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I agree that we haven't seen much in the way of launch point changes. I want some succession planning on our OL to occur throughout the year but I am not willing to buy into the theory that our OL is struggling. Our offence has looked pretty good for most of the season. We have other issues to iron out that are bigger and must be addressed before playoffs.

Depth at QB? Because if Zach comes into that game healthy you will never convince me that we wouldn't have won that game. The biggest coaching flaw I saw in the GC last year was not using Brown vs, Prukop. Teams didn't give up they got worn down and their compete level beat out of them. I mean maybe in garbage time they gave up...and maybe shouldn't have...but most of our wins last year we clearly outclassed the opposition. I would say the same is true this year as well. Even Ottawa was a rout that was simply our team putting the cart before the horse and it spiralling on us. I chalk that loss up to pure hubris by our players.

I agree. Building a championship and setting up culture are the lynch pins of success. What are arguing about again? I wouldn't trade MOS for any HC in this league....would you?

We most certainly did not get lucky in 2019. We gave a master class in playoff football that year. As for winning with some flawed things....EVERY Grey Cup champ EVER. Hey I don't mind the discussion of our weaknesses, but saying our three year run is flawed and lucky is over the top.

Yea...last year ZC took a lot of hits and pressures as well. I think that is due to some roster turnover on the OL and Harris being gone. I am not seeing it as a big problem though. He is still probably the cleanest or one of the cleanest QBs in the league when it comes to contact. Do we have the 2019/21 OL anymore? No we don't. Is our OL a problem...that is fantasy.

I don't think it does, and I think the amount of hits Zach is taking is being wildly overblown imo. Just my opinion. Yes...in the 4th we are running very well and have for many years. Defences get worn out and if you are in the position to run that is what you do. Again, does anyone have any numbers to back up the claim that ZC is facing more pressure and taking more hits? I think sometimes we build up our legendary OL to the point that we expect too much out of them.

I honestly don't see Zach taking many more hits than he ever has. I'd like to see the numbers on how many hits per game he is taking this year vs last year. There will ALWAYS be bitching on fan forums. That is a given. I like to measure performance by results. Does MOS have flaws, show me a person in the world who doesn't, is he by far and away the best HC in this loop. Hands down...no one even close really. Problem with fans is we like to take a small problem, isolate it, and therefore it becomes overblown and out of context to the over all.

This is more an indication of teams not overlooking him in their game plan anymore. Really says bupkus about anything else.

I just think that sometimes as fans we take a decision like starting Maruo (who played pretty well btw) and we isolate it and put it in a bubble, fill it with hot air until it becomes a "is this the year fans turn on MOS" type of thread. Great for discussion but overblown. We are 5-2 with all 5 victories being by pretty decent margins. Yea...we crapped the bed in a couple games...and that's not something we are used to seeing, but we are in very decent shape through 7 games. Even in 2021, a year many of us hold up as maybe the greatest single season in Bomber history many of our victories came late in games and were pretty tight until we blew it open in the 4th Q..

I agree. When even Chris Jones Magical Mystery Tour of QBs passes you over start boning up on another position group's playbook ASAP.

Didn't realize that. I like being the last team to get the bye and late season byes.

Oh...I see,,,yea for sure. We paid him what it took to get him for sure. That door being open was completely on O`Day though. Jones had a verbal deal in place for a lot less than we offered.

What he does when adversity hits will tell the tale on him. Expectations are low for him right now but they won`t remain low and DCs are piling up the tape on him as we speak. Things are going to get tougher for him, and Crum too.

I don`t know how they could possibly think Willie was over priced. Good lord his last contract with the RIders he was getting 150k.

Hey, let me be clear, I have given a bunch of scenarios on why the Bombers might have let him go. I most certainly am not discounting the possibility that this was a blunder either. Just not willing to concede that at this point as a certainty that's all. I think we have to wait and see on this one and time will tell. Like I said earlier, I don`t get the SY specialist thing. I am certainly not suggesting that Prukop is our ideal number 3, Far from it. I would love to see the next gen Bomber and league MOP sitting in our number 3 right now. That being said, none of us have a hot clue whether Pigrome was that guy or not.

He would be a good add for WIL and teams right now too. Some multi-position depth that is likely gonna come cheap if we want him. He's serviceable at both DE and WIL....I would be tempted.

Tobi Antigha released by the Esks.....hmmm....

For sure, last year was pretty good too.

Yea, bad example. Willy had agreed to terms with Jones just prior to him bolting to the NFL. No ink on paper and Willy's coach leaving and a better contract offer and he was in Winnipeg.

Does it count when he turns a receiver into a DE? If so, then yea....I guess he has done it more than I thought...lol. My point was Ceresna is his golden boy....he never trades his faves.

In fairness, Prukop has only been here a couple weeks and who knows maybe Pigrome just couldn't execute the package we wanted from him. Are you suggesting Prukop is not good at short yardage?

I do agree that SY QB is a head scratcher. Always was to me. It's worked out for us but I would rather have a 3rd QB in development instead. Find a bonafide number 3 that is worthy of developing. We are one hit away from him being our backup. That being said, I honestly don't think the Bombers saw Pigrome in that way. We know he can run. Can he read a defence? Does he understand our game? Does he seem to be learning it? Does he have the arm? He hasn't answered a single question on my list and we are grousing about him as the one who got away. Seems very premature to me.

Perhaps...or maybe he was a locker room cancer causing trouble because he didn't like his role? Can you say for sure that wasn't the case? Maybe, he was an ill fit in the QB room. All I'm saying is that we don't know. Pigrome and Prukop are probably about equal in ability. Maybe it was just that Prukop was a way better fit. Maybe, the Bombers coaches just saw something in Pigrome that leads them to believe his ceiling is a lot lower than what many think. Who knows. Certainly not you or I when it comes to something like that. It is not drinking the koolaid to know that there is more to football than straight up skill evaluation. Gimme a break with that cock and bull. Don't lecture about drinking the koolaid when someone points out that Pigrome might be nothing more than a shiny bauble. You got a hate on for MOS roster management right now...I get that....but drinking the koolaid. FFS...smh. Or maybe that 'upside" just isn't there.

Jones does not trade away great defensive players. If he played offence....maybe....but he doesn't.

Wacky? I guess from the outside looking in. A lot of decisions seem wacky to fans but we shouldn't assume we have the information available that the HC does. Pigrome and Prukop are a saw off in terms of talent as 3rd down specialists. Therefore, I will assume that there must have been other flies in the ointment that led to the decision. I do not think MOS cuts seemingly promising QBs without being confident he has done the right thing for the club. Could be Pigrome wasn't happy with his role, could be he was going off script, could be he wasn't meshing in the QB room, could be a lot of things that the fans wouldn't know. I'd love for MOS to come out and air dirty laundry and put our minds at ease sometimes, but it is something he has not and will never do. 3 straight GC championships/appearances. Guess I will give him the benefit of the doubt.