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  1. 15 minutes ago, TrueBlue4ever said:

    Even the man who implemented the strategy for Sweden is not convinced of that statement you so confidently assert. And it would appear that not locking down hasn't spared their economy either. And herd immunity isn't even progressing like they thought. So any other mistruths you want to offer, or are you just spouting unwarranted opinions with no factual underpinning to them?

     https://www.npr.org/2020/05/25/861923548/stockholm-wont-reach-herd-immunity-in-may-sweden-s-chief-epidemiologist-says

    Here's another pair of recent articles on the "herd immunity" lack of success. Based on this, please elaborate on how this model was "the correct one from the start".

    https://www.sfgate.com/news/editorspicks/article/Sweden-herd-immunity-experiment-backfires-covid-15289437.php

    https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-antibody-study-suggests-sweden-not-reaching-herd-immunity-2020-5

    We won't know until the second wave hits in the fall so keep your shorts on. 

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    Earlier this month, Tegnell, who leads the public-health agency, told the Financial Times that while countries that imposed strict lockdowns would likely suffer large second waves later in the year, Sweden's would be smaller.

    "In the autumn there will be a second wave," Tegnell said. "Sweden will have a high level of immunity and the number of cases will probably be quite low."

     

     

  2. 4 minutes ago, Tracker said:

    Trump is igniting a constitutional crisis — and it could doom the US to becoming a failed state

    There are no universally accepted definitions of either a “failed state” or a “constitutional crisis.” Good arguments can be advanced, however, that we are suffering from both disorders at the state and national levels in the midst of the lethal COVID-19 pandemic.

    In a May 19 article, Guardian columnist Nathan Robinson argues that Wisconsin is beginning to resemble a failed state, which he defines as “one that can no longer claim legitimacy or perform a government’s core function of protecting the people’s basic security.” The Wisconsin GOP, Robinson writes, is a minority party, but after years of extreme gerrymandering, it wields de facto dictatorial powers, enabling it to gut public-sector unions and advance the privileges of business interests and the wealthy.

    https://www.alternet.org/2020/05/trump-is-igniting-a-constitutional-crisis-and-it-could-doom-the-us-to-becoming-a-failed-state/

    Good lord did that buffoon even bother to look at the numbers,

    At a Glance
    • Population: 5,813,600
    • Governor: Tony Evers
    • Median Household Income: $62,054
    • Job Growth (2019): 0.4%
    • Cost of Doing Business: 2% above nat'l avg
    • College Attainment: 30.4%
    • Net Migration (2018): 5,500
    • Moody's Bond Rating: Aa1
  3. Just now, Tracker said:

    Trump will pardon every criminal who acted in his behalf and all of his friends- maybe even pardon himself, as he has claimed to have the power to do.

    Only after he exposes the hoax. 

  4. Just now, wanna-b-fanboy said:

    I apologize if that offends you, I just think the edits strike a nicer tone without compromising the information you attempt to convey. 

    Your just proving my point, no need to apologize. 

  5. Great article in Calgary Herald

    https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/nelson-let-s-cut-young-canadians-some-coronavirus-slack/ar-BB14HTQl?ocid=msedgntp

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    Once the fear genie’s let loose, enticing it back into the bottle is not some easy task.

    Indeed, it’s often followed into the open by an even more destructive emotion: anger.

    Collectively, we’re so scared by mass death modelling we’ve willingly submitted to the largest global social experiment ever conducted; the simultaneous shutdowns of lifestyles billions have long taken for granted.

     

    To jog collective memories, let’s return to 1969, a time when the planet’s last major epidemic was cutting its final swath.

    The Hong Kong flu, like many viruses, had returned for a repeat, deadlier performance, after initially arriving in 1968.

    Borders weren’t closed, colleges shuttered, bars and restaurants off-limits and the economy wasn’t deliberately deep-sixed. We might have sheltered in place July 20, but only to watch one small step for man and a giant leap for mankind. These days Apollo 11 would be cancelled and the moon placed off-limits.

    Meanwhile, we fervent boomers had no intention of keeping six feet apart. Instead, almost half a million trekked to Max Yasgur’s farm in upstate New York for four days of love, drugs and rock and roll.

    It would forever be known as Woodstock. Strange, although the Hong Kong flu would eventually claim up to four million souls, it’s that peace and love festival best recalled. Not the fear and loathing.

    We would do well to remember that today. Hey, after all, it was us that picked the higher path, back then.

    So let’s give today’s kids a break. Hey, we’re not exactly leaving them that imaginary Age

     

     

  6. 12 minutes ago, wanna-b-fanboy said:

     

     

     

     

    Is it trolling or irony, that you would post about political media bias and bemoan the "censorship" of political views using fox as support for your argument...  I can't tell anymore.

    Why would it be trolling? It's news, and pretty big news for anyone paying attention.

    Of course the Fox thing is irony too. 

  7. 2 minutes ago, Noeller said:

    Jason Kenney with the second lowest approval rating right now.........that's the guy you want to hitch your wagon to, to prove your intelligence? BTW, Pallister in dead last among provinces with "significant populations".....

    Still in denial about the facts? No hope for you I'm afraid.

     

  8. Notice how the pandemics always seem to come at the end/start of the decade? 

    2 minutes ago, Mark H. said:

    “No longer necessary” is not the same as taking a more relaxed approach from the start.  

    Or we just now realize that Sweden's model was the correct one from the start.

     

  9. No wonder you were so upset, Jason Kenney seems to agree with me,

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    Alberta Premier Jason Kenney made the comments this week as he argued wholesale shutdowns of the economy are no longer necessary for coronavirus.

    “For most Albertans, the risk of death from other pathogens, accidents and traffic fatalities is actually higher than it is for COVID,” Kenney said Wednesday, according to the Calgary Herald.

    Kenney referred to coronavirus as “an influenza that does not generally threaten life” apart from at-risk populations.

    "What we are learning is that younger people, while not completely immune, have a rate of mortality related to COVID that is no higher than their general mortality rate for other illnesses," Kenney told the house Wednesday.

     

    wow, great minds really do think alike.

    No need to apologize to me. 

  10. Pot meet kettle,

     

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    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi admitted Thursday that she has not been tested for coronavirus, nor has she been tested for antibodies to determine if she had previously been infected.

    Pelosi was asked about her testing status during a weekly press briefing, during which she espoused the significance of widespread testing in helping get the pandemic under control, after 1.7 million people have been diagnosed with COVID-19 and more than 100,000 have died.

     

     

    do as I say, not as I do, always the liberal mantra. 

  11. Even some Democrats don't know who is running the party now,

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    Top Hoffman adviser Dmitri Mehlhorn reportedly wrote in a private memo that the key to fighting President Trump was “building trusted media channels with peer-to-peer elements” and “content that has a journalistic flavor.”

    Additionally, Hoffman has funded what top Democratic National Committee (DNC) officials consider an "existential threat" to the Democratic Party: an effort to create an independent database of progressive voters' data. In particular, a startup called Alloy has bought up critical voter outreach data. (In a statement, Alloy said it's "proud" of its work to help Democrats and progressives "on the front lines.")

    “My problem is when Silicon Valley folks think that they know how to do our jobs better. I would never walk into Google or anywhere else and say, ‘Your model sucks,’” Jane Kleeb, who chairs the Nebraska Democratic Party, told Vox's Recode. “I don’t second-guess them, and I’m asking them not to second-guess us.”

     

     

  12. The real puppet-masters are starting to come out of the shadows,

     

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    As Republicans increasingly wage an all-out war against what they perceive as left-wing bias across major social media platforms, big tech billionaires are reportedly working to secretly boost Joe Biden's flagging campaign using tactics that some experts describe as underhanded and nefarious -- and their efforts have even frustrated some Democrats hoping to retain control over their party.

    Vox reported on Wednesday that LinkedIn founder Reid Hoffman, Facebook co-founder Dustin Moskovitz, Laurene Powell Jobs and ex-Google CEO Eric Schmidt are leading the charge, citing nearly two dozen donors closely connected to the ongoing operation.

    Hoffman alone has dumped approximately $10 million into Acronym, which backed the company Shadow behind the disastrous Iowa caucus app. According to Vox, Acronym hopes to secure another $25 million "to set up seven of its own media properties in swing states, creating local news sites that portray moderate Democratic candidates in a favorable light, but appear to be objective, homespun outlets."

     

     

  13. Well put,

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    “The political double standard that exists on some social media platforms is appalling," Budd told Fox News. "Given the power and influence that these sites have, it’s totally inappropriate that they get to choose which viewpoints receive more eyes or more scrutiny. It’s high time these social media sites are held accountable.”

    Yoho termed the double standard a constitutional issue.

    “The Orwellian hand of Reddit’s Big Tech censoring is an assault on the basic freedom of free speech guaranteed in our First Amendment. It’s time for the abuses of politically motivated social media giants to be reigned in," Yoho told Fox News.

     

     

  14. Censorship, can't believe anyone would be for it, except the communists of course,

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    EXCLUSIVE: Several Republican lawmakers suggested in a scathing letter on Thursday they will soon take action against Reddit, saying the influential Internet message board systematically singled out, censored, and destroyed a once-popular pro-Trump "subreddit," or subforum, known as "r/The_Donald." "Shame on you," wrote Reps. Jim Banks of Indiana, Matt Gaetz of Florida, Jody Hice of Georgia, Ted Budd of North Carolina, and Ted Yoho of Florida, to Reddit CEO and co-founder Steve Huffman. The move opened up a new front in Republicans' all-out war on what they see as pervasive bias in Silicon Valley.

     

     

  15. 11 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:

    I like when you try to use china to prove anything. It’s funny.  Adds some levity.  Also when you pretend the virus after lockdowns was always what it was going to be without.  It’s cute you think that. 

    Glad you enjoyed it. 

  16. 1 hour ago, 17to85 said:

    Herd immunity will be achieved through gradual re-openings

    No it won't Sweden is only at about 25% right now and may not be ready by the time the second wave hits, we will be completely screwed by that point.

    1 hour ago, 17to85 said:

    The way they are doing it is to avoid overwhelming health care so we can treat people who need it. 

    New York didn't even need the temporary beds the army corps of engineers set up, China didn't need theirs either, so this argument has already been shown to be a nothing burger.

     

    23 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

    Jason kenney shows he is still an ******* with the pigeye-esque comments. ******* albertans just couldn't do the right thing could they.

    Hey you wanted science and hard facts, you got them, sorry if they make you choke. 

    Now put your big boy pants on and deal with the facts. I would hope our leaders are able to make the tough choices and not cower and hide in their homes at time like this. 

  17. 33 minutes ago, Mark H. said:

    And your plan was to do nothing, somehow identify and isolate everyone who's vulnerable, and then wait for herd immunity to develop.

    This is a new virus - how could officials KNOW FOR SURE who the most vulnerable people were?  Some pandemics have killed many young and healthy individuals.  But there was no way to predict (in the early going, maybe not even now) precisely who the vulnerable segments of the population were.  You point to some segments as being statistically insignificant - but you forget that those statistics were not available a few months ago. 

    The Spanish flu is the classic example of what can happen if you go the herd immunity route - most governments in 2020 just could not take that risk.  

    They all had models, Sweden's method is based on models just like the UK and others who chose their method.

    Hey Sweden shut some things down but not others, it's not business as usual over their, they are trying to protect the most vulnerable. 

    I'm not advocating for opening everything up, they just didn't need to close everything down is all I'm saying. 

  18. 5 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

    It's questionable that it is the most sensible course of action for Sweden... and Sweden is not a good comparable country anyway. They have a very robust social safety net because of their investment in it and high taxes. Compare that with America for example where people struggle to get healthcare at the best of times.... 

    It's just another bad faith argument by people who care more about their own lives not changing than they do about their fellow people.

    My life hasn't changed at all, essential service, haven't missed a day of work. Selfishness plays no part in my argument.

    I just disagree with the methods our government has chosen to use. Our only hope of ending this thing under the current method is a vaccine, which is still months or years away if ever. No contingency plan if that fails. But if this lockdown goes on for months/years it won't matter anyways, we will be die from famine and anarchy. 

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