SpeedFlex27

Well, we can't answer accurately until we get to the other side. It was the second wave that killed the majority of people in 1919 during the Spanish Flu pandemic.

I personally don't think community ownership would work in Toronto. They have some owners with deep pockets with MLSE. Braley is a disaster in BC. He was a good owner in the 80's & he seems to be stuck in a time warp. The Lions were community owned until the 80's. It might still work there.

No kidding.

Allen did what all players do. There is unlimited free agency in the CFL & there was back when he played. He moved from team to team for more money. It had nothing to do with him not being any good, uncoachable or overrated. It had everything to do with being paid as much as he could get. Just like any CFL veteran player wants. As far as me using one argument, I assume you mean stats. Well, stats don't lie & they don't play favourites. If you play like **** then chances are your stats will be ****. How many qbs do we know put up great regular seasons but choke in the playoffs??? Allen saved his best for the playoffs & Grey Cups. That's what the stats tell me. That is their story.

One cheque $1200 in April. Yep, Americans are just livin' in the tall grass off that money. Republicans are all brain dead.

They pay the bills & that is it. They have no interest in investing in a new stadium for the Stamps. About a year ago there were rumours that a group of investors wanted to bring in a MLS team to Calgary for 2026. It would have involved building a new stadium of about 30,000 seats. Perhaps CSEC would partner with them to get a new football/soccer stadium built. Since then crickets with Covid. Wouldn't be surprised if the whole thing is now dead.

You'll get your answer in about 6 months with winter fast approaching.

I have no problem with a vaccine. I'd even volunteer for a clinical trial.

The question no one wants to address. What if the pandemic is still going strong in 2021 & there's no vaccine? Pro sports along with vast sectors of our economy will be devastated.

Are you like this when you hire on air announcers for your radio station in Olds?

Guess that's all he needed.

So, now you're a qb coach giving us your assessments of Allen's mechanics? I doubt if you could critique the difference between the way Matt Nichols throws compared to Ricky Ray & what their strengths & weaknesses are. Saying that, I'd be interested in your critique of Allen's throwing mechanics & what his flaws were. What you think prevented him from being considered elite in your eyes. Your argument about longevity is only one part of it. QBs have to play a long time in order to win a number of championships. It took Tom Brady nearly 20 years to win 6 Super Bowl championships. But he did it with just one team. Not 3. For some reason you've latched onto that as your only argument for greatness. I have read your comments but the problem I have is I don't know how serious you are about them. Whether playing a long time actually means something to you or not. When you throw Troy Westwood's name out there as an example, I begin to wonder. He played a long time & was good enough to play a lot of years but I'd never put his name up there with Justin Medlock or Rene Paredes. He had too many big misses in big games when the Bombers counted on him to come through & at times he didn't. You say nobody ever talks about how Allen elevated his game & made his teammates better around him??? I don't know how you can even say that as the subject came up a lot back when he played. He did play very well in the playoffs & he did make his teammates better. Being a multi championship qb means you do elevate others around you to new heights. That's what playing for 3 different teams & winning four championships with those teams does. Being able to adapt to a different city, team, players, coaching & offensive systems. As well as making everyone better. Look up some of the greats who played. Bernie Faloney won 2 Grey Cups with 2 teams. Edmonton & Hamilton. Ron Lancaster won 3 Grey Cups with 2 teams. Ottawa & Saskatchewan. Jerry Keeling won 2 Grey Cups with 2 teams. Calgary & Ottawa. Henry Burris won 2 Grey Cups with 2 teams. Calgary & Ottawa RedBlacks. Tom Clements won 2 Grey Cups with 2 teams. Ottawa Rough Riders & Winnipeg. Tracy Ham won 2 Grey Cups with 2 teams. Edmonton & Baltimore. Matt Dunigan won 2 Grey Cups with 2 teams. Edmonton & Toronto. Doug Flutie won 3 Grey Cups with 2 teams. Calgary & Toronto. Ricky Ray won 4 Grey Cups with two teams. Two each with Edmonton & Toronto. Winning 4 championships with 3 different CFL teams is a rare feat among CFL qbs over the years. Done only one once by Allen. Which is what makes him elite. Now, maybe I missed somebody & there's another CFL qb who won at least 4 Grey Cups with 3 different teams during his career but I doubt it. The stats don't lie. Especially at the qb position. Like a pitcher in baseball & a goaltender in hockey, it's all about the stats. The Vezina Trophy in hockey & Cy Young Award in baseball. That is how the greats are judged. Longevity is a part of it but not all of it. Championships define quarterbacking & so is winning 4 times with 3 different teams. I mentioned Allen's career stats because you can't ignore them even though you have tried. Or is that part of your fake news bit here? If you don't mention his stats does it means they never actually happened? Like the modus operandi of a certain President of the United States with orange hair? 😉 That Damon Allen was just this guy who fluked out 22 years in the CFL as a starter stumbling from team to team. He was just this flawed qb with lousy mechanics who managed to somehow throw for over 72,000 yards, had over 11,000 yards rushing & won 4 Grey Cups with 3 different teams. He was the Grey Cup MVP 3 times while being the league's all time leading passer for 12 seasons. To you, that's not elite but Allen was just lucky & overrated???

Okay, so what did Fred Childress, a LT ever do to piss you off?

You're point isn't proven at all. In fact your argument absolutely makes no sense.

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You know, maybe if a single player still living at home having just graduated & has no income coming in & would play for food & a roof over his head even in pandemic. But if a player is married at 26 or 27 with a couple of young kids they have financial comittments like all of us do. They all have jobs at that age as well as responsibilities. Why would they leave their jobs for a pay cut? If I was one of those guys, I'd never play. Not for the money the CFL has offered.

Not really. Zach Collaros played extremely well on that Grey Cup run. He deserves as much credit for that GC win as does Chris Streveler. Put Streveler as the starter with the Bombers & we're 7-11 at best & 5-12 at worst. Put Glenn as the starter & we're 13-5 or 11-7 at worst but not necessarily champs without Streveler. He's at his best in at key situations when the offense has bogged down. Or we need a spark to get going & then he's money. Not money as a starter, though He doesn't have it as the starter. Streveler's strength was coming off the bench on short yardage or goal line, throw a few passes & terrorize the defense for a couple of series with his running ability. Enough to change the momentum of a game. In other words, a situational qb. But he's not a starting qb. I don't think he ever will be. We'll see how he is used in Arizona.

Maybe...

I know & I don't disagree. But getting back to Damon Allen how can anyone say he wasn't elite when he won 3 Grey Cups with 3 different teams & was the CFL's leading passer with over 72,000 yards for 11 years? Saying the only reason he got those stats is because he played a long time is totally inaccurate. He got those numbers because he was a damned good qb. He wouldn't have played that long for all of his head coaches if he didn't have talent. Allen wasn't fiery. He didn't wear his emotions on his sleeve like Matt Dunigan. He wasn't a screamer or a yeller. He was a quiet leader who let his play on the field do the talking. He had so much talent & smarts that the game was easy to him. To some fans it looked like he was disinterested at times but that was just his personality. Like I said, I'd take Damon Allen over Anthony Calvillo as my stating qb ten times out of 10.

I have no idea what your point is. Do you actually think Westwood is Top 5?

Lapo problems.

Three Grey Cups with 3 different teams. CFL's leading passer for 11 years. Shrinking violets don't play 20 seasons if they're **** assed scared. Lol. I get you & Relleon don't like the guy & that's fine but your absolute hatred makes no sense. I think he was a better qb than Anthony Calvillo. Ask yourself this question. Could Calvillo have won a Grey Cup with 3 different teams? My answer is no. Not a CHANCE.

Esks 1975's talking about 17to85's argument about longevity. Glenn was never dominant. He was a journeyman who'd never elevate his teammates. Allen was & could. Stegall was a dominant player. Right up there with the best with players like Pitts. Maybe even GOAT.

Not always. You wouldn't put your body on the line or be away from your young family for such little money. Most of these guys have jobs in the US. They can't afford to sit around doing nothing for 6 months of the year.