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It would have been section S that you are identifying, the notorious student section, adjacent to the temp stands. Didn't see the angle of the throw, just noticed the can flying over my head from the vantage point. Did not mean to suggest it definitively came from the temp section. Odds are much better that it WAS from section S. BTW that sideline was the typical visitor's sideline. Toronto was the assigned home team for that game, but requested to wear their road whites for that game. And as everyone remembers, the beer can was an OV tall boy!

From what I understood, Dunigan had a separated shoulder or some form of break, was shot up with painkillers to have a numb shoulder, and relied on the cold weather to keep it tolerable until the half when he was shot up again. Said he heard a click in his shoulder with every pass. Don't think there was ever any doubt he was playing, and not sure how much pain he was in, and add to it the fact that he was not very effective that day (7 for 18, something like 180 yards with a couple of long bombs making up a good chunk of the yardage), but he did suck it up and play on a bum shoulder. I'm sure the truth falls somewhere between "legend" and "vastly overblown". But seeing how you are a Ticats fan I can see why you'd lean towards "vastly overblown", and how that sentiment will fall on deaf ears on a Bomber fan site where most equate Dunigan to the "legend" of a 713 yard passing game.

Most annual days of sunshine in Canada for any city over 200,000 population.

I tune out 17to85 as well when he LaPo bashing gets redundant. I can accept the criticism of Wheeler and Scheifele, and I too have in the past suggested a shuffling of the lines which includes separating them. The difference is I have not said the same thing repeatedly in every game post on multiple occasions. The point has been made, and clearly Maurice is not going to change things. People are entitled to their opinions, and are entitled to repeat them as nauseum I guess, but saying it over and over is not going to convince anyone any faster, and when the default is “Maurice must go” because he has “lost the room”, that’s a bit rich when he has 694 career wins and has his team leading the division since December. Come game one of the playoffs the Jets will be in no better or worse position than Tampa. And when pressed on what should be changed, some critics cop out and say”I’m not a coach”. That backsliding should discredit those who “clearly” see Maurice as the problem. Bottom line, Goalie’s stance is clear, it has been more than a bit repetitive, and all I am saying is that I am tuning it out at this point. No personal insults being thrown out by me either about the intelligence of that take of Goalie’s, his opinion is his to share, whether it is adopted by the masses or not.

You may find about 20 different people who claim to be the person who chucked the beer can on this site. I was sitting in the temporary stands about 15 rows up in the northeast corner (where the old "Rum Hut" would later be situated) and saw Ismail run back the kick right in front of me. Did not see the beer can until it whizzed over my head and on to the field. Can't say where it came from in that section, but it was a ways up in the stands. Two memories of John Candy, both from a game earlier in the year in Winnipeg. The Argos sideline was more than just players and coaches - there was a real entourage of management and hangers-on down on the sidelines it felt like every game. Add that to the money being thrown about by McNall on the players, and a bit of arrogance from the players, and I can say that the Argos were NOT the crowd favorite on Grey Cup Sunday. They refused to be introduced individually and asked to be introduced as a team for the starting line-ups, which I suppose is OK to represent that no one player matters, and yet they each walked out (slowly, I might add) individually in single file with their helmets off and raised above their heads (akin to a wrestler entering the ring - I could all but hear the intro music playing for them) rather than a group run on to the field. Anyway, back to Candy. He was the antithesis of this attitude. Very fun loving guy who wanted to be on the sidelines not to be part of the spectacle but because he was such a true fan, living out his fantasy, without a shred of false humility. In the regular season game in October, when he came out, the Bombers' PA announcer noted that Candy had donated $20,000 to the local Winnipeg Firefighter's toy drive (I later discovered Candy tried to keep this anonymous, and it was the firefighters who tipped off the Bombers, who chose to announce it). Candy was standing on the east sidelines, and rather than the usual booing and catcalls that would emanate from those stands to opposing players, Candy was hailed with shouts of "Hey, it's Uncle Buck!", "Gil Fisher:, and :Schmengie brothers forever!" The in-house DJ then played a video clip from "Home Alone" where Candy introduces his polka band and starts playing the clarinet in the rental van. Fans ate It up and were dancing in the stands. Candy was laughing his head off and waving at all the Bomber fans, clearly surprised, overjoyed and yet humbled by the adoration. I have never witnessed that kind of affection from Bomber fans to any visiting opponent. Some have said the day he died, a bit of the Argos died too, never to recover completely. One last random memory of Grey Cup '91, that was the year the Stampeders re-claimed the tradition of riding a horse into the lobby of a hotel. First done in 1948 at the Royal York in Toronto, the horse had not made another attempt until Winnipeg in 1991, but that year it made its triumphant return and strode into the lobby of the Fort Garry hotel, and has been doing so (or attempting to) at every Calgary Grey Cup since. Hope you enjoy your time in Winnipeg this summer, and since you made sure to mention how cold it was during Grey Cup week, hopefully you will mention how warm it gets in the summer in Winnipeg and dispel the myth that we are an igloo year-round.

After this win, the Jets have now won 13 straight games in the regular season in April, and have not lost in regulation in their last 21 (19-0-2) in the month. Their last April loss, not counting playoffs, was April 7, 2014 in Minnesota by a score of 1-0.

Actually I disagree with this statement. I tuned it out after the first 700, so I willfully haven't heard it the last 200.

Jets playoff watch, as of April 2 at 8:30 am. Assuming all regulation or overtime wins: - top 3 spot in division clinched - Clinch 2nd in the Central with a 2-1 record - Clinch 1st in the Central with an 2-1 record - Eliminated from top spot in conference Last night's results of consequence: - Jets, Blues win, Avs lose in SO  Tonight's games of consequence for the Jets: Winnipeg (Div. #1) at Minnesota (Conf. #10) Nashville (Div. #3) at Buffalo Philadelphia at Dallas (WC #1) Edmonton at Colorado (WC #2) LA at Arizona (Conf. #9) Magic # against other teams (combo of pts. gained plus opponent's points lost to secure a Jets' finish on top of the standings, factoring in current ROW): Stars: 0 Blues: 4 Predators: 4 Knights: 1 Sharks: (-6) Calgary (-0) Clinching/elimination scenarios tonight: Winnipeg clinches 2nd in Central with a win and a Nashville regulation loss Nashville clinches a top 3 Central spot with a win, an OT/SO loss AND a Dallas OT/SO loss, or a Dallas regulation loss Dallas clinches a playoff spot with a win or an OT/SO loss, or an Arizona loss in any fashion Chicago eliminated with a Colorado win or OT/SO loss Minnesota eliminated with a regulation loss, a loss in OT/SO AND a Colorado loss in OT/SO, or a Colorado win Pittsburgh clinches a playoff spot with a win or a Montreal loss in regulation Columbus clinches a playoff spot with a win and a Montreal loss in regulation Playoff match-ups as of today (guaranteed positions are in BOLD): Colorado (WC #2) at CALGARY (Conf. #1) Dallas (WC #1) at Winnipeg (Div. #1) VEGAS (Div. #3) at SAN JOSE (Div. #2) Nashville (Div. #3) at St. Louis (Div. #2) Carolina (WC #2) at TAMPA BAY (Conf. #1) Columbus (WC #1) at Washington (Div. #1) Toronto (Div. #3) at Boston (Div. #2) - MATCH-UP GUARANTEED, HOME ICE T.B.D. Pittsburgh (Div. #3) at NYI (Div. #2)

Sorry about the delay folks, been a busy week. Will try to work on the bios today and get the list up.

Never thought I'd see a post on a wrestling thread re-posted in a US Politics thread. Can't even say "but these are the times we live in" since Jesse Ventura was governor of Minnesota for a time a while ago.

Another transfer fee for the Bombers to move back to the East coming up.

Dallas plays a slower trap style that has given the Jets problems this year. We saw it again last night against the Flames, and the commentators were saying that the Stars were a bad match-up to face for Calgary because of how they clog the ice and slow the game. Colorado is more run and gun with Winnipeg, which I think the Jets would be happy to play. One big X factor is Ben Bishop, who is on track for a Veniza season, but who hurt himself again last night with what looks like a recurring groin injury. Losing him could be fatal for Dallas. Having said that, Landeskog is stil out for the Avs and they hope he is back for mid-April. Which loss hurts their team more?

Actually, me too. Jets vs: Nashville 3-1 (15GF-7GA) St. Louis 3-1 (18GF-10GA) Dallas 1-3 (10GF-15GA) Colorado 2-2 (14GF-18GA) *one game remaining in Colorado Minnesota 0-4 (7GF-13GA) *one game remaining in Minnesota Calgary 1-2 (6GF-11GA) San Jose 1-1-1 (11GF-11GA) Las Vegas 2-1 (10GF-9GA) Arizona 1-1 (6GF-7GA) *one game remaining in Arizona

Jets playoff watch, as of 10:00 am March 27: Assuming all regulation or overtime wins: - Playoff spot clinched - #1 Wild Card position clinched - Clinch 3rd in the Central with an 1-4-1 record - Clinch 2nd in the Central with a 4-2 record - Clinch 1st in the Central with an 4-2 record - Clinch 1st in the West with 6-0 record, a 2-4 Calgary record or worse, and a 5-0-1 record or worse by San Jose Last night's results of consequence: - Coyotes win  Tonight's games of consequence: Dallas (WC #1) at Calgary (Conf. #1) Vegas at Colorado (WC #2) Magic # against other teams (combo of pts. gained plus opponent's points lost to secure a Jets' finish on top of the standings, factoring in current ROW): Stars: 3 Blues: 9 Predators: 9 Knights: 9 Sharks: (-13) Calgary (-6) Clinching/elimination scenarios tonight: Anaheim eliminated with a Colorado win. Las Vegas clinches with a win or OT/SO loss Philadelphia eliminated with a regulation loss

Jets playoff watch, as of 10:00 am March 26: Assuming all regulation or overtime wins: - Playoff spot clinched - #1 Wild Card position clinched - Clinch 3rd in the Central with an 1-4-1 record - Clinch 2nd in the Central with a 4-2 record - Clinch 1st in the Central with an 4-2 record - Clinch 1st in the West with 6-0 record, a 3-3-0 Calgary record or worse, and a 6-0 record or worse by San Jose Last night's results of consequence: - Jets, Wild, Flames and Sharks all lose in regulation, Stars, Blues and Preds all win.  Tonight's games of consequence: Chicago at Arizona (Conf. #9) Magic # against other teams (combo of pts. gained plus opponent's points lost to secure a Jets' finish on top of the standings, factoring in current ROW): Stars: 3 Blues: 9 Predators: 9 Knights: 9 Sharks: (-13) Calgary (-6) Clinching/elimination scenarios tonight: Anaheim eliminated with a loss in regulation or OT/SO St. Louis and Las Vegas clinch playoff spots with an Arizona loss in Regulation or OT/SO Florida eliminated with a regulation or OT/SO loss

I agree, but reviews can fix mistakes on some occasions and give fans less opportunities to complain. I don’t think refs get too gun shy to make calls because of video review. I just dislike the concept of “if we can’t fix EVERYTHING, then we won’t do ANYTHING “.

Thought about him, but as a back-up mostly, didn’t think his accolades would warrant all-time consideration. But I will add him.

That really was my only overriding goal. A poll is just a poll, no binding decisions have been made or irrefutable votes for life cast. And I have seen the favoritism play out across the board, with recency bias and generational bias (which I will admit to - I have a Jonesing for the 1984 team and all players of that era), and I certainly agree about posters who list "obscure" players, which seems to be motivated by which era those posters grew up in. But we all have a right to crow about our favorites, and hopefully this little exercise got us through the winter if nothing else. And I can say that some of the name-dropping of players of another time has been helpful in enlightening me about some past greats I would have overlooked. I appreciate everyone's input here, and have enjoyed the spirited but respectful debate that has taken place (although whoever voted Alexandre Gauthier as one of the two best offensive tackles of all time......I have no words there, lol!)

I'm still disappointed at the lack of respect older players are getting in some of these categories. I appreciate that newer players are bigger, faster, stronger, more advanced training so they would be "better" in a head to head comparison, but I try to view it in a " how did they stack up against the best of their era" comparison. That's why Rigney losing out to Bryant in the tackle category is frustrating. Bryant is no doubt the best in the game right now, with 2 consecutive Best Lineman awards, but Rigney was an all-star 7 times. Bill Frank was a monster in his time here too. That longevity and domination over his counterparts during that era should not be washed away by recency bias. To that end, Leo Lewis should be above pretty much anyone not named Roberts in this category (and IMO should have topped out the kick returner category too). The bio will come out later, but he was the club`s all-time rushing leader prior to Charlie, and had a ridiculous 6.8 yards per carry average if my memory serves. And I say this as an unabashed fan of Willard Reaves, the first superstar I observed when I was weaned on Bomber football. And as much as I can appreciate the talent of Blink, I will always be sore about 2001 and his contribution to the club`s failed Grey Cup aspirations that year. First a petulant walk out during the club`s 12 game winning streak because he was tired of the team concept that saw him returning kicks and filling in for Troy Mills and Eric Blount in the 4th quarter when he wanted the star treatment and a dominant starting role. In the short term lead to the end of the streak in Toronto to a lousy Argos team, then a loss at home to the equally mediocre Stampeders (that actually snuck them into the playoffs), stalling the team`s momentum. Longer term it led to a change in Rick Worman`s spread offense game plan, and put the focus on Charlie, who thought that a drunken bender until 4 am in Montreal the night before the championship game was the way to prepare. Milt Stegall has never come out and blamed Charile, but he often decried the lack of dedication to practice and training that he (Stegall) took so seriously, offering grudging respect by saying Roberts had more raw talent than anyone, if only he had put any kind of the effort Stegall did into his game prep, how much better could he have been? As for the Grey Cup, when asked how disappointing it was to never get a ring, Stegall once said "I can't speak for other players, but at least I know when it came time to play in those games, I showed up rested, practiced, prepared and able to give my best in those contests, I couldn't control others who took a different approach". Dig a little deeper and the name Roberts was often tied to those comments. And don't remind me who fumbled on the goalline in 2007 where Kevin Glenn dove to recover it and busted his arm. Grrr!!!!!!! I will be voting for Lewis and Roberts, but if I was coaching an old-style offence with a fullback/running back combo, I would put Andrew Harris at the fullback position and watch him rip off big yards on screen passes and effectively block in pass protection or as a lead blocker in the eye.

Jets playoff watch, as of 10:00 am March 25: Assuming all regulation or overtime wins: - Playoff spot clinched - #1 Wild Card position clinched - Clinch 3rd in the Central with an 1-5-1 record - Clinch 2nd in the Central with a 4-3 record - Clinch 1st in the Central with an 4-3 record - Clinch 1st in the West with 7-0 record, a 3-4-0 Calgary record or worse, and a 6-0-1 record or worse by San Jose Last night's results of consequence: - Coyotes lose in regulation, Avs lose in OT  Tonight's games of consequence: Dallas (WC #1) at Winnipeg (Div. #1) Vegas at St. Louis (Div. #3) Nashville (Div. #2) at Minnesota (Div. #9) LA at Calgary (Conf. #1) Detroit at San Jose (Conf. #2) Magic # against other teams (combo of pts. gained plus opponent's points lost to secure a Jets' finish on top of the standings, factoring in current ROW): Stars: 3 Blues: 9 Predators: 9 Knights: 11 Sharks: (-15) Calgary (-8)

As has been stated a few times by the coach, having Little and Lowry together on a line allows them to match up well on defensive zone faceoffs. Lowry steps in on his strong side (dot to the goalie's left) and Little takes the draws ion the other side. Plus, if one of them gets tossed they have a ready back-up who is capable. And count me among those who does not mind Hendricks playing right now. He has had past chemistry with Perrault, he plays more of a bottom 6 game than Roslovic, and he gets to harden himself for the playoff grind while Roslovic gets some rest. Roslovic has only 2 even strength goals all year, and is more of a top 6 replacement than a bottom 6 checker. He will be very good in the future, but he has not stepped up quite yet into the offensive player the team needs him to be. Cue Goaile's rant in 5...4...3...

So Bastaja and Black get in as the guards, and Walby and a surprising Stanley Bryant are leading the way at tackle, so next we will consider the running back spot. Originally I was going to make the first category fullbacks, and leave only a single running back spot, which would have made an interesting debate when limited to one choice, but I am going to reverse course on that. The fullback spot is hard to research going back, I suspect people would have pretty much unanimously chosen Mike Sellers, and today the dual back set does not much exist with 5 receiver sets in vogue now. Even when two backs line up they often both can be a tailback. So I will just make one category for running backs and we will have 2 to choose from. Early nominees from me, without having done a lick of research on it, will include Fritz Hansen, Gerry James, Leo Lewis, Mack Herron, Jay Washington, William Miller, Willard Reaves, Robert Mimbs, Michael Richardson, Charles Roberts, Fred Reid, and Andrew Harris. I've tried to include those who won at least one rushing title, made an all-star squad, or were nominated as the team's MOP. Let me know of any others you'd like added. Bios up on Friday.

That's a nice concept in fairy tale land where everyone lives happily ever after, but we all know fans will lose their collective $#!+ when it's their team on the end of a blown call in a big game, and they know technology exists to fix these mistakes and isn't being used. Ask any Sabres fan if they are over losing the Stanley Cup on Hull's foot foul? Or if England has forgotten Maradonna's "Hand of God". Or if Saints' fans would like a do-over on the missed PI call in the playoffs last year? I don't mind the concept with the added challenge. It sucks to have to burn your challenge if the refs obviously miss something early in the game, and don't have it in the 4th on a 50/50 PI call. And if only goes from one gov two IF you get the first one right, it won't stall the game too much. What I could do without is the challenge for "illegal contact" halfway across the field from the play. I get the argument that any interference can disrupt the play, and maybe the QB was going to go that way before the infraction but had too look off it, but if 7 or 8 refs don't catch it in live action, then coaches shouldn't be able to hunt for an infraction. That's akin to challenging holding - if you look hard enough you'll find some kind of penalty on every play. Maybe they should institute a penalty for an incorrect challenge, like a delay of game penalty, 10 yards, automatic first down if the defensive team gets it wrong, or 10 yards and loss of down for the offensive team.

So nothing of consequence last night with the Wild winning. Lots of scenarios tonight, but bottom line Jets win and they are in the playoffs regardless of any other outcome.

Bryant in a very short time has achieved what only Walby before him had - 2 MOLineman awards. Give him 4 more all stat noms and one more MOLine award in the next 4 years and he steps into the conversation for top 2 all time. Hard to believe that a back-to-back lineman of the year “only” ranks anywhere from maybe 3rd to 8th right now, but as was said this category was loaded.