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The Star Trek Thread!

http://www.latino-review.com/news/star-trek-exclusive-trek-is-going-to-return-to-tv

 

So, GREAT news, Trekkers, CBS is looking to bring Star Trek back to TV.

 

The last we heard of a Star Trek TV series, was around 2006 before the Abrams movie planted its flag and destroyed most of what we knew (except Spock and - presumably  the plot of Star Trek: Enterprise)  there were two competing versions: Bryce Zabel (writer, Dark Skies) and J. Michael Straczynski (Babylon 5, but I like crediting him as the good writer on The Real Ghostbusters) pitched a version called “Star Trek: Reboot the Universe” that actually made it online in PDF form.

 

The second was developed closer to the JJ reboot and was written by producer Geoffrey Thorne, novelist and writer on things like Leverage and Criminal Intent and was called Star Trek: Federation and was conceptualized with producer Robert Burnett, Bryan Singer (the X-Men director and producer of TV’s House among others) and Christopher (director of Mission: Impossible Rogue Nation). This other series wouldn’t reboot the Star Trek universe, but would vault it forward past the DS9 and Voyager series timelines into a far flung future where the Utopia Federation that we knew from other TV series had become boring and complacent.

 

Federation would have seen the titular group reduced to a mere peacekeeping force as the old ways broke apart. Vulcans withdraw from the United Federation of Planets and reunify with the Romulans, the Bajorans of Deep Space Nine would have also withdrawn and become a planet full of religious monks, like a “Tibet in space.” The Klingons wouldn’t be as warrior-obsessed anymore, but would instead be warrior mystics. The Ferengi would have a female Nagus. The Cardassians would have abandoned war and become an artist/philosopher race.

In essence, Federation would have advanced the timeline of the Star Trek Universe far enough in the future to re-define some of the characters that had been the same since the original series’ inception.

 

We don’t have too many details about the new Star Trek series CBS is going to get working on, but I spent some time filling you in on Federation, because it seems like the same people who made that pitch could be involved. Bryan Singer's name has been mentioned for the new CBS Trek as a possible Executive Producer through his Bad Hat Harry productions. While "Star Trek: Reboot the Universe" was invalidated by 2008's movie Trek, Star Trek: Federation still has a trio of enthusiastic producers, a script and a writer ready to go should CBS decide to give Singer the ahead to develop this new series. 

 

Robert Burnett is rumored to be working on a non-Trek project with Skydance Productions (Skydance worked with Paramount, McQuarrie and Bad Robot on M:I 5) and simultaneously keeping one foot in the Trek world. He's currently producing (one of the producers) a project independent of all previously mentioned parties,  Star Trek: Axanar, a 90-minute fan-made feature film about "The Four Years War," as mentioned in the TOS episode "Whom Gods Destroy." The film has scraped up and impressive cast and released “Prelude to Axanar” last year to show how this great venture can be pulled off on a fan-donated budget:

 

That’s the sort of Star Trek product Brunett can use as an example of how producing a reasonably-budgeted TV series set in the Star Trek Universe this day and age should be a piece of cake.

 

Back to our Federation three:

 

CBS is interested in Bryan Singer developing (and Singer reportedly loves Prelude to Axanar) and Federation co-conspirator Chris McQuarrie was still game for the project as of last December, if Twitter is to be believed.

 

As far as when to expect some sort of official announcement about who snagged the NEW Trek production job, that’s a bit tougher to predict.

 

Star Trek 3 seems to be the Trek Paramount would like us to focus on (Elba for Mogh of the House of Martok, right Simon Pegg?), Singer is only tweeting about making the new X-Men movie and McQuarrie is wrapping up the edit on Mission: Impossible Rogue Nation for later this year. The Star Trek: Federation story document still exists, though, and I’m told Geoffrey Thorne might have taken that treatment all the way to a pilot script before the project cooled, which would allow this show to get off the ground much faster.

 

For the sharp-eye’d Trek fan, all eyes are on Star Trek: Axanar (official site here) to show off what Trek on a budget can look like. If that can work and CBS can see it work, then we might get a riff on Star Trek: Federation. Either way, CBS is convinced it's a good idea to probe the idea of a Star Trek TV show, so TV Trek’s likely on the way.

 

I’ve been saying it since summer of 2005…

 

...no, I’ve been saying it since summer of 1990: There should ALWAYS be Star Trek on TV

 

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There was no need to change the Klingon look.  They had developed them so well and this just looks like garbage, just like JJ's Klingons.  If this is them slowly getting that virus that changes them into more human looking Klingons, then that's fine, but if this is just their new look, that's just stupid.  You can evolve the look of the Klingons, but to destroy the look of them from what they had so awesomely developed to this lame look just stupid.  Not only that, but they all look pretty much the same.

I'm still wondering if Number One is the daughter of Trip and Topal (spelling?).

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3 minutes ago, Logan007 said:

There was no need to change the Klingon look.  They had developed them so well and this just looks like garbage, just like JJ's Klingons.  If this is them slowly getting that virus that changes them into more human looking Klingons, then that's fine, but if this is just their new look, that's just stupid.  You can evolve the look of the Klingons, but to destroy the look of them from what they had so awesomely developed to this lame look just stupid.  Not only that, but they all look pretty much the same.

I'm still wondering if Number One is the daughter of Trip and Topal (spelling?).

Hmmm, I'd point out that Trip and T'pol are both white and Number One is black.  But maybe it doesnt matter in the future...lol  I also dont think Sarek was alive when that baby would have been a child.  There was also an episode that had the Enterprise stuck in the expanse for a while and the Captain was the SON of Trip & T'Pol...

There is a tradition for the previous Trek series to have a character appear in a cameo of the new series' pilot.  I bet that tradition ends with this but a lot of fans would like to see T'Pol show up in a cameo.  She's the easiest to explain...she'd be old but it works as a Vulcan.

Number One could be part Vulcan, not half.  The line "your tongue is too human" is sort of odd.  If she's a regular old human then of course her tongue is human. If she's part Human or something else going on, then it makes more sense to point out that her tongue is "too" human.

oh god I can't believe I'm posting this.  maximum nerd shame engaged.  please ready your mocking gifs.

The thing with the Klingons is even more interesting when you remember that the TOS Klingons were basically swarthy generic Asiatics.  TMP gave us the modern bone crested Klingons.  There are episodes of DS9 where Worf is asked about this and he says they don't talk about it.

So there's already canon established that the Klingons occasionally transform as a species (or wholesale kill off a subspecies, maybe) so it'll be interesting to see if they explain how Discovery Klngons became TOS Klingons became TMP-forward Klingons.

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4 hours ago, johnzo said:

oh god I can't believe I'm posting this.  maximum nerd shame engaged.  please ready your mocking gifs.

The thing with the Klingons is even more interesting when you remember that the TOS Klingons were basically swarthy generic Asiatics.  TMP gave us the modern bone crested Klingons.  There are episodes of DS9 where Worf is asked about this and he says they don't talk about it.

So there's already canon established that the Klingons occasionally transform as a species (or wholesale kill off a subspecies, maybe) so it'll be interesting to see if they explain how Discovery Klngons became TOS Klingons became TMP-forward Klingons.

They explained it in Enterprise.  Some augmented humans (ala Khan) had their blood stolen or something and Klingons tried to use it to create an augmented warrior race. But it killed them. Phlox successfully cured it but not before it permanently altered millions of Klingons to look human. 

But the real reason they changed is TOS didn't have the budget for more advanced make up. The more subtle changes TMP and later films (and points in between) is acceptable in my opinion. 

But I do hope there is an in-universe reason for why they look so different  

12 hours ago, Logan007 said:

 

 

I'm not really feeling it.  I agree with most people, it still feels more Star Wars and not enough Star Trek.  I hate the look of the Klingons.  It looks like they turned them into some generic race rather then the rich history and honor their race had, and all the quirks and what not that came with them.

The effects are great, but it's looking like a very generic space show to me.  Should have just continued on years after Voyager.

Don't like what I saw of the Klingons briefly. Did they have another some other calamity that changed them prior to TOS?? (Sarcasm). Don't understand why Hollywood is so eager to change what has worked in the past. Add to the history & the characters as well as the different alien races. Or in this case, delve into the past to explain the present. Don't change them. Yet, they did.

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Again....there could be an in universe reason for the change. Everyone should relax until the show airs. 

9 hours ago, The Unknown Poster said:

Again....there could be an in universe reason for the change. Everyone should relax until the show airs. 

WE CANNOT...WE MUST RAGE!!!

We are the Internet, your biological and technological distinctiveness will be added to our own. Resistance is futile.

 

Regarding Trip and T'Pol's child, it was a girl they named Elizabeth.  The theory on the Internet was that she didn't actually die and she was taken by Section 31 seeing as she was the first half human half vulcan child.  But yeah, after looking up dates, it doesn't line up with Sarek being older.

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Any new Star Trek news?

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6 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

Any new Star Trek news?

Not a whole lot. 

Producer Kurtzman said many of Fuller's "big ideas" for this season and beyond are still being used even after he left. 

The character of Mudd played by Rainn Wilson is confirmed as being in more than one episode. 

They are putting episode 5 to bed now. 

I think there is secrecy surrounding the details because the details relate to some of the plot elements. 

Nick Meyer (one of the true legends of Trek writing/directing is a consultant on the show. He said Fuller chose this time period because he identified an opportunity to go off on a different stream. Not sure what he means (please not another time line)

also Meyer mentioned he is working on another Trek project that he can't talk about which got fans hopeful he was involved in writing a feature film 

This better not be another Voyager... All the wait for really a bad series.

8 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

This better not be another Voyager

:angry:

You're a bad man.

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Still a **** design but now it's a pretty hunk of **** 

 

 

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2:35 to 1?

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I honestly don't know what to think of this clip. It seems more Star Wars than Trek. We've asked this question but why would they change the Klingons?

If nothing else the production value for Discovery looks top notch.  The Klingons look is very impressive but as a bit of a purist I much prefer the TNG/DS9/Voy look.  Maybe it will grow on me.  Nice that they did the Klingon death ritual in the clip.  Some of the writers know their canon. 

16 minutes ago, Brandon Blue&Gold said:

If nothing else the production value for Discovery looks top notch.  The Klingons look is very impressive but as a bit of a purist I much prefer the TNG/DS9/Voy look.  Maybe it will grow on me.  Nice that they did the Klingon death ritual in the clip.  Some of the writers know their canon. 

Though the death ritual was never seen till TNG.

27 minutes ago, FrostyWinnipeg said:

Though the death ritual was never seen till TNG.

True.  But it was said in "Heart of Glory" it was the first time outsiders were witness to it.  One can assume the Klingons had been doing it for a while at that point. Can't recall offhand if "Enterprise" ever mentioned it.

Just saying it's nice that the writers seem to be fans of and willing to reference previous Treks.  Unlike J.J Abrams who seemed more intent on making a hybrid Star Trek/Star Wars movie series.  And then he got his wish and made a Star Wars film.  (not that there's anything wrong with that)

4 minutes ago, Brandon Blue&Gold said:

True.  But it was said in "Heart of Glory" it was the first time outsiders were witness to it.  One can assume the Klingons had been doing it for a while at that point. Can't recall offhand if "Enterprise" ever mentioned it.

Just saying it's nice that the writers seem to be fans of and willing to reference previous Treks.  Unlike J.J Abrams who seemed more intent on making a hybrid Star Trek/Star Wars movie series.  And then he got his wish and made a Star Wars film.  (not that there's anything wrong with that)

I'm rewatching ENT and no mention up till end of S2 that i can recall.

Looks like they borrowing instant warp from JJverse @ 0:54.

Just now, FrostyWinnipeg said:

I'm rewatching ENT and no mention up till end of S2 that i can recall.

Looks like they borrowing instant warp from JJverse @ 0:54.

I noticed that.  Some of the Abrams stuff I'm ok with.  Just knock off the damn lenses flares.  :D

I assume this isn't in the Abrams alternate universe but the CBS universe?

2 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

I assume this isn't in the Abrams alternate universe but the CBS universe?

Correct and set roughly 10 years before Kirk helms Enterprise so it should exist and be captained by Pike but it could also be April at end of his term but that's all based on non-canon stuff like ST:TAS even if JJ used part of it. Granted the best ep of TAS and just a great one itself.

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