Booch

yup....thats why stats are misleading....and not knowing the context or time and circumstance of it I don't think ZC has the ability now to drag a team to victory on his back...unless everything is perfect for him and he has a certain type of player who can bail him out a lot and making him look better than he actually is....and we don't have those guys anymore Prime Schoen...Lawler...Bailey making a lot of the tough and grimy catches and then yac after....as well as physical presence keeping DB's honest...Woli and what he did...Darvin and the tough and timely grabs...plus the leadership he brought and the do it like me presence....we have so let our receiver group turn into garbage, add in a convenience hire for OC...Basically a guy with no real experience other than being B0's hype coach...well you see what we get

to be honest over the course of his starts he averages about 209 yards...not stellar by any means but not as bad as you make it out.....and as for his running....I wouldn't judge that until next yr as he is just a yr removed from a knee reebuild...an injury 1000's of guys come back from, but as mentioned here by others, and from first hand experience it 90% of times takes a good full yr to actually get back to where you were before injury. and that injury too sits in your head until you finally realize you are 100 percent....so writing him totally off at this point is not warramted....it definitely effects his pocket presence as well and self preservation.... Next yr tho we are tied to ZC....and then just rookies and no experience guys barring any trade, so let ZC...Strev and whomever else is here battle it out in a full on open competition for the starter, and then sort it out who is the best...we may unfortunately be in the deep woods wandering for a yr our 2 at the position and on offence as a whole, so smart forward thinking would be to shoring up this yrs defense as best we can ...figure out and find who our best players are...with no bias involved be it tenure...nationality or type of glue they apparently bring and hope we can ride them as the backbone and still be successful while we sort out offence last several seasons he has had a lot of sub 200 yard games as well...and looked horrible in the process...has thrown double digit int's 4 of last 6 yrs and well on his way to 5 in last 7.....pro's and con's on all sides of our QB situation We effed up not retaining Brown and rolling with guys from the 2 cup urs at several spots as Osh still lived in past and considered them these unreal best of the best....no forward thinking If we kept Brown....and also had Strev and a coaching team and co-ordinator to create something to compliment their styes...and ut pretty similar really, as both work well in a roll out and srint offence....we would be light yrs ahead where we are ow, and good cgance Strev would have actually been developed more and not beat to a pulp and forced into a system not suited to him

Lose next week...start the rebuild and let the best guys play...could cross over and catch lightning in a bottle if they get a good 6..or 8 games as a group

No..but they could be used as rotational pieces and as depth with experience...more use than our 2 Canadian dt's not named Lawson... I didn't say they as singular players are all world..but used accordingly and in tandem with our best guys...we would be better Woli and BOLO would help here...we let Sayles walk for money...hed sure be nice as a mainstay here...Dobson even with still some weak moments would make our line much better Lawler...nuff said...even legs...we could have freed up a DA spot...sure Castillo can make some long bombs...but also has bouts of Mr miss too... Cyril Penn...left basically cause why would he stay when his work basically gets pissed on by a coach who just keeps rostering the same ol same ol...he could have stayed here but folowed Goviea We let guys go with no viable plan B...or hang onto the belief some of the slugs and pylons we have kicking around are adequate...and they are not and hence here we are

J.jones not seeing the field at all didnt help...he played a lot the previous game and helped immensely...didnt see much of him last night...why is the question Been saying for several yrs...our roster management....player reps and utilization of our guys for best impact has been wretched Also I stand by my claim osh is heavily Canadian biased...and it hurts us...reason why too he won't utilize rules afforded to him...he doesn't like them...and was outspoken against them when originally implemented...talk about not putting team first over your bias...

@DTonOB you have some defensive rep numbers for our DA's? I know Vavals will be squewwed as he was an injury replacement but curious on others..and not including goaline/shortyardage reps as they basically just a body What kinda reps did CGY's DA's get in comparison?

If sterns is our best..we in a world bad...hes good if we had 2 other imports as tha marquee guys and he has his role...but as your numero uno...ouch

They as a collective are markedly better

Yeah Thomas isnt reason...but he has no business on roster...and won't ever give a tide changing play or any impact...factor in zero upside now...no relevance...why he playing...he just taking reps away from better players and blocking up development of youngsters with upside...there several guys on the roster doing that OC guy has no clue on how to create let alone manage a pro playbook and his play calling and situational decisions are awful Too much buddy relationships here are clouding the proper judgement of decisions...

All points count...regardless how insignificant they seem and when given up How many games in the cfl do you see come down to 2 to 5 points a game for win in waning seconds...we don't give away those 2 for better field position and we at worse are in o.t...and to show no faith in your returner to make a big run is pathetic...we parked him on the 10 with instructions that if it was gonna land around him...let it go....sooooo weak and playing not to lose....in our case trying not to lose...no excuse for that decision...and when you ever see that occur in a cfl game...let alone 2x in same game....I'll tell ya....never Well when cut u will never know...other teams put in work and time in their own guys so other teams cuts they for most part have zero intel on them...or zero need as they sliced away their own dead weight and replenished it already Funny thing Ham has prob now what 8..9 guys on their roster contributing...guys we deemed expendable or not worth the cost...and a couple of our former management and scouting guys...about 18 percent of their roster What's their record and how they look compared to us? Rather telling when you look at it

So let go of the past..aka about 4 players to start...and maybe a coach or 3

Coaching made the roster...so....we're hooped They suck tho...so that money can be better used..and rookies if need be can play too...everyone was a rookie at some point

That's a good start...and looking forward...not back to 2019-2021

Of course...but that's bad money spent...I'm sure you could use that money for 4 better players...or one real difference maker and a legit rookie We really don't even need Thomas on team with 3 other Canadian DT...we really only need 2..so even more money available to be spread elsewhere

Thomas ain't making big bucks but not chump change...probably 130k at least...dumping him...kolo...Kramdi..prob woukd have pocketed us 400k or more to utilize elsewhere

Yeah...I agree with this

First 25 mins or so...then please go find something to do...

Crossover may be our way in

Yup...osh says we got all the talent we need...just make a few more plays...what a tool...maybe make a few more coaching calls...decisions...instructions...maybe the talent is there but not the coaching???

That all leads back to coaching and who chose these guys...and or the inability to coach them up to succeed...or make any in game adjustments Walters doesn't cut guys...and play old useless crap

Turd boat Admirals Its OC guy

All the points count tho...especially with our offence...they were points you almost never see given up like that

We got the combo meal there..and we supersized it

Or a legit group of recievers...

I wanna say it...but wont