Zontar
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5 minutes ago, wanna-b-fanboy said:
Not really in this case... it's more "why Biden and not JCB if corruption was the issue" and less "it's fine because Obama did it too"
But it is . Youre asking what about JCB and why isnt that being investigated if WH is so worried about corruption.
"Whataboutism" is a weasel term anyway. If there is a lack of consistency it should be pointed out every time.
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12 minutes ago, wanna-b-fanboy said:
We are in agreement with that. I was pointing out the JCB connection as a counter argument to the while corruption thing.
Which is "whataboutism" so I'm told.
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4 minutes ago, 17to85 said:
That's not a legal rebuttal, it's an attempted distraction. Biden and his son have zero to do with Trump and his obstruction of congress or abuse of power. Investigating Biden isn't the issue, it's the how he went about it and as always, the cover up is worse than the crime.
So really what is either biden going to bring as a witness? They are irrelevant in terms of the articles trump was impeached under. The only reason you bring up Biden is to distract from the real issue. Trump would be proud but people here aren't dumb enough to buy that crap.
Shrug. You asked how they thought Biden was relevent. And I answered.
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1 minute ago, wanna-b-fanboy said:Thank you? For proving my Point?
Is the point that there is selective ethics and morality in politics applied to some people but not others ? Then ,youre welcome.
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10 minutes ago, wanna-b-fanboy said:
yet Joseph Cofer Black is on the board @ burisma with little to no experience or qualifications and he's not being investigated... oh right, because his dad isn't running against trump...
JCB is also the business partner of Erik Prince... that might also be why he's untouched...
Is he running for president ? Not really the same thing, is it ?
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9 hours ago, 17to85 said:
What the **** do the Bidens have to do with Trump obstructing congress or his abuse of power?
Legal rational is POTUS has a right to investigate corruption by an american politician in a foreign country. Biden somehow got his unemployed unskilled son on a ukranian energy company BOD. Trump defense wants it explained.
A legal rebuttal to the "abuse of power" prosecution theory.
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Just now, do or die said:
Funny, he was good enough to be hired by a stable genius, who only hires the right people.....
As far as "the swamp".....one should take a closer look at past and present Trump Cabinet appointees.
A lot of Trump hires have been baffling. Bolton is at the top of the list.
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38 minutes ago, do or die said:
You really think that the mic and camera is the only thing they are worried about? Bolton doesn't exactly fit the wide eyed, crazed leftist narrative does he? Uber right crazy, perhaps....
No he fits the whack job swamp creature bent on revenge. As bad or worse.
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21 minutes ago, do or die said:
Who is royally spooked by the notion of witnesses? What have we been watching for months? So Trump's NSA at the time..... would just be giving "air time and sound bites for the media"
You sound eerily, like a White House Spokesperson......
Basic politics. You don't go out of your way to give opponent the microphone and camera.
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24 minutes ago, do or die said:
Bolton stated before the House hearings that he wanted to testify. The White House indicated that they would initiate a lengthy court battle to prevent this. Wouldn't the Republicans be eager to discredit this stuff?
But do they really want to know about what he (and other senior members of the administration) saw and heard? That is the issue here. Based on statement and (in) action....they seem pretty terrified at the prospect.
Bolton is just echoing whats already been discredited. No need to be eager for testimony. Quit the contrary it would be just giving air time and sound bites for the media from a Trump hater.
If he gets sworn in then either or both of the Bidens do too. Dems are royally spooked by that notion.
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4 minutes ago, do or die said:
If Bolton is going to make cash, later on his inside knowledge of administration things. He might as well show the money under oath. Instead of being blocked from testifying, like every single other person of interest, with the Trump administration. So far the only people who were able to speak publicly (House hearings) have painted a pretty ugly picture. Surely someone, any one, could testify FOR Trump.
Unless they simply don't exist.
Seriously beleive he wants to be questioned under oath now ? Questions about coordinating media leaks, quite possibly illegal, for who knows how long and todays media leak just to juice book sales. Think that might come up in questioning ?
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5 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:
Hahahaha so the guy is great when he’s not undermining your guy right? Lol. Good lord!
You will spend the rest of your natural life looking for a post by me defending Bolton. Swamp creature , deep state extraordinaire.
Try reading what I actually say instead of lazily filtering what you think i say through your leftist bias.
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58 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:
Well I guess we can disregard him. And Bolton. And everyone else. Cause you say so haha
Championing a scumbag warmonger like Bolton and helping him sell books. Do progressives feel the slightest bit conflicted ? You hate Trump so much youre willing to sell yourselves out over that dickbag ?
Man, and people thought hitching the wagon to porn star lawyer Avenatti was bad.
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37 minutes ago, blue_gold_84 said:
Nice histrionics. You know, I think others here would be willing to take you seriously if you actually presented evidence for your ridiculous comments. Resorting to whataboutism and deflection is not a very respectable or rational way to make a point. In fact, it makes you look like nothing more than a troll.
Which is to say nothing about your horrid grasp of the English language. The word you're looking for is hearsay. Hearsay.
Once again: hearsay.
But it is all heresay Not one witness has proof of a direct order. They are all parotting what the other said. Cant build a case on assumption and supposition .
histrionics ? In Schiffs last speech he said one couldnt trust the outcome of the next election and therefore voters couldnt be trusted to deliver final verdict on Trump.. Hes one the people you think are the good guys ?
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10 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:
"Was there a 'quid pro quo?' As I testified previously, with regard to the requested White House call and White House meeting, the answer is yes," - Sondland
Seriously, dont know what more can be said.
Based on an self admitted assumption not on instructions by WH.
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11 minutes ago, do or die said:
Well, why don't the Republicans simply call a couple of witnesses, past or current members of the Trump administration.......to total blow away this "put up job"? Could of done this at any time.....seeing that they are not scared of anything.
Dunno. Its a poker game. Another question that could be asked is; If case is so iron clad why did Schiff say there was no need to hear from the "whistleblower" and yet pleaded for other witnesses ? (after earlier asserting the country desperately needed to hear from him/her)
Schiff told a bold face lie during inquiry which should have disqualified him from the entire process when he said he had never met with the whistleblower yet was named head of the process The very process people are supposed to believe has credibilitty. Theres every reason for him to be ripped.
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4 minutes ago, do or die said:
For that matter....neither are cryptic deflections.
But that was the sum total of Democrats opening statements. Two days of heresay evidence and long speeches about how Trump is the antichrist and not removing him gurantees the universe will explode.
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8 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:
witnesses. evidence. And facts are all facts. Chief of Staff admitted it. How many poeple connected to it need to say it before you believe it? Are you really so in love with Trump that you're pretending facts dont exist? Its one thing to accept those facts and pretend they dont matter, but to actually state the facts are not as they are,...you're a great example of the far right base but really...its a gimmick right?? I hope...
Sondland, their supposed star witness, was asked directly if Trump ordered quid pro quo.
"No"
"Then why did you say there was such an order?"
"I just assumed"
Zelensky, who actually took the phone call, No quid pro quo,, was never said by Trump, not aware of any aid being withheld at any time.
Seriously, dont know what more can be said.
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How is it disinformation ? Apart from stans who takes either of them seriously? They are shills each for their corporate masters.
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1 minute ago, The Unknown Poster said:
Oh so you're simply ignoring facts and evidence. We're really on a different planet now if you're trying to say the aid being linked to favours which they admitted to, is discredited. Holy smokes.
Heresay and dramatic , fabulist speeches are not facts.
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37 minutes ago, wanna-b-fanboy said:
Discredited by who? Hannity?
By anyone who understands the words "aid was never withheld" "zelensky said he was not told of any quid pro quo by Trump or anyone else".
Hannity is the Rachel Maddow of the GOP establishment. Hes a political talk show host dressed up as an news analyst.
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11 hours ago, bustamente said:
The Walrus lobes a grenade and it lands right on Trumps defence................Turtle seen making a dive for his shell
Coordinated media leak and book promo in middle of impeachment trial whose hail mary bombshell is Bolton saying the same thing that has already been discredited.
And they want people not be cynical and take the whole process seriously.
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1 hour ago, wanna-b-fanboy said:
How would a travel ban help?
Is there any other country that has imposed a travel ban?
1. To stop more infected people coming into this country. To stop the possibility of infecting more people going to that country
2. Leadership is waiting for other countries to do it ?
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Largest quarantine in human history happening now. Justin yet to issue travel bans. Put the bong down and get back to work.
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