, well the offense fell apart when he went out so.....

Toronto last year probably counts, Wilder Jr. did a lot of work for that team late in the year.

Considering where this regime has brought us to, yes I do think we can give them more rope.

I do, Etch and Bellefool were not the first choices for anyone, but people didn't sign in Winnipeg, it was a place notorious for not giving coaches a chance so they were the best we could get. People just desperate to have a job. Next time around there was a lot of pressure to hire guys with a lot more experience, including that head coaching experience because the teams record was awful and there was a lot of talk that if things didn't improve a guy like Lapolice would be next in line to be head coach. The next time Mike O'Shea hires coordinators he won't have any of those handicaps. I want to see what the guy does hiring people he truly believes in rather than hiring whatever he can get or simply looking for experienced faces.

No see I don't want to fire Walters either. I want him to improve the teams american recruitment, and I want O'Shea to improve his coordinators. You can do both without firing everyone. But again, angry people want heads to roll to soothe their anger. Walters and O'Shea both bring valuable things to this team, why do you people ignore those?

If you are arguing that the edmonton passing game is better than Winnipegs OK, but why you leaving out the rushing numbers? Even so it seems that things are much closer than you are making it seem... 1.3 PPG difference, that's even with the massive, massive slump the Bombers have been in the last month, 4 TDs different, seems to me we got a comparable offense.

And I have said that O'Shea ultimately wears the coordinators failings, but I also say that there were other factors going in and am willing to over look that and give him another chance because of the good things he does do for the team. Things are never as black and white as some people like to make them seem.

Probably thinks Puerto Ricans are mexicans and heaps of deads ones is a good thing.

Mike O'Shea being Canadian is hand cuffing the team? I don't think so. Hell we have had several FAs claim that they came here in large part because of their respect for Mike O'Shea. No he isn't the problem with attracting players, he's not supposed to have to do the scouts jobs, that is Kyle Walters responsibilities. The biggest failing Mike O'Shea has had as a head coach is his choice of coordinators. Lapo and Hall were never the best choices. They were the safe choices. Guys with lots of experience including head coaching experience and they were largely there to be the training wheels for a rookie head coach with a very poor record at the time, again in large part because of even worse coordinators. Now we've gone round and round and round about why we had those first bunch of useless coordinators and why they went with the safe choices for coordinators this last time, but I do believe that you give O'Shea more time he will jettison Lapo and Hall and get some real guys in here. Hell there was already a ton of speculation that hiring Younger was grabbing Halls replacement while they could. Now it's just a matter of them tossing Lapo on his ass (again) like he deserves.

Kyle Walters is the man in charge of this team. He hires the scouts, he hires the coach, it all goes back to him because he is the one in charge. I am also going to call bullshit on Ross being 3rd string and no discovering Streveler. Streveler was coming to camp regardless and he probably still would have beaten Ross for a spot, we just wouldn't have seen him play this year, which is very normal for your development qb.

Nichols was always going to start the next game. Streveler didn't go out and blow the doors off, he showed the same struggles NIchols was having so of course they'll go back to the veteran guy. Probably have Nichols on a shorter leash than in the past but he was going to be the guy.