Rich

Do you really think he signed Burris to spite the Bombers or he signed Burris to make his team better? Why would he hold a personal grudge against the Bombers?

Hutchinson starting tonight. Surprising to deviate from the rotation against Edmonton. Another chance for Hutch to claim the starters job?

So this means that Jokinen will miss the playoffs .... again.

Myers is a way better skater then I ever expected for someone with his size. Very smooth.

No, that is absolutely not enough for Eberle. Ask anyone on this board who is not a Winnipeg Jet or Edmonton Oiler fan so would be more impartial to the players, and that trade would be laughed at. A bottom 6 D on the downside of his career, an expiring UFA, rights to a player who may or may not sign and who knows for what, and another throw in 5 - 6 D man at best, reserve D man right now for the Jets and a 1st rounder for what is potentially a franchise player at best, a top line player at worst who is signed to $6M / year with a lot of term.

You can't compare contracts that were signed 3 - 5 years ago to market value today. You will be hard pressed to sign any player if you do that. A lot of those players would be making a whole lot more if they were signed today. That is the trade off of long term deals. The downside for the club is if the player under performs, contracts are guaranteed. What you have to be careful of is the money you spend on Frolik now will dictate the money that Little, Ladd, Buff etc will want when their contracts are due. In my opinion you also over value what players like Postma and Burmi are worth right now. No one will give up a top six with term for a bag of pucks, unsigned players with no cost certainty, and expiring contracts. Even with a draft pick thrown in.

Myers cap hit is $5.5M per year for the length of his contact (expiring after 2018/2019). But his actual salary is $5M this year, $5M next year then $4M, then $3.5M, then $3M Bogosian's cap hit is $5.13M per year for the length of his contract. But his actual salary is $4M this year, then $5.25M, then $5.25M, then $5.5M, then $6M (I think he has one more year after that, but nhlnumbers.com doesn't show it) So for a non-cap team like the Jets, this is a fantastic deal as they budget based on actual dollars paid out and Myers contract will allow them to come up closer to the cap.

I agreed with not trading for rentals or players who were going to walk for the first couple of years the Jets were here. But the cupboards were bare and we had no prospects / assets or depth.. But right now, the Jets are flush with prospects. The NHL has a 50 contract limit that each team must abide by. This included contracts in the pros and minors (I believe junior players who have signed as well). I haven't done the math on where the Jets are right now, but with the prospects we have coming up in the next couple of years, this is going to have to be watched and managed. With the recent Buffalo trade, many experts are saying the Jets are right up there with the best prospects in the league. Lets be honest, if we trade Frolik it is going to be for prospects or draft picks because he is a UFA after this year. How many prospects do we really need? We can't keep them all, how do we decide which ones we are going to keep. Bottom line is, you can't take the last step before you take the first. The Jets aren't going to be contenders until they are able to make the playoffs and experience what it takes to win once they get in there. The longer we delay that, the longer we delay them being contenders. Trading Frolik sends the wrong message to this team. They have worked their asses off this year, have taken the punishment on their bodies that their style of play demands of them. And to have the GM trade one of the important pieces of the team THIS year, tells those players that what they've sacrificed is for nothing. And they won't be sacrificing next year. And when their contracts come due, they won't re-sign here. They will go to an organization that wants to win. We can argue this back and forth, but at the end of the day I can guarantee Chevy isn't going to be trading Frolik as long as we are in the playoff hunt unless it is for a trade to strengthen that playoff push.

Phillips rated as a 6 D.

Kasdorf was traded to Buffalo. Winnipeg kid who was a late draft pick. With our other goalie prospects coming up, Kasdorf really had no shot here, and juries out on what he becomes in his career. Hockey's Future rates him as a 7 D. The 7 means they rate his potential (ceiling) as a journeyman #1 Goalie. The D is the likelihood of him hitting that potential. So, not very high. For comparison (Other Jets goalies / prospects), Eric Comrie - 7.5 D Hellebuyck - 7.5 D Hutchinson - 7.0 D Pavelec - Was an 8 A

Found this to be a very interesting read in dissecting the difference in Pavelec’s and Hutchinson’s games right now with the Jets, and how the rotation they are currently using allows Flaherty to work with both goalies, but more specifically adding a more technical approach to Pavelec’s game where he has mostly only relied on his athleticism in the past. http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=752985&navid=nhl:topheads&cmpid=nhl-twt The more you learn about how this organization was run in Atlanta makes you appreciate what True North and Chevy are building here.

What did you have to change to make it happen in game?

In my eyes, +/- is really more of a team stat, and Buffalo is a horrible team right now. I wouldn’t worry too much about his numbers in Buffalo. I was reading some fan comments from one of Buffalo’s papers last night on the trade, and the consensus there seems to be that Myers & Stafford are soft & overpaid and they are glad to be getting rid of them. They seem to think Myers is going to get eaten alive going to the West and happy to be getting a couple of hardnosed, physical, Western players. Which I got a bit of a chuckle at because it wasn’t that long ago that the Jets were a “soft” Eastern team that everyone thought was going to get eaten alive in the West, including Bogo and Kane. It took Maurice and his staff half a season and an off season to focus the Jets into the team they are now. Look at what they’ve done to Byfuglien’s game. Hopefully they can work the same magic with Myers. I think it is great when both fan bases like the deal they got in a trade. Buffalo got the better “now” pieces (even if we re-sign Stafford). But we got rid of a problem/distraction in the dressing room. Also, apparently there were rumblings that Lemieux wasn’t going to sign in Buffalo, so they are happy to be rid of a prospect who didn’t want to be there, just like we are happy to be rid of Kane. Won’t know the full ramifications of this trade for a number of years when we see what the prospects turn into and what Kane is able to do in Buffalo (does he continue on the path he is on now or does he mature). But for now, both fan bases seem to be happy, and that is a win / win.

Stu Barnes ended up with a 16 year playing career - 1,136 games played, 261 goals, 336 assists for 597 points and 438 penalty minutes. I hope Petan's offensive upside is a little more then Stu Barnes, but there are worse people you could be compared to.

Don't think I would go much more then $4M - $4.5M on Frolik. Definitely would have to stay under $5M. Maybe a 4 year deal starting at $4M and escalating up to $5M over the length of it for an AAV of $4.5M And I don't think that is going to get it done when he is this close to FA and seeing what he can get on the open market.

All the risk is on Buffalo... Bogosian misses games mysteriously every season and Kane who knows if he ever grows up and matures. Much higher odds of Myers working out and at least one of the prospects turning into a solid player. Stafford and the draft pick is gravy and if they stay it will be a fleecing. I would watch for Kane to have impressive numbers next season. He will play top line minutes and Im betting the team will play to his strengths. They will lose a lot of games 6-5. So bad news for Bogo who will be shell shocked but Kane with one of the big time centers in this years drafts will just play run and gun. Actually Bogo will likely get a lot of assists. This is the type of deal that could be good for both teams. if Kane ends up scoring 40 goals, great. It means it worked out for Buffalo but doesnt mean it was a loser for the Jets. If Lemiuex and Armia become regular NHL'ers, we won too. If they dont, then you can re-evaluate. If the Jets sign one of Stafford or Frolik but not the other, I'd suspect that gives Armia a chance to make the 3RW next season. What wing does Petan play, knowing he's a natural center? I think Ehlers can play both wings..but didnt they have Petan playing center and wing during training camp? Petan can be effective playing either center or wing but my guess is we start him at center un till he finds his game playing against NHL players. My guess is Frolik wont be going anywhere... Maurice likes him and uses him all over the place. Maurice has said a bunch of times he can stick him on any line to jump start players and if i had to guess he will use him alot playing with whatever young guys make it up next year and i also think he will play on a line with the new guys tonight. I agree about Ehlers hes shifty and can prolly play any wing without missing a beat. Petan's biggest challenge in the NHL will be his size. This will affect him in both faceoffs and defensive responsibilities. It is way easier to play wing then center. I can see him going to the wing until he can prove he can handle the bigger NHL players.

He was part of Toronto for a second before coming here. SK traded him to TO. Then TO to Wpg right after.

To be fair it is a big of a gamble that he doesn't become an every down player to earn that salary. But the Bombers are weak in NI talent. There isn't another NI starter to pay that money to. If he turns out then great. If he doesn't then hopefully we have someone else ready to take his place when that contract is done. This may just be a stop gap until our drafted players can step in.

Split from the Kane trade thread in the Jets forum.

Add me to the list of people who prefer Royal Blue. Currently wear my Royal Blue Walby to the games (bought a few years back when they re-released the Royals), and won't be buying another jersey with the current design.

Deleted a bunch of posts in here regarding the rumors of Bogosian. Thought it would just die on its own, but apparently people like to keep arguing rumours that they themselves posted as probably being false. It is one thing to have open discussion on a message board, it is quite another to propagate unfounded rumors and gossip.

How does this work for someone like Armia? What years are we burning? Sorry I'm a noob at NHL contract stuff. Actually, it probably doesn’t affect Armia as much as I forgot he is already playing the minors. For Junior players, the magic number is 9. If they play 10 games in the NHL, they burn 1 year of their 3 year entry level contract. So if you have an 18 / 19 year old player who you think will be sent back down to juniors, you don’t want to play him that 10th game in a season, or you burn one year of that cheap entry level deal. The bigger one would be the 40th game. If a player plays 40 NHL games, then he has accrued one year of service towards the seven years required to become an UFA. We are far enough along that there aren’t 40 games left in the season. What I don’t know is if playoffs count towards those 40. Also, Armia is 21, and you become a UFA at either 7 years of NHL or at the age of 27. He hasn't burnt any RFA years yet, but because of his age, it doesn't matter if we burn one now. He will be a UFA at 27 regardless. If he is ready, bring him up!

Unless we get major injuries, would be surprised to see Armia up this year. Without seeing first hand what he can do with this team and system, it is risky to bring him up this late in the season and burn a year of eligibility.

Trade is now complete and approved by the NHL. Cormier sent down to St. Johns. Chevy about to address the media.