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Fogg only had 10 kick returns in his whole career, compared to 200 punt returns, so too great a disparity and too few kick returns to be placed in the "dual threat" category, despite some skill as a missed field goal returner. He really was a punt specialist who did spot duty on kick returns, at least when compared to other "dual threat" returners. At least that's the way I have constructed the polls - not to discredit his talent. I imagine he would have been a big weapon on kick returns, but the coaches never saw fit to use him in that role, for some reason.

One man's take: Lots of the returners on all of these lists seem to have one big year but no real long lasting impact, but a couple of the names on this list broke that trend and had a significant impact over a longer period. McDuffie - Barely rates a mention on this list except for the fact that he returned 2 to the house in one season to tie a club record, but he will be last in this group Lankford - Again, tiny body of work but one big season at least gets him on the contenders list. Still, no higher than 6th. Williams - Limited touches every year give him smaller numbers, but his average per return was impressive. Herron - A dynamo as a player for his short time here, as evidenced by big seasons as a returner and running back, but not enough longevity in Winnipeg to crack the top 3. Scott - May hold a CFL record for longest kick return that did not actually end up as a touchdown (I did not research it, but to go more than 95 yards and not make the end zone seems improbable). Some good consistent years, had he not gone on to greater success with the Evil Empire in the Eskimo dynasty years, he would rank higher than 3rd. It comes down to a choice of two, although that choice seems fairly simple in the end. Raimey - Had to replace a Bomber legend in Leo Lewis as a returner, and acquitted himself quite impressively in that regard. Was the league's pre-eminent kick returner over a 4 year span, and if you factor in games played, was a busier returner than Lewis and would have put up bigger career numbers had he played as long as Lewis did. Would be a solid choice as the all-time kick returner, as he was well above any other contender on this list not named Lewis. #2 with a bullet. Lewis - the Lincoln Locomotive will be back in the running back category, and he may be more well-known for his feats as a tailback, but he has no peer in this group. Bud Grant called him the greatest player he ever coached, and all the numbers back it up. Career leader in all the categories, and the all-time average tells you it wasn't simply due to his long career that he outpaced everybody else. Plus, his team success puts him above Raimey in this competition. The only question is, will a dual threat from tomorrow's list supplant him in the run-off vote? Stay tuned.

Part 2 - the kick returners. Here are the bios: All-star recognition for returners began in 1986 Special Teams Player of the Year first awarded in 1999 Order of stats: returns-yards-average-long-TD Mack Herron - 31 games in 2 seasons (1971-72), KR career: 52-1571-30.2-120-1, best: 35-1019 (both 1971)-32.5 (1972), led CFL in kick return yards and average (1971), #2 club all-time in single season kick return average, club record longest kick return (120 yards), West division Most Outstanding player (1972) Ryan Lankford - 18 games in 2 seasons (2017-18), PR career: 17-132-7.8-23-0 (2017), KR career: 62-1492-24.1-105-1, best: 50-1223-24.5 (all 2017), MFG career: 3-102-34.0-56-0 (2017), #4 club all-time in single season kick return yards Leo Lewis - 161 games in 12 seasons (1955-66), PR career: 3-21-7.0-12-0 (1960), KR career: 187-5443-29.1-91-1, best: 29 (1963)-854-32.8 (both 1957), led CFL in kick return yards (1957, 63, 64), led CFL in kick return average (1957, 58, 64), single season club record for kick return average (32.8 in 1957) and 3 of the top 5 single season averages in club history, #1 club all-time in career kick returns, yards, and average, 1962 Grey Cup MVP, 5-time team nominee for Most Outstanding Player (1958, 60, 61, 62, 65), CFL Hall of Fame, 6 Grey Cup appearances (1957-59, 61, 62, 65), 4-time Grey Cup champion (1958, 59, 61, 62) Quincey McDuffie - 13 games in 1 season (2016), PR: 22-236-10.7-34-0, KR: 42-1165-27.7-98-2, MFG: 1-27-27.0-27-0, led CFL in kick return average (2016), single season and career club records for kick return TDs (2) Dave Raimey - 66 games in 5 seasons (1965-69), KR career: 106-2864-27.0-105-2, best: 31-930-30.0 (all 1968), led CFL in kick return yards (1965, 67, 68), led CFL in kick return average (1965), career club record for kick return TDs (2), #4 club all-time in career kick returns, #3 club all-time in career kick return yards, #2 club all-time in career kick return average, 2-time team nominee for Most Outstanding player (1966, 68), Grey Cup appearance (1965) Tom Scott - 59 games in 4 seasons (1974-77), PR career: 42-275-6.5-29-0, best: 22-148-6.7 (all 1975), KR career: 93-2404-25.8-95-0, best: 29-814-28.1 (all 1976), led CFL in kick return yards (1974), #4 club all-time in career kick return yards, #4 club all-time in career kick return average, CFL Hall of Fame Paul Williams - 66 games in 5 seasons (1971-75), PR career: 54-290-5.4-37-0, best: 27-119 (both 1973)-6.7 (1974), KR career: 61-1622-26.6-109-1, best: 23 (1972)-648-32.4 (both 1974), #3 club all-time in career kick return average, #3 club all-time in single season kick return average

He will also be in the "dual threat" poll.

He will appear in the dual threat poll coming on Wednesday. As will Jovon.

Here is my "one man's take", but this is a tough call. The Bombers have never had a superstar or multi-year dynamo like Gizmo Williams, Pinball Clemons, or Chad Owens. And when I put out the "Dual threat" list on Wednesday, it's entirely possible that one of the players on that list is better than the top choice here. So here is my brief take on the candidates: Strong - no real spectacular numbers, but the return game was not as refined as it is now, and he was dependable and sure-handed. Still, a career average of just 5.6 yards and no return ever longer than 25 yards was not amongst the best, even of his peers in that era, much less all time. Janzen, Latourelle, Rowland - these 3 split the return duties during their time with the club in the 1950's-1960's, so none of them had the chance to stand out against the others or amass the big return yards that some other more modern players get to with the single returner system (even as late as the 1990's it was common to have two returners back for every punt, either each covering half the field, or one shallow and one deep). Of the 3, comparing apples to apples, although Latourelle had the most touches (all-time club leader), Rowland was more productive yardage and average-wise. But I would still rank all of them behind the other contenders. Casey - Always the bridesmaid. Some very solid numbers for a guy I still want to find a place for on this all-time team, but again he will fall just short of others whose expertise in one area outshines Casey for that category. And yet it bears repeating once more that Casey is likely the greatest all-around athlete in club history. If he snuck through here I'd be quite pleased, but he'll still get a couple more polls to prove his worth. Fogg - Some very big numbers in his 3 year tenure here. Was 4 holding/illegal blocking penalties away from CFL history in his first season, when he had a quartet of TDs called back due to penalties (and they were kind of chintzy calls - one holding call happened across the field away from his return and had no impact on the return, and two others were illegal block calls after he was already free and clear to the end zone). Despite the fouls still and a massive return average that year, but his shorter career span overvalues that first year's numbers and keeps him out of top spot for me. Hanson - As has been pointed out, the rules prevented blocking on returns in his era, so what he achieved was something special. Caution - we have the legend of his one monster Grey Cup performance, but who can say if that translated into a stellar career of returns, or was just an exceptional game? I suspect the former is more accurate. He was the first true Bomber legend and made the 75th anniversary team, so if we want to honour the entire history of the club and not just a sampling of the 1960's crew mixed with a post-1980's squad, a vote for him would be most appropriate here and well deserved. Bennett - Believe it or not, before Gizmo Williams revolutionized the punt return game, Paul Bennett was considered by many the greatest punt returner in CFL history. He set the all-time CFL record for career punt return yardage (since smashed by the Giz) as a Bomber (it was said he set it 10 yards at a time, as he was not known for the big game breaker, but rather just never dropped a punt, put his head down, and went north-south on every return for positive yardage). Tough to compare across eras, but during his tenure in the early 1980's he was the best in the business. Any of the last 4 could make a case here, but for me it comes down to Bennett or Hanson, mindful that the dual threat choices could bump either of them. I see myself leaning towards Hanson, because he was a superstar who put the Bombers on the map, we should have representation from all of the Bomber history and not just the last 40 years, and Bennett already has a spot on this squad as a safety.

This poll will run a bit differently than the others. Today we will examine those who were primarily punt returners, and voting will last for one week, choosing one punt returner. Tomorrow I will put out the list of those who were primarily kick returners, again choosing only one, and the poll will run until next Tuesday. And on Wednesday, I will put out a third poll of those who were dual threat returners, allowing for 2 selections. Once the 4 winners in those 3 categories have been selected, we will have a vote-off from those 4 starting next Thursday and running until the following Sunday to determine the single best punt returner and the single best kick returner in club history. Here are the punt returner bios: All-star recognition for returners began in 1986 Special Teams Player of the Year first awarded in 1999 Order of stats: returns-yards-average-long-TD Paul Bennett – 61 games in 4 seasons (1980-83), PR career: 264-2723-10.3-52-0, best: 97-890 (both 1983)-12.4 (1981), KR career: 15-310-20.7-31-0, best: 9-223-24.8 (all 1981), led CFL in punt return yards (1982, 83), led CFL in punt return average (1982), CFL Most Outstanding Canadian player (1983), CFL Hall of Fame, #2 club all-time in career punt return yards, #2 club all-time career punt return average Tom Casey – 83 games in 6 seasons (1950-55), PR career: 147-1253-8.5-30-0, best: 51-427 (both 1953)-10.1 (1952), KR career: 28-705-25.2-85-1, best: 12 (1951)-343-38.1 (both 1952), led WIFU in punt return average (1952), CFL Hall of Fame, 2 Grey Cup appearances (1950, 53) Kevin Fogg – 48 games in 3 seasons (2016-18), PR career: 200-2259-11.3-88-1, best: 80 (2018)-775 (2017)-14.2 (2016), KR career: 10-189-18.9-25-0, best: 6-112-18.7 (all 2016), MFG career: 5-224-44.8-110-1, best: 3-195-65.0 (all 2018), led CFL in punt return average (2016), single season club record for punt return average (14.2 in 2016), #1 club all-time in punt return average Fritz Hanson – 8 seasons (1935-41, 45), no stats available, but here is a bio from CFLapedia: Hanson weighed only 145 pounds, but had incredible speed and elusiveness which earned him nicknames like "The Galloping Ghost," "The Golden Ghost," "Twinkle Toes" and the "Phantom Flash." Hanson joined the Blue Bombers in 1935 and helped lead Winnipeg to the first Grey Cup by a West team, upsetting the Hamilton Tigers 18-12. Hanson would go on to play with Winnipeg until 1941 when World War II got in the way and Hanson joined the Canadian Army. Hanson briefly returned to play for Winnipeg again in 1945, playing in at least one exhibition game before his Army duties forced him to retire for the season. In the 7 years from 1935 to 1941, the Bombers went to the Grey Cup 6 times, missing only once in 1936. Besides 1935, the Bombers and Hanson won two other Grey Cups in 1939 and 1941. That first win in 1935 was the big one though and while very few stats are available from that era, Hanson had 334 yards in kick returns that game including a 78 yard punt return for a touchdown. Hanson won West All-Stars (there were no Canadian All-Stars until 1962) in five straight years from 1937 to 1941. Canada’s Male athlete of the year (1939), CFL Hall of Fame, 6 Grey Cup appearances (1935, 37-41), 3-time Grey Cup champion (1935, 39, 41) Henry Janzen – 103 games in 7 seasons (1959-65), PR career: 282-1755-6.2-53-0, best: 67-499-7.4 (all 1959), KR career: 23-561-24.4-39-0, best: 20-494-24.7 (all 1962), led CFL in punt return yards (1959, 61), 4 Grey Cup appearances (1959, 61, 62, 65), 3-time Grey Cup champion (1959, 61, 62) Ron Latourelle – 127 games in 10 seasons (1955-64), PR career: 471-2373-5.0-20-0, best: 80-467 (both 1958)-6.3 (1957), KR career: 16-334-20.9-34-0, best: 10-201 (both 1956)-20.4 (1957), 5 Grey Cup appearances (1957-59, 61, 62), 4-time Grey Cup champion (1958, 59, 61, 62), #4 club all-time in career punt return yards, #1 club all-time career punt returns Gord Rowland – 163 games in 11 seasons (1954-64), PR career: 324-2395-7.4-52-0, best: 56-478-8.5 (all 1958), KR career: 30-682-22.7-50-0, best: 13-257 (both 1954)-25.0 (1956), 5 Grey Cup appearances (1957-59, 61, 62), 4-time Grey Cup champion (1958, 59, 61, 62), #3 club all-time in career punt return yards, #2 club all-time career punt returns Doug Strong – 67 games in 6 seasons (1969-74), PR career: 257-1430-5.6-25-0, best: 64 (1971)-410-7.3 (both 1970), KR career: 20-391-19.6-35-0, best: 12-232 (both 1970)-19.9 (1969)

Yes. Thank you. Will also add James Jefferson.

One man's take: Not sure if any position in football has refined itself as much as the place kicker in the last 30 years. If we are to simply look at these kickers against each other, obviously the more recent kickers will win out, because the precision of the craft is better now than ever. So to have a semblance of cross-generational fairness, one should look at these kickers as compared to their contemporaries at the time as a factor. Having said that, overall skill does matter, and the kicker is one position where pure physical size, speed and strength has not increased exponentially like at other positions. And because the kicking game is so cutthroat now (can't think of another position where one mistake in one game puts you on the chopping block like it does for a missed field goal to lose the game), longevity certainly should be factored in. So looking at the list, my quick notes on each player are: Hajrullahu - I will discount him just so I don't have to spell that last name again. But seriously, one very good year followed by a big drop off that led to him being replaced, and one year won't cut it as an all-timer. James - You don't think of his kicking when you think of his contributions to the team. It would seem like kicking was an afterthought in those days, and you just found a good athlete was starred at another position who volunteered to kick as well and let them do it (the Poplawski or Lankford philosophy). Not a specialist, so I will not place him at the top. Jonas - For the same reason as James, his contribution is greater at another position, so I will withhold my vote here and consider him in another category. Kabat - Sadly I have no stats for this gentleman, and have no video of his efforts, so I can`t even say if kicking was all he did to earn a Hall of Fame spot. But given the paucity of total points per games played, it seems clear that the kicking game was not as essential to scoring as it is today. Still, big marks for his all-star status and Grey Cup rings. Korchak - Probably a good example of the evolution of the kicking game from the 1950`s to today. Those numbers pale in comparison to the precision of today`s fleet of kickers, but he did his job well enough for 6 years. Again, lower point totals suggest less of a reliance on the kicking component than today`s breed. Palardy - his high percentage suggests a reliability that few others could offer, but he was replaced by one year wonder Lirim H. while he still could, kick, so he was second best to another on this list. Also, I recall his leg strength being somewhat less than desirable, so his high percentage could in some way have been elevated by not trying much outside of 45 yards. No better than 4th on my list Ruoff - It`s almost laughable that a guy with a 60% career average and a career best of 75% was considered a great kicker back in the day. Such is the progress this position has made. But a very strong leg and he pulled double duty. Again, docked due to his criminal charges which hastened his departure, and the fact that his replacement was all of 5`6`` and was much better for a longer time. Serna - deceptively big power for a tiny man, and, like Lirim H., had one strong year which elevated his overall numbers. But the lasting image I have of him is a picture of him being consoled by Richard Harris at the half after he missed yet another short field goal in his final season. Not enough staying power to hit the top spot. That leaves me with 3 contenders: "Lefty" - Why do I feel like I should start this analysis with "I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him"? Westwood ( or West-wide to many) will be reviled like Bill Buckner or Steve Bartman, seen as the scapegoat for all the failures of this club for the past 29 years, all because of one game. And yet he was the longest tenured player, much less kicker, of all-time on this club for anyone not named Cameron. All-time leading scorer, 17 club records, and not all of them just because of longevity, 5 division and 3 league scoring titles, even scored a touchdown on a fake field goal. And believe it or not, outside of the unforgiveable 2001 Grey Cup, he was incredibly reliable in the playoffs, going 8/10 overall in divisional playoff games, and 7/8 in his other Grey Cups (his only miss was a blocked kick). He was clutch at game's end too, clinching the 2000 semi in Hamilton on a last play field goal, and to my memory kicking the longest game winning last play field goal in club history with a 55 yard bomb against the 'Riders. And yet, while most ignore Charlie Roberts walkout that ended the 12 game winning streak in '01, and his pouting which led to a fundamental shift in the spread offence to make him the focus at season's end which bogged down the offence, and his drunken escapades the night before the big game, it is all Westwood's fault, and he will get no votes I suspect in this voting because of it. That's a shame. Granted, he was flaky (boxer, tap dancer, ballet, musician were some of his side hobbies), and he was a bit of a loud personality, which would look bad on him if he struggled, but big points for inventing the "Banjo pickin' inbreds" line which has spawned an annual football pilgrimage, a goofy trophy and a nice charity donation to boot. Pretty neat legacy. Maybe once the club gets the gorilla off its back and hoists Lord Earl Gray's mug, people will soften on him. Even one ring on his finger I say puts him in contention to top this list. "The Hammer" - I remember reading how Kennerd's 80% season in 1983 was akin to Ted Williams' .400 batting average at the time. That seems comical in today's perfection-based standard of kicking, but at the time it was a remarkable feat. Again, such is the evolution of the position. Kennerd had a few duds in his career too, and blew more than a few easy kicks that cost the team games in the regular season and the playoffs. He was Westwood before Westwood, and a big scapegoat for a while. But credit where credit is due, he was money in the biggest game of all. In 1984, he was 4/4 in field goals and 5/5 in converts on the hockey rink that was Commonwealth Stadium that day, and because of the slippery conditions and hard field, he knew his kickoffs would not bounce, so he coffin-kicked them all day long, pinning the Ticats deep on every possession. Probably should have won Most Outstanding Canadian player on that day. In 1988, everyone talks about Cameron and the mastery of the wind, but Kennerd kicked in the same conditions, and after having gone 8/9 in the other playoff games, he went 4/5 and added a convert while his counterpart Lui Passaglia went 1/3 in a one point Bomber win. In 1990 Kennerd booted the Bombers in to the big game with a last play 35 yard field goal against the Argos, and then went 2/2 in that Grey Cup massacre in addition to 6/6 in converts. That reliability in the big moments puts him at #2 for me. "The Lock" - Rarely have kicker signings been as feted as Medlock's original contract and he re-upping before this season, but that is how important he is to this club. He made a case for team MVP in his first season, carrying the club many games when all they could do was kick field goals. Went 7/7 on three separate occasions (tying the club record for most in a game each time). Makes the new 32 yard convert look as easy as the old 12 yard effort, only missing once in his 3 seasons here. A cannon for a leg, and he is quickly re-writing the special teams record book. We have 3 more seasons to enjoy his productivity, but he has already planted himself atop the mountain. Could playoff failure drop him off the summit? Perhaps, but for now he stands on the top rung.

Of the big 3 "name" receivers (Chris Williams, Derel Walker, Namaan Roosevelt) still out there, each has his drawbacks, but I see the best upside with Walker. Has been beat up the last 2 years, so injury risk is there, but he is head and shoulders above the other 2 IMO. Williams is 3 years removed from his last impact year, even his return numbers are down, but if we are in need of a return threat he might fit the bill if cheap enough. Roosevelt I don't mind taking a chance on, again if he comes cheaper than the other 2. All depends on how he has recovered. Any chance Chris Rainey could be converted from RB to receiver? With all of the Lions signings and Jeremiah Johnson and Tyrell Sutton there now (although both of them unsigned too) he would seem to be in need of a home, and he would give us a threat at kick returner we haven't had in a long time.

The twitter report I saw said the Bombers offered $200K and BC was going to offer upwards of $250K. EDIT: At least Chungh's camp was asking for $250K, and since he signed with BC, although I don't have definitive proof, I'm guessing they came close to his asking price if he signed that quickly.

So if we went all in on Reilly and got him for $700K (or $750K given that he wanted to go with Hervey and we'd have to up the ante to pry him away), would you have done that if it cost us a chance to sign Bighill and Bryant on top of losing Loffler, Santos-Knox, Chungh, and not get in on Jefferson, just as an example. QB is the most important position, but no team has won with just a great QB with nothing around him. I can remember hearing ad nauseum on this board how fluky a QB Reilly was last year, just throwing up prayers and using his tall receiving corps to go get 50/50 balls all the time, until teams figured out his schtick late and he was exposed as the Esks fell out of the playoffs.. Now he walks on water and we are suckers for not jumping into the bidding war at the sake of the rest of our team, and our starting QB who is 30-13 as a starter since 2016 is a dud? God, the gnashing of teeth on this board makes me want to puke sometimes. What are we, Riderfans? There, I feel better now.

If we did, it would mean a home game for the division final and a free pass to the Grey Cup instead of a battle for third place in the West.

Here are the penalties for violating the CFL salary cap. "For the first $100,000 over the cap, the fine is the equivalent of the amount by which the limit has been exceeded. For any amount over $100,000, penalties range from a minimum of a $25,000 fine and the loss of one second-round draft pick to a maximum of a $250,000 fine and the loss of three draft picks." Given that the Lions have already traded away picks to the point that they don't pick until 24th this year, do you think they are really deterred by these penalties?

Well, at least we now know Walters wasn't tampering and actually respected the deadline.

Maybe set a percentage limit (like 80%) that you can spend to the cap before the season starts, so that you can accommodate mid-season changes due to injury or in-season signings, with every salary counting even if you cut the veteran player mid-season.

In 2013 the Roughriders went over the cap, were fined just over $17,000 for it, were stuck with a bunch of back loaded contracts (otherwise they would have been way over the cap and lost draft picks too) that led to a 3-15 season in 2015. Oh, and they won the Grey Cup at home in 2013 and generated a $9 million profit for the game, and $10.4 million overall for that year. Given the meagre penalties in place for cap violation, the ability to instantly re-build your team, and the profit generated from a Grey Cup winning season, why wouldn't EVERY team violate the cap? If you want to prevent cap abuse, then nullify contracts at the outset if they create a situation that the team goes over.

Here are the bios: *statistics incomplete, best I could find with documentation Lirim Hajrullahu – 35 games in 2 seasons (2014-15), 46/53 converts (86.8% - best 96.9% in 2014), 62/78 FG (79.5% - best 87.0% in 2014: club #2 all-time), 5 FG singles, long 53, 123 KO, 7754 yds., 63.0 avg. (best 63.3 avg. in 2015), 5 KO singles, long 95, 250 pts. (best 159 in 2014), led Western Division with 159 pts. in 2014 (club rookie record) Gerry James – 145 games in 11 seasons (1952-62), kicked from 1957-62, 116/146 converts (79.5% - best 87.2% in 1962), 35/66 FG (53.0% - best 66.7% in 1957-58), 17 FG singles, long 29*, 151 KO, 8246 yds., 54.6 avg. (best 60.4 avg. in 1962), 2 KO singles, long 86, 240 pts. (best 86 in 1962 – had 131 in 1957 including TDs), 4 time team nominee Most Outstanding Canadian (1954, 55, 57, 60), 2 time CFL Most Outstanding Canadian (1954, 57), divisional all-star 1955, 57, coaches all-star 1958, led Western Conference in scoring 1957, 60, 6 Grey Cup appearances (1953, 57-59, 61, 62), 4 time grey Cup champion (1958, 59, 61, 62), CFL Hall of Fame Don Jonas – 54 games in 4 seasons (1971-74), 97/106 converts (91.5% - best 93.8% in 1972), 38/75 FG (50.7% - best 66.7% in 1972), 20 FG singles, long 42*, 9 KO, 521 yds., 57.9 avg. (best 57.9 avg. in 1971), 0 KO singles, long 90, 231 pts. (best 97 in 1971 – had 121 that year including TDs), 2 time team nominee Most Outstanding Player(1971, 73), CFL Most Outstanding Player 1971, 2 time divisional and CFL all-star (1971, 72), led CFL in scoring in 1971 Greg Kabat – 44* games in 8 seasons (1933-40), 84* pts. (best 33* in 1939), 4 time divisional all-star (1934, 38-40), 4 Grey Cup appearances (1935, 37-39), 2 time Grey Cup champion (1935, 39), CFL Hall of Fame Trevor Kennerd – 187 games in 12 seasons (1980-91), 509/511 converts (99.6% - best 100% ten times), 394/592 FG (66.6% - best 80.0% in 1983), 131 FG singles, long 55, 867 KO, 48657 yds., 56.1 avg. (best 58.4 avg. in 1982), 18 KO singles, long 95, 1840 pts. (best 198 in 1985 – CFL record at that time), 3 time divisional all-star (1981, 83, 85), 2 time CFL all-star (1981, 85), led club in scoring 11 times, 2 time CFL scoring leader (1981, 85), #2 all time in club scoring, club record 9 converts in one game, club record 7 field goals in one game, 3 Grey Cup appearances and 3 time champion (1984, 88, 90) Bud Korchak – 82 games in 6 seasons (1949-54), 76/96 converts (79.2% - best 93.5% in 1953), 17/35 FG (48.6% - best 66.7% in 1952), 10 FG singles, long 44*, 155 KO, 8071 yds., 52.1 avg. (best 52.4 avg. in 1952), 3 KO singles, long 80, 140 pts. (best 61 in 1953 – had 69 in 1952 including TDs), 3 time divisional all-star (1951-53), led Western Conference in scoring 1953, 2 Grey Cup appearances (1950, 53) Justin Medlock – 53 games in 3 seasons (2016-18), 137/138 converts (99.3% - best 100% two times), 158/185 FG (85.4% - best 89.4% in 2018: both club records), 3 FG singles, long 58 (club record), 254 KO, 16822 yds., 66.2 avg.: club record (best 66.7 avg. in 2016: club record), 11 KO singles, long 95, 633 pts. (best 227 in 2016 – club record), 2016 divisional, CFL and CFLPA all-star as a kicker, 3 time team nominee for Most Outstanding Special teams player (2016-18), 2016 CFL Special Teams Player of the year, 2 time CFL scoring leader (2016, 17), club record 7 field goals in one game (3 times), holds or shares 9 club records in all (also most field goals and field goal attempts in a season in addition to those already listed) Justin Palardy – 53 games in 4 seasons (2010-13), 102/102 converts (100% - best 100% 4 times), 114/139 FG (82.0%: #2 club all-time - best 86.7% in 2010, 12), 13 FG singles, long 51, 212 KO, 11903 yds., 56.1 avg. (best 57.3 avg. in 2012), 5 KO singles, long 91, 462 pts. (best 165 in 2011), Grey Cup appearance 2011 Bernie Ruoff – 77 games in 5 seasons (1975-79), 148/152 converts (97.4% - best 100% in 1979), 148/245 FG (60.4% - best 75.0% in 1979), 50 FG singles, long 58 (club record), 324 KO, 18961 yds., 58.5 avg. (best 62.9 avg. in 1976), 9 KO singles, long 95, 673 pts. (best 151 in 1979), 1979 team nominee for Most Outstanding Canadian player Alexis Serna – 42 games in 3 seasons (2008-10), 94/94 converts (100% - best 100% three times), 82/114 FG (71.9% - best 81.6% in 2009), 18 FG singles, long 54, 204 KO, 11770 yds., 57.7 avg. (best 58.8 avg. in 2008), 3 KO singles, long 95, 368 pts. (best 161 in 2009) Troy Westwood – 293 games in 18 seasons (1991-2007, 09) (#2 club all-time for both), 732/734 converts (99.7% - best 100% fifteen times), 617/853 FG (72.3% - best 80.4% in 1993), 110 FG singles, long 57, 1291 KO, 74093 yds., 57.4 avg. (best 62.9 avg. in 2007), 28 KO singles, long 95, 2748 pts. (best 213 in 1994 – #3 club all-time, club record 3 seasons over 200 points), 3 time divisional all-star (1992-94), 1992 CFL all-star, team nominee for Outstanding Special Teams Player in 2003, 2 time team nominee for Most Outstanding Canadian Player (1992, 2003), led club in scoring 16 times, 2 time Eastern Division scoring leader (1992, 93), led CFL in scoring 3 times (1994, 2002, 03), all time leader in club scoring, holds or shares 17 club records including 5 single season records, CFL record 661 consecutive converts, 4 Grey Cup appearances (1992, 93, 01, 07)

OK, if not noticed, Bud Grant was the all-time coach choice, and Cal Murphy the all-time GM choice, and the punting voting is in, and to no one's surprise, Bob Cameron is the viewer's choice award winner, easily outpacing Jon Ryan who at least got 3 votes. everyone else was shut out. On to the kickers, which I am posting now with their bios. Voting will run until Sunday night. And it is time to consider the return game. I will list both punt and kick returners here, so please forward nominees for both categories. Off the top of my head: For punt returners - Jovon Johnson, Paul Bennett, Gord Rowland, Ron Latourelle, Kevin Fogg, Henry Janzen, Troy Stoudemire For kick returners - Leo Lewis, Dave Raimey, Tom Scott, Demond Washington, Ryan Lankford, Paul Williams, Mack Herron, and since he holds 2 club records I feel obliged to throw out the name Quincey McDuffie (the T.J. Heath of this group) Dual threat (and also missed FG returner) - Charles Roberts, Keith Stokes, Eric Blount, Albert Johnson III, Maurice Leggett

I get the reference, not slagging the choice, just said it was interesting.

Interesting song choice, given all the tunes with "New York" in their title.

With free agency coming up, we should clarify one thing: to resign is to quit something (see Goosen, Matthias) to re-sign is to enter into a new contract with your current employer (see Bighill, Adam)

In order - it is just you, no he hasn’t, and no he isn’t. Matt Nichols took a lot of crap on this board at times last year (I was not exempt from getting on him when he complained about the boos), but when it’s -30 outside and many Americans head south ftom the day the season ends to the start of trading camp, here’s our offensive leader giving back to the community and doing more than just a quick autograph session for a fee. I’m impressed to see him engage on a personal level with the Brandon fans. Kudos to him!

That was my original plan, but don't want anyone to feel slighted if they suggest a player.

I kid, of course. But I was asked to put in a number of candidates, and so I did. So to shut down voting right away after one vote (and the time it took to compile the stats) seemed a little presumptuous. But no other punter had a mural of him painted on the side of the team’s stadium. Like I said, we won’t need a full week of voting here.