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Craphonzo Costanza Crapinga Foley.
And wasn't his middle name Costanza?Well, if at one point, the Crapingas met the Thorpes, voila...
Craphonzo Crapinga.
Lived in a van down by the river
lol
The cost to keep this guy in pants may blow the budget
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And wasn't his middle name Costanza?Well, if at one point, the Crapingas met the Thorpes, voila...
Craphonzo Crapinga.
Lived in a van down by the river
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Blaming Eakins for the crap ED is is kinda like a guy slapping lipstick on a pig then blaming that guy cuz its still a pig.
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It is not the debate that is the issue, it is the vitriol and sanctimoniousness that too often creeps into the debate. Once people start speaking for God, we're into the cesspool.
Tolerance as long as we all agree and don't debate right?What I find heartening is that this discussion is taking place openly here without God, the Bible, "unnatural desires" and so forth being dragged into the exchanges. Twenty years ago, an open discussion such as this would not have been possible. It is slow progress to be sure, but it is progress nontheless, and all here should be complimented on the mature level of discourse.
Thanks for proving my point.
some people still think homosexuality is wrong, based on their religious beliefs. Welcome to planet earth. You can't kill debate just because you don't agree with someone's opinion.
the great thing about our society is debate is still allowed......sort of. Lol.
Some people still think black people are lesser humans than white people. Some people think women are second-class compared to men.
Just because a certain part of the public holds an opinion, doesn't mean "tolerance" is required -- especially if that opinion specifically includes hate and intolerance.
Yes, all those people absolutely have the right to think and believe what they do, but that doesn't mean debate is the best choice in all cases.
As for Michael Sam, I assume the Als have done their homework and worked him out, especially if they're offering him $125k per year right off the hop. If that's not the case, then they're setting a terrible precedent. Best of luck to him and them, though!
If anyone holds a diff belief then you ..... tolerance is required at all times. Tolerance to someone can not ever be debated because its their right and freedom to do so.
You may choose to disagree but you can never say they are wrong. you can never say you are right.
The day you choose to say your right and everyone that dont agree is wrong is the day you become no better then ISIS.
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Actually, I think Andrej Meszaros would be a good fit if he came cheap enough for 3 or 4 years. It would sure help our left side of the D.
We trade Buff and Stu and the 1st we got from the Sabres to Deadmonton for Hall and our left side is set for a couple years with Ehlers coming up and our D gets a pretty good, experienced guy to play with one of our RH D-men. Hall's play in the world hockey probably pushed his price up though. He'd look good on Scheifele's line. Re-unite the Little-Ladd-Wheeler line and play Scheifele with Hall and ??? Armia? Staf?
Thats to much for Hall
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OVI isn't a selfish player at all, That's crazy, the guy is all class. The rest of that russian team outside of ovi,malkin,tikhonov and kulikov tho are all pieces of garbage.
Why did he go over? because he's a proud russian who enjoys representing his country, I'd do it too every chance i could if i was a hockey player of any nationality.
Anyone here ever have the chance to wear the maple leaf for example on your jersey? I haven't but... damn that would be one hell of a moment for sure. Representing your country is huge, Every athlete that can do it should do it as much as they can.
Why did he go over? Because like it or not, he's one of the best hockey players in the world. People can debate that all they want but reality truly is, he's one of if not the best Russian hockey player in history.
I have no real issue with Ovi at all. Just think that sometimes players in this situation dont really need to rush over and take a spot on a team that was doing pretty well without him. Even the comintaters were sayin the PP got all screwed up because they had 3 guys all trying to get to the same place.
Might have been better if he just flew over to support the team rather then tiring to maybe be the hero.
Im sure all these guys love their countrys and want to play for them any time they can but that being said sometimes they might help more by not playing.
I know Ovie loves playing for Russia and i respect that. Just think it was the wrong situation this time.
Pretty sure it was Ovie that once said that even if the NHL wouldnt let the players play for their countrys in the Olympics hed go anyway.
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Russian Ice Hockey Federation will be punished b/c the team left the ice before the Canadian anthem. Full credit to Ovechkin, who was apparently trying to make his teammates stay.
Thats crazy i never seen that.
I agree... good on Ovie.
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Helle had the best numbers in the tourney. He is ready now. Canada wins huge. Dominating performance really
Why did Ovie bother coming over for two games? He looked totally bagged today.
Selfish players have hurt them for years.
Its hurt us at times also.
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Hellebuyck sure looks good. Pretty calm for a guy his age in these games
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Maurice is pretty good with figuring out where to put guys it seems. He also seems to be aware of the players skill set and confidence. When listening to his interviews he pays attention to when he feels he can push the young guys and when he needs to hold back a bit.
IMO Ehlers has the skill to make it and i have zero doubt hes on the big team.
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I find it interesting though that the headline is White Cop Kicks Black Suspect. Why dont they print their hometowns, religious affiliations and shoe size? There was nothing in the video that indicated the ethnicity of either person had anything to do with the incident. It was a suspect refusing to comply with verbal commands and a cop choosing to assault him rather than use his training to secure the suspect.
America is a messed up place. Its all fake.
Zero idea how to keep control or lead their own........ Yet have the balls to run about the world telling others how to live.
Its a complete joke IMO.
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Ehlers, Morrissey Copp make the big team.
I think once Copp is comphy as a center in the bigs Petan will be brought up as a wing.
Petan is a bit iffy for me because he can play both center and either wing. Hes got a skill set you want to have but we are kinda short on places.
IMO id rather have a bigger player like Copp take a center position and get comply in that roll and then bring up Petan to fill a wing roll. Then as Petan gets more use to the bigs start using him more.
Ehlers, Morrissey are more NHL ready. Both these guys are pure hockey players and have the skills to make the jump and be effective. Copp also.
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Exactly goalie. I just dont see how anyone can excuse the rioting, violence and looting. It's not "protesting". You can't use the "well the cops started it" as an excuse, that's ludicrous.
Earth, I add in real world experience because I want you to apply your position to the real world. You seem to think the cop shooting the suspect is wrong but the violent riots are okay because it was the cops fault to begin with. And if that position is the truth then it applies on a personal level too. If you were a small business owner that was being vandalised and looted, would you still think it was justified? How about if you or your family needed medical attention but EMS didnt respond because they had been attacked previously? What if you were attacked, would you call the racists murderous cops or the violent looters?
The police are the police. Period.
No one is arguing the cops dont have issues. I've used my personal example to show they do, even here. If anyone should be anti-cop, its me. But Im pro-logic and common sense.
Also, until the cop is found guilty of murder, we really cant call him a cold-blooded murderer. You really expose your bias with that because I dont know anyone else that would refer to it like that. Even if someone thinks it was "murder", it certainly wasn't cold blooded. Or was the cop trying to kill the suspect when he pulled him over (justifiably)? Was he trying to kill him when he had a perfectly professional conversation with him? Was he trying to kill him when the suspect took off running because he had outstanding warrants and wanted to evade lawful capture? Was he trying to kill him when he chased the suspect down and tried to arrest him? Was he trying to kill him when he, in a split second made the decision to reach for his non-lethal weapon?
The cop was wrong to shoot the fleeing suspect. But I guarantee you the headlines would be a lot different if the cop had not fired, the suspect had fled and committed a violent crime against someone else as a result. He was unlikely to do so, but in that moment, the cop didnt know that. All he knew was, he had a violent suspect who was evading arrest.
On the Baltimore front, one of the charged officers is demanding the DA release the weapon they found on the suspect. The DA is saying the weapon was not illegal and thus the arrest was improper. The charged cops say the weapon was, in fact, illegal. What I find interesting is, if cops everywhere stopped arresting people for borderline (or less) reasons, the courts would be a lot less busy. In Manitoba, cops charge people all the time when they shouldnt. One of the reasons so many charges are dropped by the crown early in the process.
OK... Ill have to answer in parts... As for my own life, I grew up with and around bikers. As i got older and watch things around me i decided to get myself out... get a normal job and life. Trust me it wasent easy but i eventually did it. So as for me i spent a lot of my life hating cops then it kinda turned and i found myself hating bikers. Now that im older and my life is different i find i dont really hate anyone. I see both side really clear and understand them both. Ive been used and abused by cops at one time then by bikers.
So now when i look at these situations i stand back and look at it from both sides without blinders or bias to anything.
One of the most important things ive learned from all this is when there is an action there is no doubt going to be a reaction. Good bad or otherwise the one thing you can always count on is the reaction to any action.
Now back to these cases and the protesters and the moron rioters..... I at no time ever said the looting at riots were ok and used the cops started it as an excuse. I simple said it was a reaction to an action from the cops. We cant sit back and say they had no idea there would be protesters and rioters.... It goes hand n hand with these things. Its happened before and will happen again. It would be extremely naive to think looting and riots would not happen.
As for race .... i took that out of these 2 situations because both black n white cops were involved in both. I dont really think either case would be different if the guys were white. What im more pinning this on is this silly brotherhood nonsense the cops seem to have. IMO its crappy cops doing a crappy job and covering each other. I look at it this way..... I have loyalty to my coworkers and im in no way shape or form a rat.... but i wouldnt let any coworker of mine do a crappy job or half assed job if its going to effect me or my job or my position. I will help a coworker but i will not ever cover up their crap work if its going to effect me. And that is what i expect from the cops.
As for me owning a biz thats looted and raised to the ground or the other examples you gave me and what would i do?
Well like i said.... id step back and have a look to why this happened. Sure the idiot rioters caused it but why? Did i do something? Are they just idiots? Did it happen to other biz around me? If i look at this case then id be blaming the cops for allowing this from the get go. Their action or actions caused this reaction. These idiots didnt just up and start looting for no reason.... they feel they were reacting to a situation that was started by the cops. Right or wrong. Sure they are morons for they way they acted But in the big picture i look to the cops to keep the peace and not start or be the cause of protests and with the looting and violence that always seems to come with it.
Truth be told.... At this time in my life if it was a biz of mine that was being threatened by idiot looters and riots. Id call my biker friends to surround my biz and not allow it to be touched. If a family member needed medical attention during a riot and looting id also call my biker friends.
My reason for this is simple.... My biker friends are not handcuffed by any law. They will do what needs done.
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Okay seriously...several officers in serious condition, many more hurt, property damage, looting (hurting the community) and you say they asked for it? So if you and your buddies are enjoying a night out and your buddy gets into a fight and it's 100% his fault, then you accept that a bunch of people can attack and seriously injure you? That is not even remotely reasonable.
if someone I know is killed, is it reasonable for me to get 100 friends and go on a rampage? No. You're being dragged into the racial bias that the media is spinning.
Did you know that the rioting didnt begin because anyone was protesting the shooting in the first place? It was teenagers from a high school that started a rumour of a night of "purging" (like the movie). The police became aware of it and attended the scene (a mall) and were over-run by the sheer numbers of students involved. Then suddenly it spread and became a "protest". It was started by people wanting to act like criminals and spread to people wanting to act like criminals. It had nothing to do with protests or justice.
Im all for peaceful protests for a cause in a reasonable fashion (not, for example, 12 people blocking portage avenue and yelling racist remarks at passing motorists). But this wasnt that. We have a justice system. is it perfect? Ofcourse not. But the cop acted inappropriately and was charged. That's the justice system doing it's job properly.
So to answer your first question, yes if the cop had shown restraint, likely none of it would have happened. That's the one action the cop took that was wrong. The suspect took several actions that were wrong but we're not supposed to talk about that. But you've stated that had the cop shot the suspect during the altercation you would have considered that reasonable. Then do you feel that when the cops were under violent attack by rioters, that it would have been reasonable and just for them to open fire to defend themselves and the community?
Im not being dragged into anything.
Your the one that always seems to add in your own lil facts here n there and make it about you or me and now our buddys and all that.
Simply step away from that and just look at the situation and the facts of it.
I dont agree with the looting and craziness but has it happened during everyone of these protests? ... Yup it sure has. In every city this stuff has gone on the nut bars come out n wreck crap.
What i am being dragged into and dont accept is COPS MURDERING citizens in cold blood for no reason other then they think they are above the law. It has nothing to do with me or you or our friends...... First guy that ran... Cop shoots him 5 times in the back.... Its Murder.
6 cops all help kill an unarmed guy for no reason at all other then they are ****** bag cops that thought theyd have a bit of fun. They caused their fellow cops to be hurt and abused by the people because of their actions.
If these 6 cops acted reasonable and did their jobs correct then there would be no reaction from the people... is that not correct?
This the way i look at all these situations..... Cops are trained to prevent situations... I even believe some places have it in writing right on their cars. Cops need to be looked at as trained to handle all kinds of situations... prevent them or react to them.
All cops in Baltimore put themselves in situations they did neither.... They didnt prevent Freddie from being killed and they couldnt react when people had euff and acted out because of it.
If you want to call all them people stupid and scum or whatever thats fine.... but think about it. Dont you hold cops to a higher standard when it comes to these things? You expect a bunch of kids in high school to act more appropriate and reasonable then cops? They are kids... they do stupid things... its what they do. They should be charged for their actions. I felt bad for them cops just having to stand there and take it. But eh they started it. They can see people all over the country have had enuff.
What needs to happen is the cops need to start policing eachother and make sure they are all doing their jobs in the correct manner and stop going off thinking they are dirty harry.
Cops keep poking the dog..... that dogs getting closer to biting back and it will get a whole lot worse.
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That's not at all what I believe. Not remotely. Never said such a thing.
You never said if you run you should expect to be shot?
I think if you engage the police in any sort of physical altercation and evade you should consider that an option. Which is a far cry from me saying a person deserves to be shot for running. If you dont like that, take it up with law-makers. Police have the right (some would say duty) to fire on an evading suspect under certain circumstances.
I've repeatedly stated in this case that the officer was wrong to shoot. I've merely presented the other side of it which is the fact this was not what the media painted it as in the immediate aftermath. And that there are complications to the case.
Now look at Baltimore where criminals hide behind the guise of protesting to commit their criminal acts while the police are forced to withdraw and let them go wild. I do hope that the people arrested are prosecuted to the full extent and not given soft punishment due to the circumstances. What a shameful display but the citizenry and where are the leaders of the black community demanding they stop this? You see celebrities trying but they often get painted with nasty remarks for being "successful." And again, much like the origional case, there was no need for the violence and fake protesting as the police were charged following an investigation.
There's another case right now (location escapes me) where a black suspect was arrested quite violently, caught on camera by the police. The cops took him down hard and punched him several times. A station camera then caught the officers cleaning themselves up and joking about the take down. Those cops will be consequenced too, no doubt.
AAs for this.... Well this remarkable restraint as you called it before was done in the first place none of this would have happened... Do you agree?
So saying these cops had to withdrawal and allow people to go wild is a bit nuts IMO. They asked for this by acting like morons in the first place. Dont go killing unarmed citizens in the first place and this wouldnt happen.
I hope all these cops in all these cases are charged to the extent of the law and found quilty so the rest of the douchbag cops start doing there job correct and stop thinking they are above the law.
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That's not at all what I believe. Not remotely. Never said such a thing.
You never said if you run you should expect to be shot?
I think if you engage the police in any sort of physical altercation and evade you should consider that an option. Which is a far cry from me saying a person deserves to be shot for running. If you dont like that, take it up with law-makers. Police have the right (some would say duty) to fire on an evading suspect under certain circumstances.
I've repeatedly stated in this case that the officer was wrong to shoot. I've merely presented the other side of it which is the fact this was not what the media painted it as in the immediate aftermath. And that there are complications to the case.
Now look at Baltimore where criminals hide behind the guise of protesting to commit their criminal acts while the police are forced to withdraw and let them go wild. I do hope that the people arrested are prosecuted to the full extent and not given soft punishment due to the circumstances. What a shameful display but the citizenry and where are the leaders of the black community demanding they stop this? You see celebrities trying but they often get painted with nasty remarks for being "successful." And again, much like the origional case, there was no need for the violence and fake protesting as the police were charged following an investigation.
There's another case right now (location escapes me) where a black suspect was arrested quite violently, caught on camera by the police. The cops took him down hard and punched him several times. A station camera then caught the officers cleaning themselves up and joking about the take down. Those cops will be consequenced too, no doubt.
Well you might consider it but it would be murder.
Few things i found out.... If a guy robs a bank at gun point get out and runs..... Cops CANNOT shoot him unless he points the weapon at a cops or persons or has shot someone in the bank.
If a guy gets into a fist fight with a cop and gets away and runs and is unarmed ..... Cops CANNOT shoot him..... Even if the guy is armed cops CANNOT shoot him unless hes pointing the weapon.
The only way from my understanding from what i have found in any laws about cops shooting is if the person has to committed some violent act like murder. And even that all options must be exercised first and only then may a cop use deadly force.
All in all from everything ive been reading someone pretty much needs to be in grave danger of being killed before deadly force my be used by any cop.
If you can find anything anywhere that it says a guy can be shot for fighting and running from a cop id love to see it.
Like i said before... look at England... cops dont even have guns.
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Oops about Trouba, fixed.
We would make the trade for a sniper on LW with a contract (6m per) that expires 20-21. Someone to play with Scheif and Staff? plus PP time.
It leaves us with Pardy?, Postma, and Harrison, too.
It would give us great depth down the LW.
They would make the trade because they need help on D and it IS a 1st rounder.
I don't think we re-sign Fro...he'll get paid more than Chevy will offer...too bad, I like him. I would have traded him before the trade deadline.
I wouldn't give Staf too much but would like to see him re-sign....don't think it will happen though.
I could see Tlusty re-signing with the Canes.
I think Stemp re-signs.
I dont see any reason why we would do any of this.
I dont know if we sign fro. I think the need for him was more important to us at the beginning of the year. I think we may have guys in our system that can take his role at a less of a hit.
Stafford will sign here.... Thats a great thing. We can and will afford to sign him... Hes like having another Wheeler in your line up.
Tlusty? If we sign him it will be as a 4th liner. Maurice likes him so im not sure where this goes. Solid player IMO .. Not to concerned either way.
Stemp will sign. He likes it and he fits our mold.
I think guys like Stemp and Stafford stay because of the environment within the team. Staff has been thru the chaos in Buff and Stemp has been thru the UFA gig.
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Bears make sense. Still think it's air force related tho.
Have to disagree on the air force thing. That would be a whole lotta air force stuff.
I think they may keep it the Moose to kinda bring everything back home.
Manitoba Moose.... But in Jets colors.
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ok, so I went to the Rockets-Winterhawks game last night. My impressions:
It wasn't a very high scoring game, as the Rockets won 2-1 in OT. Petan scored with 3 minutes left to tie it up and send it to OT.
Petan sure looks small out there, but he sure is a leader. He has amazing hockey sense, he seems to always be where the puck ends up. Is he too small to play in the NHL? When I look at Anaheim, I think "maybe". He should have a long career in hockey, even if it ends up being in Europe. Chase De Leo didn't impress me at all. Seems to be the same size as Petan, or only slightly bigger. Petan was a threat to score on almost every shift, while DeLeo was invisible. Not sure what the Jets scouts saw in him, other than he seems to be a good skater? Bittner is big, like HUGE, and he can skate, though he didn't do much last night. I would draft him, he has the size I think to develop into an NHL'er, third or fourth line.
Morrissey - wow oh wow. He's going to be a good one. Just so smooth out there. Reminded me of Bourque, Niedermeyer and Coffey, when he would just take the puck and smoothly just move up the ice before landing a beauty pass on a forward's stick or going in for the shot himself. I am hoping we see him in a Jets jersey for a long long time.
Only other comment - if Nick Merkley of the Rockets is still available at our first round pick, I'd take him over Bittner. If we could get both of them with our two first round picks, I would be happy. Merkley is so strong with the puck. Well worth taking a chance on him.
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Forgot to add - Winnipeg's own Madison Bowey hit a Winterhawk so hard that he put him ass over tea kettle into the space between the benches. That guy is going to be a good one too.
IMO with Petan ya he is small but as you say hes a leader and has really good hockey sense about him. He could use this all as an advantage to him with our team. Lil quick dude that has a sense where to be with an awesome shot and improve our scoring.
Ehlers is somewhat the same... not a banger but a quicker guy that has huge hockey sense and knows where to be and can put it away.
Morrissey Ya that guys got skills. Trouba, Myers and Morrissey on our D is going to be huge.
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That's not at all what I believe. Not remotely. Never said such a thing.
You never said if you run you should expect to be shot?
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Sorry Earth. I just don't subscribe to the idea that it's okay to be violent criminals because someone else started it. The fact an investigation was done and the police charged should make the violent "protesters" feel awful. But they aren't really protesters anyway.
In a way you do tho.
You have no prob with the cops painting everyone with the same brush. If he runs he must be bad so shoot him. Thats nuts IMO.
You have said you think its ok for cops to just start shooting anyone that runs. Thats not right IMO. Cops aret there to kill bad guys... They are there to apprehend the bad guys for the justice system to work in the manner its set up for.
Like the saying goes... Crap rolls down hill. Cops need to earn respect. If they just go off painting everyone the same then things will get ugly.
I dont agree with these idiots looting and being complete arseholes either but its whats going to happen and everyone knows it.
Cops seem to want to be judge, jury and executioner and if that continues things will become worse.
Ill ask you this..... Why do you think this goes on far far more in America then any other free country?
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It should also be noted that according to the Maryland prosecutor, Gray was falsely arrested -- the cops picked him up for illegal possession of a knife, but the knife he was carrying was legal.
The cops did not have a justification to put him in the van. He was basically kidnapped and killed.
From my understanding the knife wasent found until he was chased down.
What i heard on CNN is he made eye contact with police and he ran. They chased him and the **** show begins.
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I think the police showed remarkable restraint. You see literally thousands of people breaking the law, acting violent, robbing and destroying property and you do very little because you want to defuse the situation. Remarkable restraint. In the hundreds of arrests made, I havent seen (which is not to say it hasnt happened) anyone accusing the police of acting improperly aside from the "live kidnapping idiocy" mentioned in a previous post of mine.
Americans are gun crazy. The police have to have bigger weapons because the criminals do. Its a terrible cycle. I think the average American would be fine with fun control but the gun lobby is so vast and powerful, its a difficult proposition. When the lobby begins citing the constitution, Americans say "oh yeah, the constitution, well if it's in there then we should keep it". Would love to see an equally powerful challenge of the "right to bear arms". I think common sense tells us this was not what the founding fathers had in mind.
To bad they didnt show that remarkable restraint before they killed Freddie Gray.
You're right. But that's bo Defense for what the "protesters" have done. The cops were duly investigated and charged.
Of course its a great defense for it.
Would be no protesters if they showed restraint in the first place.
Cops cant just be going off killing people.
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