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He was a major part of it. MAJOR. It is disingenuous to suggest otherwise. He created and nurtured the culture that led to the winningest stretch in our past 40 years. He does not get more credit than he deserves. He deserves a lot of credit. Were there others that contributed? Of course there were. Miller supplied the vision, Walters built a formidable front office that is the best in the league, but why sell MOS short? He's not perfect, we've discussed that ad nauseum here, but he's no scrub either. He is a HOF HC that is one of our best in franchise history.

I see your point but I am guessing the Bombers feel pretty good about their odds in that scenario given Rourke's limited practice time.

Haba or Ayers off makes the most sense. However, I do understand the logic of Younger in taking Adams off. You have a very mobile QB coming in with almost no practice. Contain him between the tackles and he will make mistakes. Rourke will be going sandlot a whole bunch, because it will take him that extra second, when he does taking escape routes away is our best way to minimize any potential impact he may have. A quick edge rusher will help the most in that regard.

You don't give up much. It should be noted that VA's contract isn't terrible either and likely lower than what he gets if a bidding war starts. They shouldn't let him back at all, but if the Argos want this type of scum in their dressing room I guess that's up to them. Hope he gets booed out of every stadium including his own.

It will depend on how many teams feel desperate for a QB this offseason. If it is just one or two teams they likely wait for VA to get cut. If that number goes higher I'd suggest a trade will happen. It's not like VA's contract is an albotross or anything. It's a pretty fair contract, in fact, a team might trade for it to avoid having to pay more. Compensation wouldn't be high for BC tho.

Rourke hasn't faced a CFL defence and played behind a swiss cheese OL in 2 years. He's not going to have the timing down, and he's likely to get hit a lot. Can he survive it? We'll see but it wouldn't surprise me if he gets nicked up. Lions are kind of stupid rushing him back imo.

He will be tossing interceptions. Book it. No way he gets on the same page with all his receivers in a couple days of practice.

Yea that would be great. Too many conflicting stories out there in the ether that is the internet. I don't think anyone really knows for sure except Ambrosie...lmao.

Exactly. If you made a graph of every team in this league's lowest attendance years and compared it to their win/loss record their lowest attendance would come in years with the least wins. I think that goes in every sport. If we went a season and a half without winning a home game I can't imagine our attendance would be all that great either.

How to fix the Shmoes....I mean Elks....WIN! It's as simple as that. Build a winner. News article somewhere. Don't recall. Could be wrong...just the impression I was under. I believe we had a long discussion about this a couple months ago in one of the threads and sources were cited at that time. I was of the impression there was no limit as well, and it was other forum members here that came up with the specifics.

There is a total team limit. His cap hit is lower because of it, but it's 200k each year they still have to come up with each year because they have robbed Peter to pay Paul. There is a team limit and he just used up all or almost all of it.

Rourke signed a 3 year deal.

Very nice. Lawler and even Wheatfall will certainly help our receiving corps. All rookie contracts are for 2 years and all clubs retain the players rights for those 2 years.

3 year deal leads me to believe he got a butt load of that guaranteed in year 3 as well.

There isn't much money savings on Schoen. He had a significant portion of his contract as a signing bonus and personal service to the club exemption. Not only that but they get Mack back for rookie salary.

Rourke has 2 days with a receiving corps he is completely unfamiliar with. I hope he does play this week, he will be an interception machine because Nathan Rourke or not, no one get the timing and gets in tune with new receivers that fast. Rourke is probably in the 750k range if I were a betting man. I agree with your money figures for this year. Just depends on how much cap room they had though. Just because they theoretically can run around the same cost as the Bombers at QB this year doesn't mean they left the cap space to do it. If they did good on them they can move VA in the offseason. If they didn't they got to start trading assets to get under the SMS.

There is zero chance they can afford both unless Rourke came for peanuts this year and will make it up on the backend. Either way the Leos are going to be paying a butt load at QB thru the next 3 years. I am sure they can keep VA thru this season but beyond it's gotta be impossible without severely hamstringing the roster.

Yea...I tend to agree. He was heated but not necessarily violent. If he's just animated and calling a clown a clown I see no harm on his part. If he was trying to initiate a fight, or threatening the man then Fatty Liver may have a point. As stated above words can definitely be used as legal grounds to defend oneself and challenging a person to a fight or threatening them can open you up to getting popped in the mouth and is not something a coach should be doing.

DEFINITELY in the eyes of the court words stated can be used as a defense for applied force. My wife was a use of force instructor with Manitoba Justice. I have sat through enough of her presentations (she would practice her presentations on me) on the use of force continuum to know that words can definitely constitute a credible threat that allows an officer, or citizen, to react with force. A credible threat, or even the perception that the threat was credible, can justify a use of force.

Words alone can definitely justify the use of physical violence. Just not in this particular case.

Maybe, but I thought CFL teams could now move guys to the 6 retroactively? I could be wrong on that.

Tbh I thought it. There are two types of losing and one is much more easy to fix. There is losing by not executing well, and there is losing by not having enough talent. The first was the Bombers first third of the season. Losses are losses and they hurt but this team has the talent to turn it around in a big way if they get out of their own way. I felt that way 3 weeks ago and I feel that way now. Hopefully they have turned that corner, and I think they have. The first 6 games were a pretty good team consistently shooting itself in the foot.

It was an inevitability. UDFA QBs rarely get any sort of real opportunity,

It pretty much amounts to the same thing though. Whether you are trucked or whiff on a block the outcome is poor. I'm not here to pump Kolo's tires, I see him as a weakness as well, but after watching Tui's reps the last few games I think we are stuck with him. Tui was an absolute disaster and last game, in particular, was just pitiful....and that was on limited reps. Could be he resets at C and is just fine, but I think people expecting it need to watch some tape. I can get the argument of how does he get better with no playing time, but I can also understand any coach not wanting to get their QB killed while an OL is learning game speed too. I'm not suggesting that MOS is making the right decision playing Kolo over Tui, just saying it's not as cut and dry as it seems.

If guys like Shepley can mainly PR for several years so can Manu. A lot can change in a couple years, you may have noticed the guy he was ahead of on the DC is no longer with us either. I'm not a Kolo lover and was all aboard the Eli train too, but he has been god awful when given reps this year. Last week he was just whiffing on every block attempt. Never is what we think it's going to be. Also, of the 13 guys currently 6 gamed only 6 of them represent any possible SMS savings as 7 of them are on rookie contracts. Not sure about how much savings, if any, Neufeld/K.Wilson/Lawson represent because their up front money is unknown but I would wager all 3 combined would constitute minimal savings at best. I would not think that Wilson or Lawson are pulling down big money, and I would wager that Neufeld took down a healthy portion of his contract up front. Even if Collaros were to go down the SMS savings would not be as grand as one would think.