Let's go Bombers!

Edited October 3Oct 3 by rebusrankin

3 hours ago, wbbfan said:

Thing is, we have had similar issues for 5 OCs in a row, plus 3 DCs. The difference is talent, but we've seen all the same issues. At some point, it's an upper brass failure, not the CO. Be it micromanaging the system, roster management, or hiring decisions. I don't have any faith that this group will do any better with OC no 6, and DC no 3.

I see what you're saying. But they've also played top level ball when both Coordinators didn't put their head in the sand and try the same thing over and over even though it didn't work. Or just change things that were working for no reason and refuse to go back. This team has shown that it has the talent to play with the top teams. In-game coaching has hurt them far more than lack of talent.

5 minutes ago, Bigblue204 said:

I see what you're saying. But they've also played top level ball when both Coordinators didn't put their head in the sand and try the same thing over and over even though it didn't work. Or just change things that were working for no reason and refuse to go back. This team has shown that it has the talent to play with the top teams. In-game coaching has hurt them far more than lack of talent.

I mean, out side of 1/2 years our cos haven’t been great. Hall had a great playoff stretch in 18/19 and year in 21, but that was also the peak of the fire hall movement. Jy had two very good stretches of games with in 24/25. Buck had a couple good extended stretches of games here in 21/22. Lapo had more bad games than good here by far.

Really, they did stick their heads in the sand and try to do the same stuff. That’s why no one was sad to see lapo or buck go.

Jy, Hall, and even Etch all ran variations on the same concept. Halls D this year is far closer to what etch ran than what any one else has done in the league since he left. The big difference with hall is he ran 4/5 pressure with one lber joining some times, using that guy to get 1on1s with higher tier front concepts to get pressure before deep balls could land. Jy, will add 1 db to that while showing and dropping more frequently with less front concepts, and etch used bizarre pre snap alignments to try and hide the rushers and coverage rotation.

We went from lapo with rb screens/ jets offsetting izr with at the line screens, to buck using more btl screens and jet variations off izr, to hogan/tc struggling to execute any thing but leaning on the same screens and izr.

Both sets of COs are like photocopiers that have run lower and lower on ink.

I agree talent isn’t the primary limiting factor, but it is certainly a limiting factor. We simply don’t have the talent on ol, lber, a few db spots, and half the dl. Not to mention some of the worst wr talents in the league.

In game coaching is the fastest way to improve this team, and that alone could make it a team fighting for a home play off spot.

But the upper brass either can’t or won’t pick winners at the co spots.

34 minutes ago, Bigblue204 said:

I see what you're saying. But they've also played top level ball when both Coordinators didn't put their head in the sand and try the same thing over and over even though it didn't work. Or just change things that were working for no reason and refuse to go back. This team has shown that it has the talent to play with the top teams. In-game coaching has hurt them far more than lack of talent.

Yeah I dont think our overall talent is as bad as it seems or people like to believe. Our coaching tho..and how we go about things..and their ideals/philosophy on things..thats where we getting killed

14 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

I mean, out side of 1/2 years our cos haven’t been great. Hall had a great playoff stretch in 18/19 and year in 21, but that was also the peak of the fire hall movement. Jy had two very good stretches of games with in 24/25. Buck had a couple good extended stretches of games here in 21/22. Lapo had more bad games than good here by far.

Really, they did stick their heads in the sand and try to do the same stuff. That’s why no one was sad to see lapo or buck go.

Jy, Hall, and even Etch all ran variations on the same concept. Halls D this year is far closer to what etch ran than what any one else has done in the league since he left. The big difference with hall is he ran 4/5 pressure with one lber joining some times, using that guy to get 1on1s with higher tier front concepts to get pressure before deep balls could land. Jy, will add 1 db to that while showing and dropping more frequently with less front concepts, and etch used bizarre pre snap alignments to try and hide the rushers and coverage rotation.

We went from lapo with rb screens/ jets offsetting izr with at the line screens, to buck using more btl screens and jet variations off izr, to hogan/tc struggling to execute any thing but leaning on the same screens and izr.

Both sets of COs are like photocopiers that have run lower and lower on ink.

I agree talent isn’t the primary limiting factor, but it is certainly a limiting factor. We simply don’t have the talent on ol, lber, a few db spots, and half the dl. Not to mention some of the worst wr talents in the league.

In game coaching is the fastest way to improve this team, and that alone could make it a team fighting for a home play off spot.

But the upper brass either can’t or won’t pick winners at the co spots.

Agree...the areas of talent where we are weak tho we did it to ourselves..no succession plans..no draft strategy..Reliance and belief of declining players with lotsa experience would keep us going..on way too many positions all at once, and passing on available FA's due to that..huge mistake.. poor foresight..no apparent longterm planning whatsoever and the refusal to actually let guys get reps along the way to possibly develop..all played a part.

Add to this the fact our coach had a predetermined lineup before TC even started and many a guy was gifted his spot as opposed to earned or won it..icing on the cake of a 5 yr slide where most likely we end up in last

6 hours ago, rebusrankin said:

MOS has been the Head Coach 12 years. Name a coach who was in one place that long and changed?

The message gets lost after awhile. Head Coaches do have a definite shelf life. Same with GM's.