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    One addition I'd like to see is cameras installed in the flightdeck (maybe the cabin as well) that feed into the recorders. Surely in this day and age they can do that.  Its one thing to hear whats going on, but seeing it would help as well and leave no question as to what the pilots are doing.

     

    That will never happen... pilots wont go for it and really when you think of it ... it wouldnt help anything in this case.

     

    Would you agree to have a camera watching you work?

     

    Sure, why not.  I have cameras in my work place.  My management has the right to access my computer at any time and see exactly what I see, hears what I hear.  This isnt a big issue.  The union would bargain for cameras to be used in the same sense the voice recorder's are used - incidents.  Every word they say is recorded and there are processes for when they can speak and what they can say and Im sure pilots violate that from time to time but airlines arent pulling the voice recorders to use to discipline them.  If they valued cameras, it would not be a big issue to get them.

     

    I think it would help.  For one it fills in blanks.  It gives you the opportunity to see the faces and expressions of the pilots.  It can show what a pilot was physically doing and not just what the data recorder recorded he was doing.  It can show medical issues, sleeping, distractions etc.  I think it's valuable.

     

     

    Having access to your comp aint really the same thing IMO.

     

    You would be ok with them putting a camera on your desk pointed right at you so they can watch you any time they want? Record you and watch it whenever they want?

     

    And like i said a cockpit is a pretty small area... they could just cover it up if they wanted.... put a hat over it and its useless. 

     

    Thats not even close to what I wrote though is it?

     

    I dont do a job that requires a camera on me at my desk.  But one aspect of my job requires handling of large amounts of money and in that room there is a camera on me.  And it is monitored by security.

     

    I dont believe airlines can pull the voice recorders and listen to them anytime they want to to discipline the pilots.  This would be the same thing.  Cameras there for the safety of the crew and passengers to be reviewed in the event of an incident.  And if it was set up the same as the flight recorders, it couldnt even be used to review something that happened mid-flight since it only records the final 30 minutes.  it's designed to help investigators when there is a major crash.  Ask investigators if they'd love to be able to plug in to a lap top and immediately hear AND see what happened during the final moments of the plane.

     

    It's a no brainer, really.

     

     

    Well i asked if you would be ok with a camera focused on you all day at work and then you answered me about them having acsess to your comp and being able to see what you see.

     

    Im not arguing it with you im just saying what im hearing on CNN and pilots seem to say no.

     

    And like i said they could just cover it up. How do you stop that?

     

    You also mentioned airlines being able to see it at any time.  Im saying that's an easy solution since they cant access the voice recorder at any time as is.  Have the camera feeding the recorder.  Last 30-120 minutes of action and thats it.  Im sure there is some way in the security industry to make a camera resistant to being covered. 

     

     

    I guess.

     

    I just really dont see how it helps anything. Having a camera is not going to stop anything from happening or detour anyone from crashing a plane if thats what they are set out to do.

     

    If they are going to spend billions on something it should be on something better then that. IMO.

     

    My question would be this...  If this plane had a camera.... what would you learn from watching? They already know what the guy did, they dont know why he did it and he didnt talk. So what would a camera tell anyone?

     

    By that logic though, why do we have voice and data recorders?  They dont stop anyone from crashing a plane if they really want to.  But they do help tell us what happened and why.  A camera wouldnt just be valuable in cases of pilot action.  In cases of malfunction it can still show what the pilots were doing, how they reacted non-verbally to the situation and each other, body language, facial expressions.  This isnt a matter of "we never needed it before", its that technology didnt catch up.  Now there is no excuse.

     

     

    Voice and data show and tell everything already. Dont need to see the expression on his face when hes flipping a switch i wouldnt think.

     

    But eh maybe your right i dont know.....  I still say if a camera was there  it could just be covered up.

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    One addition I'd like to see is cameras installed in the flightdeck (maybe the cabin as well) that feed into the recorders. Surely in this day and age they can do that.  Its one thing to hear whats going on, but seeing it would help as well and leave no question as to what the pilots are doing.

     

    That will never happen... pilots wont go for it and really when you think of it ... it wouldnt help anything in this case.

     

    Would you agree to have a camera watching you work?

     

    Sure, why not.  I have cameras in my work place.  My management has the right to access my computer at any time and see exactly what I see, hears what I hear.  This isnt a big issue.  The union would bargain for cameras to be used in the same sense the voice recorder's are used - incidents.  Every word they say is recorded and there are processes for when they can speak and what they can say and Im sure pilots violate that from time to time but airlines arent pulling the voice recorders to use to discipline them.  If they valued cameras, it would not be a big issue to get them.

     

    I think it would help.  For one it fills in blanks.  It gives you the opportunity to see the faces and expressions of the pilots.  It can show what a pilot was physically doing and not just what the data recorder recorded he was doing.  It can show medical issues, sleeping, distractions etc.  I think it's valuable.

     

     

    Having access to your comp aint really the same thing IMO.

     

    You would be ok with them putting a camera on your desk pointed right at you so they can watch you any time they want? Record you and watch it whenever they want?

     

    And like i said a cockpit is a pretty small area... they could just cover it up if they wanted.... put a hat over it and its useless. 

     

    Thats not even close to what I wrote though is it?

     

    I dont do a job that requires a camera on me at my desk.  But one aspect of my job requires handling of large amounts of money and in that room there is a camera on me.  And it is monitored by security.

     

    I dont believe airlines can pull the voice recorders and listen to them anytime they want to to discipline the pilots.  This would be the same thing.  Cameras there for the safety of the crew and passengers to be reviewed in the event of an incident.  And if it was set up the same as the flight recorders, it couldnt even be used to review something that happened mid-flight since it only records the final 30 minutes.  it's designed to help investigators when there is a major crash.  Ask investigators if they'd love to be able to plug in to a lap top and immediately hear AND see what happened during the final moments of the plane.

     

    It's a no brainer, really.

     

     

    Well i asked if you would be ok with a camera focused on you all day at work and then you answered me about them having acsess to your comp and being able to see what you see.

     

    Im not arguing it with you im just saying what im hearing on CNN and pilots seem to say no.

     

    And like i said they could just cover it up. How do you stop that?

     

    You also mentioned airlines being able to see it at any time.  Im saying that's an easy solution since they cant access the voice recorder at any time as is.  Have the camera feeding the recorder.  Last 30-120 minutes of action and thats it.  Im sure there is some way in the security industry to make a camera resistant to being covered. 

     

     

    I guess.

     

    I just really dont see how it helps anything. Having a camera is not going to stop anything from happening or detour anyone from crashing a plane if thats what they are set out to do.

     

    If they are going to spend billions on something it should be on something better then that. IMO.

     

    My question would be this...  If this plane had a camera.... what would you learn from watching? They already know what the guy did, they dont know why he did it and he didnt talk. So what would a camera tell anyone?

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    One addition I'd like to see is cameras installed in the flightdeck (maybe the cabin as well) that feed into the recorders. Surely in this day and age they can do that.  Its one thing to hear whats going on, but seeing it would help as well and leave no question as to what the pilots are doing.

     

    That will never happen... pilots wont go for it and really when you think of it ... it wouldnt help anything in this case.

     

    Would you agree to have a camera watching you work?

     

    Sure, why not.  I have cameras in my work place.  My management has the right to access my computer at any time and see exactly what I see, hears what I hear.  This isnt a big issue.  The union would bargain for cameras to be used in the same sense the voice recorder's are used - incidents.  Every word they say is recorded and there are processes for when they can speak and what they can say and Im sure pilots violate that from time to time but airlines arent pulling the voice recorders to use to discipline them.  If they valued cameras, it would not be a big issue to get them.

     

    I think it would help.  For one it fills in blanks.  It gives you the opportunity to see the faces and expressions of the pilots.  It can show what a pilot was physically doing and not just what the data recorder recorded he was doing.  It can show medical issues, sleeping, distractions etc.  I think it's valuable.

     

     

    Having access to your comp aint really the same thing IMO.

     

    You would be ok with them putting a camera on your desk pointed right at you so they can watch you any time they want? Record you and watch it whenever they want?

     

    And like i said a cockpit is a pretty small area... they could just cover it up if they wanted.... put a hat over it and its useless. 

     

    Thats not even close to what I wrote though is it?

     

    I dont do a job that requires a camera on me at my desk.  But one aspect of my job requires handling of large amounts of money and in that room there is a camera on me.  And it is monitored by security.

     

    I dont believe airlines can pull the voice recorders and listen to them anytime they want to to discipline the pilots.  This would be the same thing.  Cameras there for the safety of the crew and passengers to be reviewed in the event of an incident.  And if it was set up the same as the flight recorders, it couldnt even be used to review something that happened mid-flight since it only records the final 30 minutes.  it's designed to help investigators when there is a major crash.  Ask investigators if they'd love to be able to plug in to a lap top and immediately hear AND see what happened during the final moments of the plane.

     

    It's a no brainer, really.

     

     

    Well i asked if you would be ok with a camera focused on you all day at work and then you answered me about them having acsess to your comp and being able to see what you see.

     

    Im not arguing it with you im just saying what im hearing on CNN and pilots seem to say no.

     

    And like i said they could just cover it up. How do you stop that?

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    One addition I'd like to see is cameras installed in the flightdeck (maybe the cabin as well) that feed into the recorders. Surely in this day and age they can do that.  Its one thing to hear whats going on, but seeing it would help as well and leave no question as to what the pilots are doing.

     

    That will never happen... pilots wont go for it and really when you think of it ... it wouldnt help anything in this case.

     

    Would you agree to have a camera watching you work?

     

    Sure, why not.  I have cameras in my work place.  My management has the right to access my computer at any time and see exactly what I see, hears what I hear.  This isnt a big issue.  The union would bargain for cameras to be used in the same sense the voice recorder's are used - incidents.  Every word they say is recorded and there are processes for when they can speak and what they can say and Im sure pilots violate that from time to time but airlines arent pulling the voice recorders to use to discipline them.  If they valued cameras, it would not be a big issue to get them.

     

    I think it would help.  For one it fills in blanks.  It gives you the opportunity to see the faces and expressions of the pilots.  It can show what a pilot was physically doing and not just what the data recorder recorded he was doing.  It can show medical issues, sleeping, distractions etc.  I think it's valuable.

     

     

    Having access to your comp aint really the same thing IMO.

     

    You would be ok with them putting a camera on your desk pointed right at you so they can watch you any time they want? Record you and watch it whenever they want?

     

    And like i said a cockpit is a pretty small area... they could just cover it up if they wanted.... put a hat over it and its useless. 

  5. Every pilot they have had on CNN has said no.  Im just going off that.

     

    IMO banks and retail arnt focused on the workers as much as for a robbery and this seems to be what pilots are saying. I dont think any of us work with a camera focused right on you.

     

    Another thing is a cockpit is more closed in then say a bank or in retail or say even an office....  they could just cover it up id think.

  6. One addition I'd like to see is cameras installed in the flightdeck (maybe the cabin as well) that feed into the recorders. Surely in this day and age they can do that.  Its one thing to hear whats going on, but seeing it would help as well and leave no question as to what the pilots are doing.

     

    That will never happen... pilots wont go for it and really when you think of it ... it wouldnt help anything in this case.

     

    Would you agree to have a camera watching you work?

  7. Copp just signed a 3 year 2 way ELC

     

    Good news.

     

    The Winnipeg Jets are pleased to announce they have agreed to terms with forward Andrew Copp on a three-year, two-way, entry level contract with an average annual value of $958,300. Copp will now report directly to the Winnipeg Jets.

    Copp, 20, recently completed his junior season with the University of Michigan Wolverines. The Ann Arbor, MI native has ended his college career with 81 points (40G, 41A) in 107 games over three seasons with the Wolverines. Copp was named Michigan’s team captain for the 2014-15 season. For his performance leading the Wolverines this season, he was recognized by the NCAA and earned All-Big Ten second team honours. He previously led the University of Michigan in goals (15) during his sophomore year in 2013-14. That same season, he represented the USA at the 2014 World Junior Chamipionships where he recorded five assists in five games.

    Copp was drafted by the Winnipeg Jets in the fourth round, 104th overall, in the 2013 NHL Draft.

    Andrew Copp

    Centre
    Born Jul 8 1994 -- Ann Arbor, MI
    Height 6.02 -- Weight 210 -- Shoots L
    Selected by Winnipeg Jets round 4 #104 overall 2013 NHL Entry Draft

  8. EgyptAir Flight 990 had this happen.  Both pilots were at the controls.  Captain commanding nose up and co-pilot commanding nose down causing a split elevator condition that downed the craft.  How does one prevent a pilot who's determined to crash a plane from doing so?

     

    Just a horrible development.

     

    I can't help but think of MH370 and one of the theories being an intentional act by a flight crew member.  It was considered a long shot because it's a rare thing but maybe not so much.

     

    What kind of coward takes out 149 other people with him?

     

    Could be pissed at the airline...  Or at Lufthansa

  9. You'll have to be more specific about blood on wall. I've read the OJ book three times and the blood evidence was overwhelming. His blood was there. It was dripped in a pattern matching the lost glove and the cut on his hand.

    Blood mixture of him and both victims were found in the Bronco. The limo driver rang the bell several times and no answer. Then he observed a black male tuning across he property and suddenly he answered and claimed he was sleeping. This also matches the thumps Kato heard where the glove was found

    Cops didn't plant anything. They would have had to know things about OJ and his movements that they couldn't know in order to set him up. To set someone up you have to know there is an opportunity to set him up. They couldn't possibly know.

    The only other theory I've heard that is even remotely possible was that it was his son. You can google that theory. But there was loads of evidence. The DA did a lousy job for sure. They thought the case was so air tight they dismissed witnesses that were possibly impeachable.

    Read Run Of His Life. He was a vile abuser of Nicole and the cops always protected him. He thought he was untouchable. He did it.

     

    Id have to do a bit of searching for the exact facts but in a nut shell and from my memory....

     

    There was blood samples taken off the wall on 2 different days or times.  The first set of samples had none of OJs at all....  but the next set it was all OJs and none of the others. The first sets also had mixed blood samples of Ron and Nicoles blood yet all the samples of OJs none were mixed with any other blood.

     

    The chances of that happening is very very odd and like 1 in a billion without some tampering id think. 

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    For any of you fellow lovers of True Crime, I just blasted through a book about the Jonbenet case.  I had been interested when it happened ofcourse but the recent news reignited my interest.  The book I was was by Steve Thomas, one of the lead detectives and a guy who caused a sensation when we actually quit police work over the case and in his letter of resignation explained his reasons (which was the stonewalling and protecting of the Ramsay's by the DA). 

     

    I have followed the OJ case very closely over the years and this case is similar but different.  Whereas OJ had overwhelming physical and DNA evidence that directly tied him to the murders, the Ramsay case has no such (or very little) evidence because of the botching of the crime scene.  But the mountain of circumstantial evidence points squarely at the parents, more specifically Patsy, to such an extent that it's really shocking that she was never charged.

     

    Recent news reveals that the Grand Jury in 1999 actually DID indict the parents but then DA Alex Hunter refused to sign.  The DA had made up their minds that they would never prosecute the Ramsays without a confession and have maintained that an intruder did it.  When you consider the facts, the intruder theory is preposterous.  There were only three people in the house that night that could have done it - mom, dad, brother.  And handwriting experts determined that the "war & peace" ransom note was written by Patsy.

     

    Anyway...I reccomend the book if you like True Crime and I'd love to discuss the case (or others, like OJ) with other True Crime lovers on here.

     

    Im in to this kinda stuff as well.

     

    I followed the OJ case more. As for the Ramsay case IMO the mother did it.

     

    In regards to OJ Simpson, the best book I read was called Run of His Life by Jeff Toobin (CNN Legal Analyst).  Really goes through it step by step.  In hindsight it's almost impossible to believe he got away with it especially when the defence was basically "there is so much evidence against OJ that it *had* to be a set up".

     

    OJ would have easily been compelled to confess too, I have little doubt.  It was the lawyers that pumped up his confidence.  If you watch the verdict, when they say not guilty, one of OJ's lawyers, Robert Kardashion is shocked. 

     

     

    I pretty much watched that whole trial... i had a bad back injury and was layed up.  LOL

     

    I watched that lawyer and commented on it right away... he was super shocked. I actually dont think he did it...  he had it done for sure but i doubt he did it himself.

     

    Ive never read that book but ill pick it up and check it out.

     

    There were so many screwed up things with that case and it showed what big money lawyers can do.

     

    One thing that has always stood out for me was the blood on the wall. The first set of samples were taken and none was OJs.... then the next set of samples they took it was all OJs. 

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    For any of you fellow lovers of True Crime, I just blasted through a book about the Jonbenet case.  I had been interested when it happened ofcourse but the recent news reignited my interest.  The book I was was by Steve Thomas, one of the lead detectives and a guy who caused a sensation when we actually quit police work over the case and in his letter of resignation explained his reasons (which was the stonewalling and protecting of the Ramsay's by the DA). 

     

    I have followed the OJ case very closely over the years and this case is similar but different.  Whereas OJ had overwhelming physical and DNA evidence that directly tied him to the murders, the Ramsay case has no such (or very little) evidence because of the botching of the crime scene.  But the mountain of circumstantial evidence points squarely at the parents, more specifically Patsy, to such an extent that it's really shocking that she was never charged.

     

    Recent news reveals that the Grand Jury in 1999 actually DID indict the parents but then DA Alex Hunter refused to sign.  The DA had made up their minds that they would never prosecute the Ramsays without a confession and have maintained that an intruder did it.  When you consider the facts, the intruder theory is preposterous.  There were only three people in the house that night that could have done it - mom, dad, brother.  And handwriting experts determined that the "war & peace" ransom note was written by Patsy.

     

    Anyway...I reccomend the book if you like True Crime and I'd love to discuss the case (or others, like OJ) with other True Crime lovers on here.

     

    Im in to this kinda stuff as well.

     

    I followed the OJ case more. As for the Ramsay case IMO the mother did it.

     

     

    The worst thing about the JonBenet case is, unless you really do your own digging, the misinformation that the DA's office released in their zealous efforts to protect the Ramsey's would make you think they were innocent.  People can get facts wrong in the heat of the moment.  But innocent people dont keep telling lies.  They told too many lies.  They stonewalled detectives too many times.  There was simply no motive or opportunity for an intruder to have committed the murder.

     

    The detectives theory was that Patsy flew into a rage over JonBenet's bedwetting.  Bed wetting can be a sign of abuse and there was signs or prior vaginal trauma.  However the detectives believe it wasnt sexual abuse but more corporal punishing when cleaning her up from the repeated bed wetting.  The night in question, they believe Patsy likely never went to bed as she claimed as she answered the door to the police in the morning wearing the same clothes and with perfect hair and make-up.  At some point, Jonbenet wet the bed.  Patsy changed her (the top Patsy originally claimed JonBenet went to bed in was found balled up in the upstairs bathroom though Patsy later changed her story).  In a fit of rage, Patsy smacked the child's head against something, maybe the tub, causing a massive head injury.

     

    They believe Patsy might have thought she was already dead and carried her down to the "wine cellar" which was a difficult to locate storage room in the sprawling basement which had a large door that was sealed with a latch at the top.  She then realised Jonbenet was still barely alive and grabbed a paint brush from her art kit which was nearby (and noone else would have known about) and fashioned a garotte and strangled the girl.  She cleaned the body, wrapped her, left her "favourite nightgown" (which by Patsy's own account she had not been wearing) near the body and set about staging it.  The tape over her mouth was added after death.  The ropes around her wrists were so loose that a conscious child could have removed them.  She then closed and latched the door (why would an intruder do this).

     

    She took her own note pad from a drawer and a sharpie from a can in the kitchen (why would a kidnapper not bring his own, how would he know where to find these items) and fashioned a ransom note that has to be read to be believed (called the War & Peace of ransom notes), asking for $118,000 which was a tiny sum for the Ramsey's who were worth hundreds of millions.  It was also the exact sum of a recent John Ramsey bonus (how would an intruder know this).  It included strange instructions.

     

    Patsy then placed the note (the second or third note she started) on the back stairs that she routinely used (how would an intruder know this) and pretended to find it and screamed.  John, who was now awake and in the third floor bathroom claims he ran down as she ran up and they met on the second floor where she gave him the note.  When no finger prints were found on the note, they changed their story that he ran down to the first floor where the note was layed out.  The only fingerprints found on the note pad were Patsy's and handwriting experts determined Patsy was most likely the author.

     

    Disregarding the notes orders to not call police or alert anyone or JonBenet would be "beheaded", John told Patsy to call 911.  One might ignore the order to call the police but the Ramsey's called several friends to come over too.  Friends they later pointed the finger at as potential "intruders".  The cops did a terrible job at this point.  The home was so sprawling that when a cop did a search of the basement, he saw the wine cellar, he opened it but it was pitch black so he closed it again without looking.  When he returned upstairs, Patsy was "eyeballing" him. 

     

    One cop was left at the home with several guests.  She lost sight of John who "disappeared" for several minutes and later admitted he had gone to the basement but "found nothing".  The cop later foolishly suggested John and his friend search the house for clues.  John bee-lined down to the basement and to the wine cellar where he opened it and immediately reacted to the body even though his friend claimed it was pitch black and nothing could be seen.  John carried JonBenet upstairs, oddly holding her up in out-stretched hands (she was stiff).  Both parents were allowed to lay with, cover, carress the body.

     

    John had been over-heard calling his pilot and ordering their plane on stand-by.  By the next day, Ramsey's had lawyers and PI's calling potential witnesses but never cooperated with the police.

     

    The detectives believe John was not a party to the murder but would have known Patsy wrote the note and likely found JonBenet when he mysteriously wandered off earlier in the morning.  When police didnt find the body, he made sure he did.

     

    Another interesting lie is that they always claimed the brother slept through the entire thing but enhancements of the 911 recording indicate Burke was with his parents at the time of the call and asked "what did you find".  Another interesting fact is, according to the Ramsey's Intruder Theory, JonBenet was abducted and killed over night, the morning of December 26th but when they erected her headstone they had the day of death engraved as December 25th, which would be correct according to the police theory.

     

    Very, very interesting case since due to crime scene issues, what little DNA was there cannot be trusted.  But the mountain of circumstantial evidence pointed squarely at Patsy.  She died a few years later of cancer.  No death bed confession it seems.

     

     

    Thsnks dude thats really interesting. 

  12. For any of you fellow lovers of True Crime, I just blasted through a book about the Jonbenet case.  I had been interested when it happened ofcourse but the recent news reignited my interest.  The book I was was by Steve Thomas, one of the lead detectives and a guy who caused a sensation when we actually quit police work over the case and in his letter of resignation explained his reasons (which was the stonewalling and protecting of the Ramsay's by the DA). 

     

    I have followed the OJ case very closely over the years and this case is similar but different.  Whereas OJ had overwhelming physical and DNA evidence that directly tied him to the murders, the Ramsay case has no such (or very little) evidence because of the botching of the crime scene.  But the mountain of circumstantial evidence points squarely at the parents, more specifically Patsy, to such an extent that it's really shocking that she was never charged.

     

    Recent news reveals that the Grand Jury in 1999 actually DID indict the parents but then DA Alex Hunter refused to sign.  The DA had made up their minds that they would never prosecute the Ramsays without a confession and have maintained that an intruder did it.  When you consider the facts, the intruder theory is preposterous.  There were only three people in the house that night that could have done it - mom, dad, brother.  And handwriting experts determined that the "war & peace" ransom note was written by Patsy.

     

    Anyway...I reccomend the book if you like True Crime and I'd love to discuss the case (or others, like OJ) with other True Crime lovers on here.

     

    Im in to this kinda stuff as well.

     

    I followed the OJ case more. As for the Ramsay case IMO the mother did it.

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    Lol. Lol. Lol. If you spent time reading what people wrote rather then dismissing the opinion of others you'd have answers to your question. It's not my job to hold your hand. Lol.

    Hold my hand? WTF?

    You just said that Buff is a luxury and not necessary. Is that not correct?

    Im not dismissing your opinion... I asked you a question about it. Is that not correct?

    If i was dismissing it then i wouldnt ask you to clarify it now would i?

    Lol

     

     

    Ouch

  14. Lol. Lol. Lol. If you spent time reading what people wrote rather then dismissing the opinion of others you'd have answers to your question. It's not my job to hold your hand. Lol.

     

    Hold my hand?  WTF?

     

    You just said that Buff is a luxury and not necessary.  Is that not correct?

     

    Im not dismissing your opinion...  I asked you a question about it.  Is that not correct?

     

    If i was dismissing it then i wouldnt ask you to clarify it now would i? 

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    Yes the team is better with him in the line up. Which does Not discount anyone's opinion that he's a luxury. Take a deep breath.

    LOL What do you mean hes a luxury?

    free or habitual indulgence in or enjoyment of comforts and pleasures in addition to those necessary for a reasonable standard of well-being:

    a life of luxury on the French Riviera.

     

     

    So your saying hes not necessary?  LOL 

  16.  

    Buff is an elite hockey player without any doubt. Is he an elite D man? Probably not but hes above average. Is he an elite forward? Probably not but hes above average.

     

    Can he play forward or D without missing a beat? Id say yes.

     

    IMO hes an elite hockey player. 

     

    I think the word you are trying to use is versatile....

     

    He has the intangibles such as Frolik which makes him a solid asset to have.

     

     

     

    Huh?

  17. I didn't say he was stuoid for putting value on liking where he plays. In fact I metioned that specific point. But he'd be crazy to give up a significant amount of money at this stage of his career.

     

     

    Whats a significant amount tho? 2mil? 5mil? Over how many years?

    We are aways from this anyway... We have no idea if a team will throw huge cash at Buff.

     

    Would you say hes crazy if he just wanted a 3 year deal for say 20mil so hes set and his familys set and he can retire and they can all live in a log cabin on some lake so he can relax and fish for the rest of his days?

     

    Its fun to guesss but we really have no idea.

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    Buff is one piece of this team's plans. Pay the man...for a short term. Winnipeg loves the guy. Let's see if the meeling is mutual.

    Great point.

    Terrible ooint. Hey Buff do you want a 7 year deal for $56 million or a three year deal for $18? If you don't take the lesser deal it's because you hate winnipeg.

    There's something to be said for being close to home and liking where you are but this is his last chance to cash in and make generational money. He might put a value on liking where he plays bits flat out stupid if that value is more than a few bucks.

     

    I'm sorry, was that the point that was made? No, the point was, at least for me, was wondering how much Dustin likes playing here (without your type of judgement), nothing more nothing less.  

    Also, suggesting Dustin is stupid if he gives up significant money to play in an environment he likes fascinates me. You casting judgment on things like this doesn't sound very open minded. Historically, some professional athletes, in a variety of sports, have factored in other things than money when making key decisions about their future.

     

     

    I agree... im pretty sure non of us know what Buffs thinking. He sure dont seem like the kind of guy thats going to put money above all else.

  19. I think i see Buff more as a luxury than a necessity. I mean, it would be nice to have him but, if you look at the team and how they are building it, they are building it through youth, draft and develop really, just signed another guy today in jimmy lodge, RW, can score, will look good on the moosecaps next season, but regardless of that, if you look at how they are building the team.. It's through youth, people talk about you build through your centers and D, YUP you sure do.. Scheif,Lowry (2 young centers), Myers,Trouba (2 young d men) Throw in guys like Morrissey who will make people realize that Chiarot is nothing more than a bottom pair d man, throw in a vet like toby and you got yourself a solid top 4 without buff, Heck, even right now this team is winning without buff, They have looked amazing the last 3 games without buff, you don't need buff to win. Buff is a luxury, he's not a necessity and reality might just be that when this young team (oh yeah, they are very young) is actually ready to compete for real, not just take a wild card spot but to legit compete and contend year in year out, guys like Buff,Ladd even, they probably won't be here to see that. This team isn't being built around Ladd and Buff, they are being built around the scheifs,lowrys,troubas,myers, the young guys, i could throw in ehlers, morrissey, petan, guys like that. 

     

    I guess the hockey news there ran a story about how the winnipeg jets will be stanley cup champs in 2019, nice story but thats what 4 years away? Buff will be almost 35, really think he's the guy they are going to keep over the young guys like myers and trouba? 

     

    Man, trading buff when his value is the highest would get you something good in return, if Keith Yandle whose contract expires at the same times buff does gets you a 1st and a prospect like duclair,Buff would get you at least that and in the long term, cuz that's what this is about, it's about 2 3 4 5 seasons from now, that helps you more than buff does. 

     

    Buff is a popular player, he's a good player, he's not one of the best in the league tho, heck, he's not even our own best player, goes MIA for way too long at times, do you pay him like an elite d man or do you trade him this off season when his value is high and get a haul and a half that will help you in a few seasons when you are ready to legit compete.

     

    Like it or not, this team, it might make the playoffs (i think they do) but they might not, what if they don't? Gonna try again next year with the same cast of characters that haven't gotten it done for the last 4 or 5 years now? 

     

    Buff is a good player tho, but he's in that age group where, well, it doesn't really fit in to what the Jets are building actually.

     

    I'll take Myers and Trouba in their early 20's over almost 30 year old buff any day. 

     

    Yup, you build through centers and d man and that's exactly what Chevy has been quietly doing the last couple years (scheif,lowry,trouba,myers) That is your new core right there. The core that will take us to places that we have never been before really, that's the core plus ehlers, morrissey and a couple others that will make us legit contenders year in year out. 

     

    Let's not pretend that this Jets team has been nothing but average the last few years, this year, they are better than average for sure but... it's really the first year since they have been here that they have been, normally at this time of the Jets past few seasons, we are all talking about who we are taking at the draft with our top 10 pick again. 

     

    Jets have the best ranked prospect pool in all of hockey they say, what a job Chevy has done really, guy gets blasted for doing nothing but all he did was build the best prospect pool in the league and make the biggest trade in the last 5 years. The new core, that's what we all about, Those are the guys that we will win with, those are the guys that will take us from competing for a wild card spot to competing for a stanley cup and 1st in our division. 

     

    In a perfect world, yup buff,ladd, stafford,frolik, they all sign new deals and the young guys get their extensions and it's all happy happy joy joy but in the salary cap world that the Jets live in, it don't work like that.  You have to make choices and they are tough ones, What to do with Buff is a tough choice, it's not an easy one, but... it's a choice that Chevy will have to make soon, probably this summer, can't lose the guy for nothing if he isn't willing to extend right and can't overpay because you are gonna have to pay your young core some big money soon too. 

     

    All in all, I'd take the captain over Buff. Only because our LW depth isn't as strong as your RHD depth. 

     

    I think what your saying is correct ... but this team does not move forward like they have without players like Buff and Ladd on it.

     

    And you have seemed to completely forgot about Wheeler. You are right tho when and if this team wins a Cup it will be the Troubas and Scheifs Lowys, Myers that will lead it but right now they arnt ready.

     

    Without Ladd Buff Little Stuart you are pretty much the Oilers....  bunch of talent but cant get it together because they dont have that leadership.

     

    The team will continue to build thu draft and develop but my guess is we will also always have vet leaders on it. 

  20. This is my take on the 4 guys... And i really dont think Buff or Ladd are going to ask for stupid money to stay.

     

    Buff i figure stays because hes not a flashy type guy... He dont needs the lights of a big market or warm weather and houses on the beach and hes a quiet type big leader in the room and he likes to work and teach younger players. He likes it here and respects the Team... Throwing Kanes track suit in the shower or whatever shows that IMO.

     

    I heard the comments from Ladd about wanting to win now and dont care about the draft and develop thing... I dont read to much into that. Hes the leader and needs to comment like one and thats what he did. Speaking of being the leader and captain.... Ladd likes the role to much to really want to go... Hes not going to go to a team and become their captain... IMO he will take a lil less money to keep that role on a young up n coming team that he can lead.

     

    Stafford i think resigns with us. If Staff thought he was brought in as a rent a player them i think hed bolt but i think Maurice has let him know he is in the teams plans and has a role on this team now and in the future. IMO he sees he has a good fit with Wheels and Schief and will want to continue with that and see where that line can go.

     

    Fro....  Hes a bit more iffy IMO. Hes said he wants to stay and likes his role with the team and likes Maurice.He doesnt come across as a me me me type so i think he may stick around for 3.5 i think he knows hes not going to get much more then that and if hes comphy with his role here i think he stays.

     

    From what ive seen of this team is the guys have character. none of them seem to have the all about me attitude and thats what im basing my opinion on.   

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