Booch

Imagine eh?....it's not like it requires a deep dive or anything, or some far fetched theory....it's pretty cut and dried

Looking at our PR....there is probably 6 guys on it who are better and would offer more than what we rostered last game,,,,and we wonder why oir depth seems so shitty and our main guys at times appear to be gassed If some those main guys were now back-ups, or in rotation and some the dead weight was not rostered...we'd be a helluva lot better We sat Woods, Adams, J.Jones, Houston, Peterson, Echols I'm sure dumping some of or all of Logan, Cobb, Thomas, Lawson Jr. Ayers, Ball, Weitz for those guys would have not hurt us...likely made us immensely better, deeper....

so a BB loss for say...dumb decisions...poor prep...inadequate coaching leading up to game...and in game adjustments...questionable roster moves and playing a player or 2 thats clearly not healthy.....assume it's all good due to the "Yeah but's" and "not all just on the Coach(s)" ....again......so don't get alarmed or crotchety?? Asking for a friend(s)

being forced....and having the foresight and planning to do so, and actually see your weaknesses before they kill you.......2 different things

getting early to experience the tailgating and the area around the stadium where there are things going on is always a good start....coming from off portage you will have a decent trek to the stadium so make sure to give yourself adequate time as there is construction everywhere

Well coukdnt post...so hence...banned from posting....no further comment

Or just demote him...or to save face...as we know Osh won't admit he screwed up...another flaw...just promote Jackson and have them both as co-offensive coordinators The expectation that Hogan wouldn't struggle and look way out of his element with zero real relevant experience was a fools game from the start We dragged our feet way to long announcing a hire...Osh said we in no hurry and its all good...pretty much into free agency...prob a good reason why we maybe didnt land one of those top WR that were Free agents...they wanna know who they gonna be playing for...or the guy we promoted got a big ol no thanks from them...as players aren't stupid either

That management and coach shifted how they do it...the smugness here hasn't and from anything he says...and how he acts...Likely won't First step in change is almost always the HC...that's where u start...past history...good or bad be damned...means nothing looking forward

Roster turn over only by injury..(don't ban me again @Mark H. as injury is only way we change) or by defection...not from a guy out playing or showing more potential. Many instances of guys out playing vets in preseason...yet never or rarely get kept..or if do don't get a shot and rot on PR Don't have to replace every one at once but 1 or 2 a yr...and your roster fluidity thrives and your depth/backups become actually capable...be it a new face or a vet pushed to backup roll...we fail miserably at that here due to Osh way of rostering and penchant for valuing any vet regardless of skill..its very apparent @wbbfan hit nail on head with his post. Walters needs to step up and be the boss and if he gets resistance by his coach then needs to rectify it And if he can't perform that task the Prez who technically is the owner here needs to make some decisions And as u said here @17to85..standing pat...resting on your laurels and living with your past success thinking it will manifest again...pretty much pushing 6..7 yrs now is just asking to fail...just as your roster has to evolve and change...your way of doing things...how you coach and scheme needs to as well...especially 12 yrs into it...

yeah and he still relying on those same guys for a lot of parts of roster Also coaches need to change thier philosophy and how they go about things too...their process a it doesnt work forever...evolve and adapt or die...and he hasn't whatsoever He was also supplied with players in their prime and best at their posotion...so success should have been the result....they are now not in may instances Historically the trends for sports is after teams start to struggle and fail that a HC change occurs about 80% of the time first...as they are most responsible for game performance...good....and bad.... It's almost always the first move as a G.M switch is more prone for bigger organizational shifting...or change...and most times unless it's real incompetence, there is no evidence right now for that....also a HC firing, or moving on from one is gonna show the team is looking for accountability before blowing everything up...and totally disemboweling your front office...thats just how she goes Coach goes first, and if things continue down same path...or worse...G.M gets chopped If we fail again this yr it's not far fetched to move on from the coach....it's a what have you done business after all....and we failed 3 straight seasons...and the 4th isnt looking super rosey either doubt it...neither of the teams they went to are ripping the league a new arse like were in our prime We brought in a good crew of guys to replace them...and Penn....That excuse is just that...an excuse with no validity to it

IN pro football...a HC will let his G.M and scouting staff know what kind of player and skill set he looking for for about 80 percent of his roster....and the staff will also bring some in outliers they like to fill it out, as well as some prospects....Thats how it works The G.M for the most part isnt out bird dogging either.....not his role. He's more the make it work within budget/sms guy and completes all the trans actions He does not cut guys going over the head of the Coach...nor forces guys on field at the behest of his HC The roster we have/had is the vison of Osh...Not the scouting staff and G.M.....Sure there are some variances here and there and some other circumstances (guys falling in your lap..etc) but they miniscule at best I sure with some questionable stuff there is discussion about it but if the HC sells his point they gonna trust him until that trust wears thin....are we there now?...who knows Top to bottom our staff has failed in several capacities the last 3..4 yrs...G.M to H.C....and they reason/problem/disconnect needs to be figured out lickity split or we gonna see this trend continue The frustrating part save for the real lack of urgency this yr in player signings, or lack there of and coaching...waiting well into new yr for an O.C only to promote a guy totally not ready/qualified for the job, os that we continue to make a lot of the same stupid mistakes/moves over..and over...and over.....which lends one to think this crew in current format has hit it's best before date and has no answer now and needs to be rebooted

And who says we have best med staff in the league?? Us? That isnt proof...every team and player says thst about their staff Find me an unbiased quote from anyone credible claiming that one....good luck And from watching game upon game of injured guys forced into action...id have my doubts Logan too...clearly not where he needs to be...zero explosion and cutting ability...was apparent first game...but played again...confirmed yesterday...if he rostered for BB we definitely are blind or stupid...id lean toward both sadly

Gotta make one post from my banning...wasn't gonna acknowledge the warning but some the dumb posts ...this one in particular was too much He was indeed rushed in early to start yr...said it right outta gate and his play showed he wasn't good yet Reinjured his fresh surgery...came back braced up...huge red flag...should never been brought in again....play showed it as he was seeing ghosts and playing in self preservation mode and really Echols would have offered more with limited time here Landed on it again...hurt...with brace...totally predictable...we won't see him again this yr now...thanks osh And we seen it with him rushed back before from ankle...along with 3 other guys in that Grey cup....yr previous with ZC and his ankle....Biggie...and there were others I know you are a great fan buy u need to take blinders off and remove head from Osh sphincter...just plain stupidity over and over with roster and player use...could have likely ruined Schoens career last night...and for what? Cover ones arse for a weak and depleted lineup? With Nichols bone headed play we still should have been up at that point anyway if not for pathetic offense play calling Or if the HC was alert enough to call a timeout to prevent a too many men penalty or the no end...instead of standing there with his smug but at times clueless look on sideline..inexcusable errors..and lord knows we didnt need to save a timeout for a challenge flag opp...that flag stays glued to his lil shorts more often than not Then going off all defensive on D.Taylor...u signed up for the HC job...deal with the criticism like a pro as you profess how your players should...lead by example...and I see minimal leading by him last few yrs...more coasting and thinking he has the answer...and if not the "room" will find it...and trust me...or don't...but the "room" ain't what a lot u think it is

Yeah who we beat that's really worthy...B.C...nope...4th string QB mtl...ott...edm early....but they look better than us now to be honest We in trouble...bigtime

Bright spots...we found another stud in Woodbey...Lawson back to form...Clercius evolving...Demski.... Brady when involved...Kyrie of old showed up...did Mitchel find traction? Puke worthy...Osh decision to sit Adams...Drop logan as dline pressure more important than a 4 snap a game offence piece and a guy clearly not healthy either OC guy...get the eff outta town...Osh can take you and stay too....Def CO...your next...evolve or dissappear That's bout it...kudos to Schoen for agreeing to try but we may have just wrecked his career

Yup...pushing him into service out of desperation...I seen that coming...we likely screwed him now ...not for just this yr....needing the brace wasn't too obvious of a reason to rest him....dumbasses!

And the games we got thumped but scored late...perfect opportunity to try for 2 even tho no hope of actually winning...but good practice under live fire...for say such a situation as this...but nope...osh didnt run the 2 point offence...there are 2 or 3 instances i can think of where we could have...so not shocking it looked like we had no clue tonight Coaching is our Achilles heal on too many levels...and starts at HC And zero adjustments at half...again...

Yeah like I said this quasi comeback likely does the same...Osh will consider this a success and 1 or 2 plays..or bounces and we win....totally missing what actually happened and the reasons

Yeah he clearly had it initially and was down

Sad part....osh will use this "comeback" to gloss over all the b.s and we will change absolutely nothing...he will consider this a great game

Another thing we didnt practice in those blow outs

Total telegraphed play

Typical

And.....to think....we gave away 7 points

Practicing it in those blow out losses woukda been nice