Flutie/Mitchell/Collaros W/L numbers as starters

[Coorsman]

Hello

Went down a rabbit hole one Sunday night and dug up the W/L numbers as starters for Collaros and Flutie (didn't have to go digging for Mitchell's with the milestone he just hit). Was sharing them with Noeller and 17to85 but thought maybe some of you might have interest. These are all current.

Win/Loss on a single team (minimum 50 Starts)

Flutie (Stamps) - 63 Starts - 50 W - 13 L.   .794 winning percentage

Mitchell (Stamps) - 117 Starts - 90 W - 25 L - 2 T.    .778 winning percentage

Collaros (Bombers 2019 - present) - 66 Starts - 51 W - 15 L.    .773 winning percentage

 

All time Win/Loss

Flutie - 105 Starts - 78 W - 27 L.    .743 winning percentage

Mitchell - 143 Starts - 100 W - 41 L - 2 T.  .706 winning percentage 

Collaros - 132 Starts - 85 W - 47 L.   .644 winning percentage

 

A few observations.

I have given Bo 1 win for his 2 ties. Fluties only real losing was to start his career in BC. And even that was only for 1 year. You can see his numbers with the Stamps, and by my count the 2 years he was an Argo, they went 15-3 both years. The only way to spin that Bo wins more than Flutie is to use the "fastest to 100 wins" when we know Flutie didn't play enough to get 100 wins. I was curious when I put this together if Bo's record was actually better than Flutie's. We can see its not, and isn't really that close. I guess when he first left Calgary, it was but he's dropped off since then. And Zack's run in Winnipeg... When he left Hamilton after 2017, he was 24-27 as a starter (even coming here he was only 34-32 as a starter after Sask), and since that time has somehow willed his way into the conversation here. Collaros would have been #1 on the team chart until 2024 happened. Almost half of all his losses as a bomber were in 2024. Mathematically he can't get to 100 wins in less than 143 (absolute best he can do now is 147), but I could see him passing Bo for all time wins or winning percentage all time. Flutie is probably untouchable, and I'm okay with that. 

Edited yesterday at 05:55 AM by Coorsman
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[wbbfan]

Pretty interesting breakdown. I did a breakdown of Zach's playoff and GC stats after the last couple of losses. It'd be interesting to compare the 3s regular season, playoffs, and GC stats per game. 

 I think it is important to note that the era Flutie played in was very different from Zach and BLM. Aside from the steady rise in talent level/athleticism/size of players, the ratio changes and volume of Cahoon esq fake NIs have changed the game a lot. 

Flutie is the greatest to ever play in the CFL imo. With the biggest gap between him and his competitors. Winning on different teams at the level he did is pretty impressive, too. 

Part of me thinks that eventually records fall and Goats are replaced. But Idk about Flutie. The nature of the NFL poaching CFL talent now, and the NFL's increased willingness to take all types and sizes of QBs, it is hard to imagine his standard being beaten. 

[Booch]

ZC could have even better numbers if not for the shitshow he was in Sask and end of his time in Ham

[Coorsman]

Yeah I was surprised. Zacks record as a starter in 2018 with sask was 10-4. Then officially he took the L in week 1 in that infamous game in 2019 so he finished up 10-5 there. 

As the weeks go by, I'll go in and update these numbers too. 

[HardCoreBlue]

1 hour ago, wbbfan said:

Pretty interesting breakdown. I did a breakdown of Zach's playoff and GC stats after the last couple of losses. It'd be interesting to compare the 3s regular season, playoffs, and GC stats per game. 

 I think it is important to note that the era Flutie played in was very different from Zach and BLM. Aside from the steady rise in talent level/athleticism/size of players, the ratio changes and volume of Cahoon esq fake NIs have changed the game a lot. 

Flutie is the greatest to ever play in the CFL imo. With the biggest gap between him and his competitors. Winning on different teams at the level he did is pretty impressive, too. 

Part of me thinks that eventually records fall and Goats are replaced. But Idk about Flutie. The nature of the NFL poaching CFL talent now, and the NFL's increased willingness to take all types and sizes of QBs, it is hard to imagine his standard being beaten. 

For the sake of the leagues health, I hope so.

[wbbfan]

24 minutes ago, HardCoreBlue said:

For the sake of the leagues health, I hope so.

No doubt. I had a lot of hope going into this season that the league would see the passing of the torch. With Brown, Alexander, and Rourke stepping into the top tier of QBs. But injuries across the board have badly derailed the QBing in the league. 

Not only that, though, we need the next Charles Roberts and similar players. Grant is electric with the ball in his hands. But the league in general doesn't have many guys who are must-watch when they have the ball. 

[Booch]

2 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

No doubt. I had a lot of hope going into this season that the league would see the passing of the torch. With Brown, Alexander, and Rourke stepping into the top tier of QBs. But injuries across the board have badly derailed the QBing in the league. 

Not only that, though, we need the next Charles Roberts and similar players. Grant is electric with the ball in his hands. But the league in general doesn't have many guys who are must-watch when they have the ball. 

Pokey was showing signs of that....slippery and got yards at times outta nowhere...and had some sick moves in open field....hopefully if he gets back and some time in an NF environment he will come back even better

[wbbfan]

Just now, Booch said:

Pokey was showing signs of that....slippery and got yards at times outta nowhere...and had some sick moves in open field....hopefully if he gets back and some time in an NF environment he will come back even better

Man, if he takes a step forward as a year 2 guy and with some grooming in the NFL, he could be really good. I'd love to see that. It feels like, in general, the CFL has gone away from smaller YAC/cut-back runners and more to big, slower possession guys. Which I don't love. 

[HardCoreBlue]

2 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

No doubt. I had a lot of hope going into this season that the league would see the passing of the torch. With Brown, Alexander, and Rourke stepping into the top tier of QBs. But injuries across the board have badly derailed the QBing in the league. 

Not only that, though, we need the next Charles Roberts and similar players. Grant is electric with the ball in his hands. But the league in general doesn't have many guys who are must-watch when they have the ball. 

As much as I diss and loathe other teams especially the Argo's and Riders who deserve it 🙂 (c'mon they do), I'm ultimately here for the CFL and I'm genuinely concerned for our league if I'm being serious.

I don't take myself seriously but I take the health of our great league very seriously.

[Booch]

1 minute ago, wbbfan said:

Man, if he takes a step forward as a year 2 guy and with some grooming in the NFL, he could be really good. I'd love to see that. It feels like, in general, the CFL has gone away from smaller YAC/cut-back runners and more to big, slower possession guys. Which I don't love. 

the steps he took on the fly last yr was phenomenal...so another yr...some NFL exposure.....if he is back he hits the ground running....garuanteed

And that's the thing here...we don't give up and comers a true shot unless we have nobody because of injury....and when we do have to go that route it generally pans out real well. This holding on to past glory with vets needs to be trimmed down. And when Osh made that comment "when you look at a guys film from yrs ago...you can see what he brings"....was a huge red flag in my opinion....and why he is how he is.....past film from yrs past doesn't equate to continued sucess/dominance moving forward...especially in football...he needs to let that go and get the best guys on the field regardless of who they are...where they from and how long they been here

4 minutes ago, HardCoreBlue said:

As much as I diss and loathe other teams especially the Argo's and Riders who deserve it 🙂 (c'mon they do), I'm ultimately here for the CFL and I'm genuinely concerned for our league if I'm being serious.

I don't take myself seriously but I take the health of our great league very seriously.

Yeah...agree...I watch all the games....some multiple times for various reasons.....but I not too concerned with the health...always gonna be hot and cold spots but if it survived in some those scary times with way less avaenues of exposure as we have now...and ways to generate rev's....then now will be much the same...

The new commish tho needs to have round tables with team presidents/owners to share ideas and have the successful teams show the how's/what's/why's etc of how they go about business....because what we did/do here is easily replicated anywhere....just needs to be laid out I think for some organizations

[Tracker]

4 hours ago, Booch said:

the steps he took on the fly last yr was phenomenal...so another yr...some NFL exposure.....if he is back he hits the ground running....garuanteed

And that's the thing here...we don't give up and comers a true shot unless we have nobody because of injury....and when we do have to go that route it generally pans out real well. This holding on to past glory with vets needs to be trimmed down. And when Osh made that comment "when you look at a guys film from yrs ago...you can see what he brings"....was a huge red flag in my opinion....and why he is how he is.....past film from yrs past doesn't equate to continued sucess/dominance moving forward...especially in football...he needs to let that go and get the best guys on the field regardless of who they are...where they from and how long they been here

Yeah...agree...I watch all the games....some multiple times for various reasons.....but I not too concerned with the health...always gonna be hot and cold spots but if it survived in some those scary times with way less avaenues of exposure as we have now...and ways to generate rev's....then now will be much the same...

The new commish tho needs to have round tables with team presidents/owners to share ideas and have the successful teams show the how's/what's/why's etc of how they go about business....because what we did/do here is easily replicated anywhere....just needs to be laid out I think for some organizations

The NFL, NBA, MLB and even the NHL head offices all take an active interest and, where needed, an active role in the mangement of the teams. Owners who do not follow the established protocols for running teams are harassed. The CFL doesn't have that kind of leverage, but it would be nice to see them follow an established, successful model.