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yeah true...there was lotsa suck that game tho too that had a big impact in outcome...and most that suckage is still here too....lol But his season as a whole had nothing wrong with it was all I saying...If we were to cut guys who chockd a play or 2 in playoffs ZC would been gone 3 yrs ago now

exactly....we draft and accumulate talent and go against the grain with how we dont use them

there was nothing wrong with Kyries play last yr...none at all Watch Jone's drops in coverage...rarely right spot...and always to slow to react...I said he be a good situational guy but he shouldn't be a player we settle with And why couldn't woodbey play in the middle?...And asking legitimately and want your take as to why....not to be a ****. I see no reason as to why he couldnt and a lot of reasons why he would excel

Jones got released for a rookie...thats how we got him...so that blows your theory right outta the water....they kept the unproven upside rookie over the vet, and he got R.O.Y And yes coaches have input and say in final roster anyone can agree on that, but in the end of the day the HC picks who he feels is right and the Coordinators deal with it...and if they dont like it...tough titties...thats how it goes and how it always will go. whether you wanna believe it or not, Its the HC ass on the line in the end and he is gonna fail and be canned on his own accord....as would anyone in charge of anything Woodbey, and or Ayers can play MLB....Same body type as Jones basically and way more athletic and can actually work well in coverage...Kyrie could too. You say nobody stepped up...what did you see Jones do?...Do explain the reason behind your opinion. Did you take in all the practices to base this on? Go to both games and watch something other than a scoreboard feed? How many snaps did Jones play to beat anyone out....did you count? And shows how much you were watching as Clinton for example made more than 1 play...but whateves....Guess its dumb to turn over parts of roster when an opportunity is there with younger upside guys and pooching an older vet who has plateaud or is on the downswing Keeping a new LB and dumping a Jones or Wilson basically allows the proven guys we already have who been here now 2..3 yrs to step in and a younger guy fills that role they were doing for 1 to 2 yrs...basically effective roster turnover in phases as opposed to having to deal with a team full of old assed broken down guys...we seen how that worked 3 yrs running now...and its at a downward tilt

Jones got released for a rookie...thats how we got him...so that blows your theory right outta the water....they kept the unproven upside rookie over the vet, and he got R.O.Y And yes coaches have input and say in final roster anyone can agree on that, but in the end of the day the HC picks who he feels is right and the Coordinators deal with it...and if they dont like it...tough titties...thats how it goes and how it always will go. whether you wanna believe it or not, Its the HC ass on the line in the end and he is gonna fail and be canned on his own accord....as would anyone in charge of anything Woodbey, and or Ayers can play MLB....Same body type as Jones basically and way more athletic and can actually work well in coverage...Kyrie could too. You say nobody stepped up...what did you see Jones do?...Do explain the reason behind your opinion. Did you take in all the practices to base this on? Go to both games and watch something other than a scoreboard feed? How many snaps did Jones play to beat anyone out....did you count? And shows how much you were watching as Clinton for example made more than 1 play...but whateves....Guess its dumb to turn over parts of roster when an opportunity is there with younger upside guys and pooching an older vet who has plateaud or is on the downswing Keeping a new LB and dumping a Jones or Wilson basically allows the proven guys we already have who been here now 2..3 yrs to step in and a younger guy fills that role they were doing for 1 to 2 yrs...basically effective roster turnover in phases as opposed to having to deal with a team full of old assed broken down guys...we seen how that worked 3 yrs running now...and its at a downward tilt

was it said what Vaval's injury is...he seems fine moving about...no brace/cast/...or bandaide lol we start 3 oline guys...BO...2 receivers and we only need 1 Canadian on defense any given snap which would be the way to go. And if you Nationalized WJ or Ceresna then you could get away from having any true Canadians on the filed for a snap technically We dont need to have mote than 1 listed on defence, if we have 6 on offense which we easily can without going 3 National receivers

yup Same with what we may do at center...Does an import center which would take away from a import from defense as well as make us start 3 Canadian receivers when he isn't really any better than a Canadian center make us a better team than starting a Canadian center, allowing for 3 import receivers, and having that extra American on defense, like you say at DT and allowing us to replace Lawson on reps with a stud DT as Smith and Kramdi make the Canadian quota on defence. And really if we go 3 Canadian Oline, BO...2 receivers and have the Nationalized American on defence we could take out a Canadian on any play and freely bring in an American whenever we wanted....so which option makes us a better overall team? It's amazing how one dumb move could affect the totality of the roster and make you weaker

yeah thats my take too as the games are not choosable anymore

Yup....context is key with his stats...He is good depth...but we can do better for sure if we being real with ourselves...we could cut either..or ...or even both....or DA one and start one of Woodbey/SMith/ayers in those spots and not see any drop off...prob see increase in impact plays...not tackles after yards were gained or in chase mode Prime Bighills come once in a while...But also run of Mill Jone's come often...and settling for that when you can do better....we have better...is just spinning wheels and delaying roster transition another yr. We do that a lot. People forget Jones came to us from the scrap heap cause Edm had the wherewithal to see a rookie was better and had oodles of upside....and he ended up as ROY....Not like he was a guy teams were all chasing. We ride giys right into a bloody knub and have zero behind them...or rarely allow a guy to get reps/experience and then we scuffle trying to find a replacement...its a cycle with this group that happens too much....Clinging worked in 2019 thru 2022....but that was an anomoly of having a real good group in prime...and top guys at their position in the league, and we don't have that now...for a while yet we seem to think we do and havn't deviated from that mindset unless forced to, either by player defection or career/season ending injury How long has it been since we addressed the dline issues once we had no more Nevis...Stove..Jeffcoat..Kongbo?...we were more than happy to run out inferior guys cause they were either A) here already B) a old in tooth vet or C) some coaches fatuation what did you see him do to win it tho? and did he even play?...MIKE has changed I agree and Jones skillset, and holes in his game doesnt suit the new MIKE Being givin the job doesnt always translate into earning/winning it yeah he is horrid...and doesnt fit the real requirements of the spot now. The 3 spots were set in stone before the first player even stepped on field in TC They finally got it right with Griffin at SAM but if we wanted our best, and group most likely to get really lethal as season went on we would run combo's of Woodbey/Smith/Ayers along with Griffin and situationaly use one of Wilson or Jones I still willing to be open minded and not pessimistic about roster yet, as we havnt seen anything to indicate whats what in practice yet, and there gonna be guys moving on and off...and onto the IR But the first depth chart is gonna be a good indicator again of what we are....same ol same ol handcuffing ourselves and quationable guys just standing around game in and game out with nobody getting any development reps....or we are gonna field our best all around athletes and versatile players and kick some butt...guess it is TBD i think the discussion is that we arent playing the best option...or giving thebest options the bulk of reps...I've said Jones could be a good depth/situational guy as a DA....As would Wilson...but both blocking the younger playmakers, is redundant and serves zero purpose....6game or 1 game one of em and allow them full pay and there is your insurance if a younger guy huts the wall...or gets hurt...simple roster logic really to get your best players playing and growing...

i got error too

I was looking at roster on team site...so who knows whats accurate I guess...He used to be on Pr there, so who knows lol

as u be dooshin

thats how I would roll with it

so Singer is on active roster now, and not PR? I sure there gonna be more moving around and curious as to who is gonna be 1 gamed as currently we are 7 players over

he's prob a better option than any import not named Wilson or White in all honesty lol I like the add...as well as the Condell add as it seems we have learned from past and have moved on from just internally promoting even when not warranted...so kudo's to this decision yeah...agreed Mayala should be on speed dial immediately as the season hasnt even started and Demski is already questionable...guy is proven and a cfl vet so no learning curve If Eli isn't starting then its from injury...He didnt even take what...5 snaps at center did he? Elsbury was decent but not great. And if you are building your best roster you need to look at ripple effect of ratio adjusting. Elsbury eats up a import spot swaying us to this stupid start 3 Canadian receivers and we don't have the horses for that, nor the depth and to do such a move that import has to be lights out good....it also takes away the ability to add that extra import defender...say a legit DT or another tweener gy who can play inside and out...so you have a avergae center...a weaker wr core....and a leaner defence Turn that around...Start ELi who will be no worse than the pylon we had last yr....and likely after a few games settled in as one the better centers...a better wr group with 3 imports and possibly a new guy in that group that lights it up, and a deeper defense as you can add another difference maker there....And if Eli is knicked let Vibert at it, and didnt we draft this Daniels cause he was this shitkicker where we could forego using an OL in TE sets?....or so we were told One dumb move can make the offence, and the defence weaker when you look at the whole makeup of things...who wants to wager cash on if we make a smart...or dumb decision?...lol

last yr shouldnt even factor into anything for this yr...the whole offence in general was disjointed and sad...There was lotsa vanishing Not being targeted or a QB not having time to target a slower developing route cant be blamed on the receiver...and for a neglected receiver on a bad offence 650 some odd yards and 4 scores over 16 games isnt really vanishing.....350ish yards less than Demski who is considered elite, with less targets and being further from the QB and not a focal point of the offence really isnt that much of a gap for a 3rd/4th option at best....or does it say Demski isnt as elite as we tend to like to believe...I believe he is elite, when used right, and not subjected to heavy runs into the belly of the beast like we do, and how we continually knick him up, but not bringing a guy back after really 1 yr of developing with no real answer to replace him is pretty poor management...Bring him back along with new recruits and if he shows no more progress its an easy cut then His blocking...especially in pass protection was not good, and sure he not gonna get 5 passes a game...thankfully. And not sure what he was asked to do that we didnt have to trade up and get a limited use guy for, where we already had people on roster who could do exactly what he did in pre-season is my point. And what he did do wasnt really anything that screamed...we gotta keep this gy around whatever way we can...Maybe they were playing sillybuggers and arent releasing the kraken until games matter....but what I saw in camp didnt really indicate some secret weapon to take the league by surprise...guess we will see

he is prob one of the worst in the league at his position in coverage....bar none. He'd be good in a retro 3-4 front as one the interior LB's staying in the box.... Like I said...it's collective....who do we have the last few yrs besides a few aging stars who are super impactful. Fox was more than solid inside actually...and doing nothing with an opportunity in one place, but solid and contributing in another maybe comes down to better coaching I dont look for wins in pre-season as its irrelevant....look for skill/potential and ability, and versatility/athleticism...the other parts will fall into place if you are well coached I bet outside of White/Pokey who are gonna see hella lot of volume and forced throws , that Wheatfall will put up better numbers than any other import we play....as he will likely be properly used We have a history here of not giving anyone a legit chance/opportunity until literally forced to with no other choice...and even then we repeatedly played guys who should never have been on the field. BC reciever sure...rookie...against rookies...still tho made the plays...a scrub would have dropped ball...or never even got to the right spot to make said play...maybe the wide open score he recognized something and went to the vacated area?...coulda...shoulda if he saw it....What did Daniels do to secure a spot? Better yet...what did we do for him to actually show something...nothing....and thats not his fault Feel sorry for a guy like Rocker too....got no use...no involvement in anything...we know what peterson can do...we saw it last yr...why even waste a roster spot in TC on a guy like Rocker?...what a waste of his time.

yeah...Our backups and potential upside guys were actually faring very well vs BC's offensive starters...and were up 10-3 Our scrubs and draft picks were hosed by BC's scrubs and draftee's.... Ball is ball regardless of who it is against....Heck a lot of our "starters" didnt play at all in pre-season really, so who knows how they would have fared vs scrubs and TCF...But all made the club from the tub. Some say Elsbury is the answer at center but he didnt overall impress and as an Import that would make you have to switch your ratio, and likely play inadequate Canadian receivers, and even worse as their backup...That import center has to be exceptional at worst...Did Eli even polay any center in Pre-season to play himself outta the starting lineup? Also...Come the real game time Elsbury will be seeing legit schemes and likely stuff he has never faced, not the vanilla he saw in pre-season...is he gonna be able to make the proper calls?...or is he gonna flub a bunch of them and risk ZC getting eviscerated in the process??...

currently Ham has Augustine..Wheatfall...Fox...Hubert...Myron Mitchell of all people on their roster...all guys we cut adrift and rally have not adequately replaced another interior DT and WR...As one example also had Garbutt but he got hurt...still isnt 100 percent an I think out of football at moment. So teams find value and use in our cast offs....and ironically Ham had a better record than us, so the excuse some use that this team..or that team is garbage doesnt hold weight. Not saying all are world beaters, but all were solid and its a collective effort in the end as well.. I like a lot of what we kept.. I said if you look back I think they will keep, or should keep Mazzccua as there something there..As well as Fletcher who is multi versatile and Reese who has best get off, and were smart keeps....Sure we have a log jam of LB's....but we also have 2 long in tooth and only really need one, so keeping another younger one to develop would been the smart choice. Singer was best of a bad group of WR recruits and serves multiple roles so again a smart choice but if this plan of starting 3 Canadians is real then keeping him...Womack...and Fredrickson around but seems redundant and a waste of PR space when there zero chance to get on roster, while we have really only 3 canadians worthy of being actual starters....keep one import and load your PR with defensive guys with serious upside with the other 2 spots

yeah...we have an aging core...we let a lot of young promise walk tho...and we need to change that. I not saying dump all yhour vets, but many canbe replaced by younger guys with upside and more skill, and not hurt you in the least outside of Clercius/Demski/Neild he is the best backup Canadian as he can play inside...outside...return...run jet sweep we go 3 national recievers...we have the worst group in league again...especially if one of Demski or Neild goes down...Clercius is already hurt, and there no guarantee Demski goes injury free...heck he didnt even make it outta camp with zero contact. Add to that the fact we know damn well Osh will play a hampered/injured Demski who will offer minimal results as well...we\'ve seen it before so not a make believe story to trash Osh....

well...they kind of are. Nothing in "practice" can really separate anyone from one another. Game reps vs real bullets and schemes and tendencies you haven't seen for weeks over and over show a lot....Just look at Clintons pick six...realized what Sask was doing, from watching and Ipad and adjusted his drop to basically bait that int...Jones cant drop in the right area to save his life...and if he did and made that pick...he wouldnt have hit paydirt. Rookies and scrubs playing against other teams similar players is irrelevant...If you are a ball and can...and do make plays...you will also surrounded by the returning vets when the real games come...especially on defense in the CFL....Offense is a bit different and the nuances...waggle...accounting for the extra defender take time...Defense for most part you can step right on, save for maybe halfback...This fallacy you need to have 1..2 yrs of seasoning is crap...if you can play...you can play

Many holes in his game....He is a good depth/rotational piece but he is not a top full time MLB in the league We really needed to keep only one of Jones and Wilson and have them as the DA and or Nationalized Canadian, and allow Woodbey/Ayers and a new import rookie the opportunity, along with give Smith and Shay as much work as possible if not one the actual starting spots

We definitely upgraded a couple positions...but looking at what we kept..and PR'd..our depth i bet gonna be even worse than last yr..and heavily relying on old guard to stay healthy. And I didnt think it was possible but our receiving group..especially if we stupidly go 3 Canadian will be worse than last yr...especially if white or Pokey go down...plus I have zero faith Demski will go unknicked..

And passed on the kid in bc who schooled us What did Daniel's do..really to make the team other than being a pick we traded up to get? Didnt catch a ball..the couple routes he went out on he looked awkward and lost...his pass protection was awful...and this shitkicking blocking Walters yammerned on about..I didnt see it in the 2 games or 4 practices I went to For that matter what did Kyrie and Jones do to earn the spot other than be vet holdovers? Yet here they are gonna be starting...Smith..Woodbey..Ayers and Griffin tho showed they are worthy and should take the main reps...Shay as well and really Clinton out played them all and "hustled" "tried" hard too...its Corcoran's traits Osh raves about and gets him playtime..why doesn't it work for a player possibly pushing a vet out? Dumping a Jones or Wilson ...or DA'n one wouldn't hurt us in the least...but..osh be oshin just like I be Boochin...some u all think just cause he the HC he is never wrong and not flawed. Yes. See my previous comment

As we prob dress 4 dl and have Ayers listed as a DE..and Mills grinds us into Salisbury steak by 4th quarter