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'NHL is ready for gay player,'

'NHL is ready for gay player,' says Patrick Burke

 

http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/14052110/nhl-play-co-founder-patrick-burke-says-nhl-ready-gay-player

 

When the NHL brought on You Can Play as an official partner in the spring of 2013, the hope was that the league's first openly gay player wasn't far behind.

 

Two and a half years later, we are still waiting.

 

"It's surprising," Patrick Burke, the co-founder of You Can Play, said Tuesday. "We felt that the work the league was doing, the culture that the league had, the way our guys responded not just to our initiative, but to the LGBT community in general, I think we thought for sure by now there would be an out player in the NHL."

 

Burke paused before adding: "I don't want to say it's disappointing because everyone is on their own timeline and when the first guy is ready he's going to do it."

 

And if there was any remaining doubt about whether there were gay NHL players -- I don't know how anyone could even wonder that -- Burke says You Can Play has indeed heard from gay players in the league.

 

"Look, we denied it for several years because we didn't want players to feel pressure, we didn't want to kick off a witch hunt, we didn't want people trying to guess who was who," said Burke. "But yes, our organization has spoken with gay players in the National Hockey League, gay staff members, gay media members.

 

"If we could coordinate everyone we know in professional sports, not just hockey, to come out all at once, it would be world-changing overnight. But for a variety of different reasons, there are men and women who still don't think it's the right decision for them to come out at this time."

 

I suppose if there are still homophobic NHLers they're not going to come out and say so. All I can tell you is that in the dressing room of one of the NHL's most storied franchises, the captain of the team says it would be a non-issue.

 

"No issue at all, no issue at all," Toronto Maple Leafs captain Dion Phaneuf repeated for emphasis Wednesday. "It would be welcomed and accepted with open arms in our room. That's how I feel, I would accept it."

 

That feeling was echoed down the hall in the visitors' dressing room at Air Canada Centre.

 

"We got a good group in here, I don't think anybody would have an issue with it," said Winnipeg Jets captain Andrew Ladd. "It makes zero difference to us whatever your sexual orientation is; that's their personal life. I really don't think in this day and age it would be much of an issue."

 

And yet, we wait. Why hasn't it happened yet?

 

"I mean, it's easy for us to say, we're not in their shoes," said Ladd. "It's a choice, especially if you're the first one, it's going to be pretty magnified and it's going to take a strong person to be able to do it and go through the rigors of playing NHL hockey every day. All you can do as a teammate or friend is be supportive and accepting whenever it comes."

 

Burke has a few theories as to why it hasn't happened yet.

 

"I think it has come close," he said. "I would say that the coming-out experiences for the openly gay players in other leagues -- whether it was Jason Collins, whether it was Michael Sam -- those guys have had let's call them up and down experiences. Jason came out and was out of work for six or seven months. Mike came out and hasn't been able to find a home in the NFL. I wonder how many positive gay athletes are looking at that and thinking, 'Is that because they're gay or is that because they're both journeymen-level talent players.' How much of that is an authentic, scouting-based 'these guys just weren't good enough to help us' evaluation and how much of that is 'We don't' want a gay player on our team.'

 

"I suspect there's a lot of players in our league looking at the situations with other gay athletes and wondering how much of that is because they're gay."

 

The reality, to be fair, is that while Collins and Sam were incredibly courageous to come out, neither is a prominent player near the top of their respective food chain.

 

"Jason is a friend of mine so I have no problem saying that, he would be the first to admit he was a depth/bench player who played 4-5 minutes a night," said Burke. "The Michael Sam story is probably worthy of a book, the stuff that we know and have been involved on both sides of things there."

 

Then, Burke said, there's the question of hockey culture itself.

 

"Hockey is all about the team. Hockey culture hates individualism," said Burke. "Whether that's right or wrong, hockey culture is that you do not stand out. You do not make yourself different from the team. We've had players in our league that have been yelled at for high-fiving too aggressively. So I do wonder from talking to a bunch of different players in the league that this is a team sport and almost an obsessively team culture and I think there are guys out there that are nervous about the idea that them coming out would somehow be going against that."

 

And finally, Burke wonders about his own role in all this. The man who has done so much through his work with You Can Play wonders whether taking a job with the NHL's Player Safety Department in the spring of 2013 hasn't hindered things in terms of having players come out.

 

"I think we would probably be further along had I not taken a job where part of my job is suspending players. Rightly or wrongly," said Burke. "We (You Can Play) interact with players all the time, whether it's guys reaching out because they have questions or guys reaching out because they want support or whatever it might be. But I really do feel taking a job where I'm part of the group suspending players really did kind of make the lines of communication between our organization and the players a little more difficult at times."

 

It's why Burke has kept a lower profile with You Can Play and let the organization's executive director Wade Davis do his thing.

 

"What I've tried to do is distance myself from You Can Play so that they know they can reach out and talk to Wade anytime, we have two different vice-presidents there, we have great resources," said Burke. "But it's part of the reason I've done less publicly with You Can Play."

 

The truth, as it stands, is that no male hockey person has come out publicly since Brendan Burke, who did so while student manager of the Miami University men's hockey team in November 2009 in a piece so well written by our own John Buccigross. Brendan Burke, Patrick's brother, tragically died in February 2010 in a car crash.

 

"I hate to selfishly praise him again but you look back at Brendan choosing to come out back in 2009, as a student-manager of the college team but with a family association to the NHL, and that was six years ago," said Burke. "We haven't had anyone else (with NHL ties) since then, not major media, not front office, not coaching, not players. I think it speaks to how amazing Brendan was, but it also shows that there clearly needs to be done something that isn't being done, or something that needs to change for players to feel comfortable to come out."

You can sense both the frustration and compassion in Burke's voice.

 

"It's tough for us as an organization where we want to stand up and scream and say, 'The NHL is ready for a gay player,'" said Burke. "Because 1,000 percent in my heart I believe that. I know that the first player who comes out is going to have a positive coming-out experience. Yet on the other hand, we know how difficult it is for anybody in the public eye to talk about their sexuality in public. Forget sports for a second, you go to politics or Hollywood, any type of celebrity, it is still an issue.

 

"On the one hand, there are days when our entire organization is like, 'Come on, we're ready, just go ahead.'"

 

Burke said when he goes to NHL events, there are team executives and agents and coaches who pull him aside and ask him why a player hasn't come out yet.

 

"They're upset that it hasn't happened yet, which I think shows how inclusive they are," said Burke. "So, it's tough. I wish there was a magic bullet that I could fire and make the players in question ready. But it's such a delicate situation. It's so much based on the person's life experience and what he wants."

 

In the meantime, Burke remains hopeful that eventually gay NHLers will feel the time is right.

 

"All we can continue to do is make efforts to let them know that the hockey community wants everyone to be themselves and live their lives authentically and be true to who you are," said Burke. "And if you're a NHL player who happens to be in love with men off the ice, nobody in our community cares, we just want you to be happy."

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Tonnes of lesbian fighters in the UFC, does anyone care...not at all.

So does each sport require each type of sexual preference to come out? What did Micheal Sam do for the gay community by coming out? Nothing at all.

Unknown poster.. For someone who wants people to safely come out it'd kind of weird to support wrestling which is awful to gay people. (See Golddust, Orlando Jordan in tna or Beautiful bobby locally) which ridiculed and made gay people look like monsters.

The gay hockey player has already came out (albeit under awful circumstances). You don't think Theo Fleury story isn't power enough?

You're remarks on wrestling are absurd. Please expand on what you mean so I can accurately respond.

To your other point again I simply say this: if you don't think this is a big deal or there is importance in coming out then so be it. But don't for one second think your opinion accurately reflects reality because it doesn't. As someone else said I think people think they are doing something good by saying "who cares" but there aren't undertansing the greater issue.

The gay hockey player has already came out (albeit under awful circumstances). You don't think Theo Fleury story isn't power enough?

Theo Fleury isn't gay. He was sexually assaulted by a pedophile. How can't you know there's a difference?

 

Tonnes of lesbian fighters in the UFC, does anyone care...not at all.

So does each sport require each type of sexual preference to come out? What did Micheal Sam do for the gay community by coming out? Nothing at all.

Unknown poster.. For someone who wants people to safely come out it'd kind of weird to support wrestling which is awful to gay people. (See Golddust, Orlando Jordan in tna or Beautiful bobby locally) which ridiculed and made gay people look like monsters.

The gay hockey player has already came out (albeit under awful circumstances). You don't think Theo Fleury story isn't power enough?

You're remarks on wrestling are absurd. Please expand on what you mean so I can accurately respond.

To your other point again I simply say this: if you don't think this is a big deal or there is importance in coming out then so be it. But don't for one second think your opinion accurately reflects reality because it doesn't. As someone else said I think people think they are doing something good by saying "who cares" but there aren't undertansing the greater issue.

 

 

 

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x125y87_goldust-marlena-in-piper-s-pit-raw-3-4-96_sport 

 

And a whole bunch of stuff when he was facing Razor Ramon that was not so good.   I don't have all the clips but they made it seem like homosexuality was disgusting.   But hey it is coming from the same place that had a 80 year old lady giving birth to a plastic hand so I guess wrestling shouldn't be used as an example of professional sports since it's pretty crass at times.  

 

The gay hockey player has already came out (albeit under awful circumstances). You don't think Theo Fleury story isn't power enough?

Theo Fleury isn't gay. He was sexually assaulted by a pedophile. How can't you know there's a difference?

 

 

I could be totally wrong and I may apologize but I thought he continued the relationship well into his adult life?   Maybe I'm getting him mixed up with one of the other victims.   As I said before it was under very sad and disgusting situation but never the less he was courageous to come out both for being a victim and for being either gay or bi.  

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The gay hockey player has already came out (albeit under awful circumstances). You don't think Theo Fleury story isn't power enough?

Theo Fleury isn't gay. He was sexually assaulted by a pedophile. How can't you know there's a difference?

I could be totally wrong and I may apologize but I thought he continued the relationship well into his adult life? Maybe I'm getting him mixed up with one of the other victims. As I said before it was under very sad and disgusting situation but never the less he was courageous to come out both for being a victim and for being either gay or bi.

What??

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Tonnes of lesbian fighters in the UFC, does anyone care...not at all.

So does each sport require each type of sexual preference to come out? What did Micheal Sam do for the gay community by coming out? Nothing at all.

Unknown poster.. For someone who wants people to safely come out it'd kind of weird to support wrestling which is awful to gay people. (See Golddust, Orlando Jordan in tna or Beautiful bobby locally) which ridiculed and made gay people look like monsters.

The gay hockey player has already came out (albeit under awful circumstances). You don't think Theo Fleury story isn't power enough?

You're remarks on wrestling are absurd. Please expand on what you mean so I can accurately respond.

To your other point again I simply say this: if you don't think this is a big deal or there is importance in coming out then so be it. But don't for one second think your opinion accurately reflects reality because it doesn't. As someone else said I think people think they are doing something good by saying "who cares" but there aren't undertansing the greater issue.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x125y87_goldust-marlena-in-piper-s-pit-raw-3-4-96_sport

And a whole bunch of stuff when he was facing Razor Ramon that was not so good. I don't have all the clips but they made it seem like homosexuality was disgusting. But hey it is coming from the same place that had a 80 year old lady giving birth to a plastic hand so I guess wrestling shouldn't be used as an example of professional sports since it's pretty crass at times.

Wrestling has been far more accepting of gay performers than the big sports leagues. A person portraying a character is different. Goldust was portrayed as someone trying to mess with with his opponents and was asked on RAW by Lawler if he was gay and he said no.

Someone tried to hang this on me in another thread awhile back. Was that you? There is a lack of knowledge about gay issues or wrestling or both.

 

 

 

The gay hockey player has already came out (albeit under awful circumstances). You don't think Theo Fleury story isn't power enough?

Theo Fleury isn't gay. He was sexually assaulted by a pedophile. How can't you know there's a difference?

I could be totally wrong and I may apologize but I thought he continued the relationship well into his adult life? Maybe I'm getting him mixed up with one of the other victims. As I said before it was under very sad and disgusting situation but never the less he was courageous to come out both for being a victim and for being either gay or bi.

What??

 

 

A grown adult man sleeping with another man doesn't count?   I know it's under sad circumstances but I was under the impression that was the same?   

Hey I thought Goldust was a good gimmick but it was offensive back in it's original days.   

 

What about Billy and Chuck ?

 

Or Adrian Adonis

 

 

That whole gimmick was a punishment to the worker and they made him a "bad guy"....     

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Brandon you don't know what you're talking about.

Brandon you don't know what you're talking about.

 

 

Ok dokie....  well my last video is just for you... I dunno it seems legit:

 

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Why would you debate wrestling with me? I'm in the business.

Adonis developed the gimmick himself and used it after he left WWE. It wasn't a punishment. Doing the gimmick he was programmed with Hogan and Piper. You don't get programmed with them as punishment.

WWE consulted with the Gay & Lesbian alliance for the Billy and Chuck angle. Gunn later said he had no issue with it and would do it again.

there are many gay guys in wrestling both wwe and locally. If there is one "sport" that doesn't have an issue with it its wrestling.

Why would you debate wrestling with me? I'm in the business.

Adonis developed the gimmick himself and used it after he left WWE. It wasn't a punishment. Doing the gimmick he was programmed with Hogan and Piper. You don't get programmed with them as punishment.

WWE consulted with the Gay & Lesbian alliance for the Billy and Chuck angle. Gunn later said he had no issue with it and would do it again.

there are many gay guys in wrestling both wwe and locally. If there is one "sport" that doesn't have an issue with it its wrestling.

 

 

Well I have met people in the business who had wrestling in front of 15 people at a community center...  doesn't really hold that much weight.   I consider local wrestling more of a hobby then a business.

 

That being said I'll agree to disagree and for the most part I'm just pushing your buttons.  

 

Plus you can't believe everything you read on the net,  the stories from Jason Sensation,  Leaping Lanny and a few others I think more then likely are heavily exaggerated and Vince in the end doesn't care who or what you do as long as you make a dollar.   As I said before... they had wrestlers causing miscarriages,  incest storylines,  senior citizen giving birth to a plastic hand,  and so many such wrong things that wrestling shouldn't be considered a "sport" that others should try to take examples from...

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You're insults aside I'm not a guy who play wrestled in front of 15 people. My knowledge isn't from reading nonsense on the Internet. I've been in the business for nearly 15 years. You can disagree with me but it's an area where I have an expertise and colleagues at various levels.

Plus you're just plain wrong about gays in wrestling and you're taking a gimmick and pretending it's real to form a judgement. You looking foolish on the subject isn't pushing my buttons and this has gone way off topic but you wanted to discredit my opinion on gays in the NHL by attacking an industry of which you know little about.

But I think wrestling discussion can be kept to the wrestling thread.

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Why would you debate wrestling with me? I'm in the business.

Adonis developed the gimmick himself and used it after he left WWE. It wasn't a punishment. Doing the gimmick he was programmed with Hogan and Piper. You don't get programmed with them as punishment.

WWE consulted with the Gay & Lesbian alliance for the Billy and Chuck angle. Gunn later said he had no issue with it and would do it again.

there are many gay guys in wrestling both wwe and locally. If there is one "sport" that doesn't have an issue with it its wrestling.

As I said before... they had wrestlers causing miscarriages, incest storylines, senior citizen giving birth to a plastic hand, and so many such wrong things that wrestling shouldn't be considered a "sport" that others should try to take examples from...

You brought it up!

Just having some fun at your expense!   I'll continue on in the other thread

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Just having some fun at your expense! I'll continue on in the other thread

You're remarks about Fleury show you're not having fun. You legit believe your nonsense. Not my expense at all!

 

 

The gay hockey player has already came out (albeit under awful circumstances). You don't think Theo Fleury story isn't power enough?

Theo Fleury isn't gay. He was sexually assaulted by a pedophile. How can't you know there's a difference?

 

 

I could be totally wrong and I may apologize but I thought he continued the relationship well into his adult life?   Maybe I'm getting him mixed up with one of the other victims.   As I said before it was under very sad and disgusting situation but never the less he was courageous to come out both for being a victim and for being either gay or bi.  

 

Theo's not gay or bisexual. He was sexually molested by his junior hockey coach Graham James as was Sheldon Kennedy when they were teammates on the Swift Current Broncos as well as other players who have since come forward. 

 

Just having some fun at your expense! I'll continue on in the other thread

You're remarks about Fleury show you're not having fun. You legit believe your nonsense. Not my expense at all!

 

 

No I just like to bug local wrestling folks because they are extra sensitive.     They are a unique culture of massively insecure and overly dramatic peoples.   Mostly the ones who take it so seriously. I know you've read or used to read old wrestling forums,  they are great deal of fun of people taking the internet way to seriously.

 

It's ok i'll stop bugging you and clearly I don't believe in that stuff.  Sorry to have offended your culture.   

 

 

Just having some fun at your expense! I'll continue on in the other thread

You're remarks about Fleury show you're not having fun. You legit believe your nonsense. Not my expense at all!

 

 

No I just like to bug local wrestling folks because they are extra sensitive.     They are a unique culture of massively insecure and overly dramatic peoples.   Mostly the ones who take it so seriously. I know you've read or used to read old wrestling forums,  they are great deal of fun of people taking the internet way to seriously.

 

It's ok i'll stop bugging you and clearly I don't believe in that stuff.  Sorry to have offended your culture.   

 

 

So you are basically admitting that you are being a troll here?

 

 

The gay hockey player has already came out (albeit under awful circumstances). You don't think Theo Fleury story isn't power enough?

Theo Fleury isn't gay. He was sexually assaulted by a pedophile. How can't you know there's a difference?

 

 

I could be totally wrong and I may apologize but I thought he continued the relationship well into his adult life?   Maybe I'm getting him mixed up with one of the other victims.   As I said before it was under very sad and disgusting situation but never the less he was courageous to come out both for being a victim and for being either gay or bi.  

 

Are you thinking of Mike Danton maybe?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Danton

 

 

 

The gay hockey player has already came out (albeit under awful circumstances). You don't think Theo Fleury story isn't power enough?

Theo Fleury isn't gay. He was sexually assaulted by a pedophile. How can't you know there's a difference?

 

 

I could be totally wrong and I may apologize but I thought he continued the relationship well into his adult life?   Maybe I'm getting him mixed up with one of the other victims.   As I said before it was under very sad and disgusting situation but never the less he was courageous to come out both for being a victim and for being either gay or bi.  

 

Are you thinking of Mike Danton maybe?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Danton

 

 

That's the guy,    I remember it being in the news a long while back and for some reason I got it mixed up with Graham James incidents.     Crazy backstory and the CBC stuff was an interesting watch. 

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Lol gets schooled, pretends he was just fooling the whole time. Makes blanket statements about an industry he's clearly a fan of because he's too insecure to admit he was wrong. Seems to also think being abused makes you gay.

Head scratcher for sure.

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Attitude era. Wouldn't do that now. Again actors operating characters has nothing to do with gays in the NHL. The clip might be relevant for discussion in the wrestling thread depending on your point but has no relevancy here.

Attitude era. Wouldn't do that now. Again actors operating characters has nothing to do with gays in the NHL. The clip might be relevant for discussion in the wrestling thread depending on your point but has no relevancy here.

 

Lol spends a page talking about wrestling then scolds me for having it in the wrong thread.  Ok.

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