Rids

It's 2 UDFA's from the past 2 draft years that haven't attended a pro training camp.

Well they can only have 2 UDFA's for non-counters so I went with the two position players thinking that they'll make a decision on the kicker quicker than at other spots.

Yes the training camp jargon needs to be cleaned up. Too many rules inside of rules. Players like Matt Sewell will count against their CFL team training camp number because they've attended a NFL camp.

Renaud, Brescacin and Stevenson all count against the training camp number as they've all been in training camps before. Kris Robertson is a non-counter since he was hurt before camp last year. Stephen Alli would be a non-counter if he showed up as a 2013 Draft Selection. I believe Sean Blake and Errol Brooks would be the other non-counters. Should be 8 + any Rifles players and a non-import QB.

Outside of the big North American 4 (NHL, NFL, MLB, NBA) most leagues have ratios based on nationalities. The MLS also has a maximum number of non-North American players per team that can be traded from franchise to franchise. European hockey, soccer, basketball all have limits on how many foreign born players can suit up; Australia and New Zealand basketball leagues do as well. The CFL is the only one that allows more foreign born players than home grown players.

I agree. With the number of injuries we see during games sometimes, the more guys on the sidelines suited up the better. It makes no sense to have two OL go down in a game and having a guy standing there in civvies on the sideline who could have gone in as a sub, instead of putting some poor DL out there doing his best impression of a turnstyle. IIRC, it becomes a ratio issue. If these 2 additional guys are now designated imports, they can go in on special teams, and take the spot from a non-import player. The 2 additional guys are 1 non-import and 1 import. There will be 3 designated imports per team now up from the 2 last year. This change was agreed on already by the CFL and CFLPA during the off season (perhaps back when Mike Morreale was still in charge). Part of what the reserve roster was originally set up for was to have up to four protected players from the old practice roster that other teams couldn't just pick up. The CFLPA arranged that they would get a full game cheque for being on the 46 man roster during the last CBA discussion. Remember the two way contracts that the CFLPA didn't want? The reason for that was so that CFL teams could shuffle players from the 46 man roster (primarily for the bottom 4 to 6 players on the roster) to the PR without having to release them and have them sign a PR contract. I think for young players, especially on their second team after being drafted, it would be a smart contract to sign. When they know they'll only see the field in about half the games but be able to do it without getting released is a bonus.

There's potentially a player available for the supplemental draft that I brought forward to the CFL/CFLPA and to the player and his coach but to my knowledge no application has been made. He may be content to finish his playing career with his degree in hand.

Derek Jones is a second round talent that you got in the fourth round. He's been playing press coverage for 4 years compared to the mixed zone stuff the CIS schools generally run so potentially he can be the dime back in a pinch if Korey Banks is out or needs a breather. Jones fits the defense there. Briggs replaces Muamba but it's not Henoc. Think he can become that safety needed in the system. Fast, makes instinctive plays and has a safety's body. Goossen takes a role early on. He's ready to go. Quinn Everett went about where I expected him to. Good player not great but could be a NT with his 305 pound frame sitting in a gap every play. Aram Eisho is a 3 time CJFL Defensive Player of the Year, Defensive Player of the Game in the 2011 Vanier Cup, 2012 OUA Defensive Player of the Year and you got him in the 7th round.

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Maudie is posting from the old definitions. The 2010 CBA lays it out like this: TJ Jones potentially could classify as a non import based on section c there. Likewise John Urschel (who was also born in Winnipeg, dad played football at U of Alberta) would easily classify as a non import.

Hey Rids, is that an educated guess or are you tracking the number of snaps each player plays for their team? This is not to call you out on guessing, just to say that if you are tracking that kinda thing, it's awesome and it's exactly the kind of analysis I love to read about the CFL and please post more of it. It's frustrating that the announcers on CFL games never pay attention to substitutions and rotations, even during injury situations. It's an educated guess based on tracking snaps in a couple games. I do track each team a couple times a year, the time needed to do it more just isn't available right now. I should be more careful in how I state it.

Nope. Pretty much any 5th rounder who becomes a stud in the CFL is a good draft pick. All draft picks aren't equal and Rid's stats treat them as equal. Good starters are worth more than average starters, who are worth more than just starting because they are an NI or because teams need a 7th starter, who are worth more than a good backup, who are worth more than fringe players. First rounders are expected to become starters. If they don't then they are bad picks, even if they stay on the team for a while. There are draft picks who hang on for a few years just because the NI's on a specific team aren't very good. I wouldn't call them good draft picks they just got lucky t be drafted by the right team. There are high draft picks who teams keep around mostly because they were drafted high. They take up a roster spot for a couple of years, but aren't good draft picks. Being a starter means a lot. It means your one of the top 7 NI's on the team. These are the guys we really need to draft. There are also draft picks that can't get past the depth with their draft team but become starters on other teams. There are schemes that some players can't make the adjustment for in one city but show up in another scheme and become all stars. In the CFL very rarely are high draft picks kept around simply for being high draft picks. What with contracts not being guaranteed and especially before they reach veteran status and their contracts lock in during September they are more than expendable. (Ameet Pall was drafted 5th overall and didn't last training camp) I think some of the answers that you're looking for in these numbers can't be solved without being in the coaches office when they make some early season decisions or off season decisions about the formation of the team. A player could be the best FB in the CFL but it might not translate as being a great draft pick because that player won't count towards the 7 NI starters when the team starts 5 receivers. Define the value of a $70,000 non import linebacker that can play 15 to 20 snaps a game and keep your $120,000 starting linebacker fresh in the 4Q by resting him during the special teams plays. That special teams/situational downs linebacker is likely easily replaced in the minds of the 30,000 watching from the stands but in the eyes of the coaching staff he's gold. He's a guy that knows his role, can step up in a pinch but probably won't tally more than 20 total tackles for the entire season. In a real life situation I'll point to Jabar Westerman who isn't a starter, doesn't rack up gaudy stats (25 tackles in 2 seasons) and all because of how he is used. Still beyond that he would be welcomed by all 8 other CFL teams should he come available. Also he'd instantly improve the value of Jake Thomas if he was acquired by the Bombers. Teams just can't play Moneyball in the CFL. They can't replace 50 tackles with different combinations that will produce more 50 tackles. There's a lot more involved in it. The Westerman not starting stuff is just semantics though. He's part of a D-line rotation. He takes one of the seven Canadian spots when he's on the field playing defense, if they choose to they can go all import in the secondary when he's on the field or have an extra IMP LB on the field, which is what they usually did with Westerman. For all intents and purposes, Westerman, Reid and Larose are filling one of the seven NI spots in a platoon. Technically he's not that simple to describe. LaRose was their every down safety, they started 6 NIs on offense so lots of flexibility and when Westerman came in it wasn't to fulfill a spot on the platoon. He was used a lot more than that, playing 65% of the snaps.

This is exactly the football discussion that I'm interested in. Where are we going wrong - in that what do you think I'm trying to show with these numbers? And for a second part what would show you the value of the draft pick? What would you look for to prove the value of a FB for instance?

Nope. Pretty much any 5th rounder who becomes a stud in the CFL is a good draft pick. All draft picks aren't equal and Rid's stats treat them as equal. Good starters are worth more than average starters, who are worth more than just starting because they are an NI or because teams need a 7th starter, who are worth more than a good backup, who are worth more than fringe players. First rounders are expected to become starters. If they don't then they are bad picks, even if they stay on the team for a while. There are draft picks who hang on for a few years just because the NI's on a specific team aren't very good. I wouldn't call them good draft picks they just got lucky t be drafted by the right team. There are high draft picks who teams keep around mostly because they were drafted high. They take up a roster spot for a couple of years, but aren't good draft picks. Being a starter means a lot. It means your one of the top 7 NI's on the team. These are the guys we really need to draft. There are also draft picks that can't get past the depth with their draft team but become starters on other teams. There are schemes that some players can't make the adjustment for in one city but show up in another scheme and become all stars. In the CFL very rarely are high draft picks kept around simply for being high draft picks. What with contracts not being guaranteed and especially before they reach veteran status and their contracts lock in during September they are more than expendable. (Ameet Pall was drafted 5th overall and didn't last training camp) I think some of the answers that you're looking for in these numbers can't be solved without being in the coaches office when they make some early season decisions or off season decisions about the formation of the team. A player could be the best FB in the CFL but it might not translate as being a great draft pick because that player won't count towards the 7 NI starters when the team starts 5 receivers. Define the value of a $70,000 non import linebacker that can play 15 to 20 snaps a game and keep your $120,000 starting linebacker fresh in the 4Q by resting him during the special teams plays. That special teams/situational downs linebacker is likely easily replaced in the minds of the 30,000 watching from the stands but in the eyes of the coaching staff he's gold. He's a guy that knows his role, can step up in a pinch but probably won't tally more than 20 total tackles for the entire season. In a real life situation I'll point to Jabar Westerman who isn't a starter, doesn't rack up gaudy stats (25 tackles in 2 seasons) and all because of how he is used. Still beyond that he would be welcomed by all 8 other CFL teams should he come available. Also he'd instantly improve the value of Jake Thomas if he was acquired by the Bombers. Teams just can't play Moneyball in the CFL. They can't replace 50 tackles with different combinations that will produce more 50 tackles. There's a lot more involved in it.

15 in the last 4 years; 16 from the last 5 drafts. That's out of 25 players drafted in the past 5 years. So 15 out of 21 have played a regular season game in the CFL (4 years) 16 out of 25 have played a regular season game in the CFL (5 years)

That's true (the devil's advocate would say that Westerman in BC isn't a starter either but every CFL team would love to have him). Using Winnipeg's Week 19 for example they had drafted 4 of their 7 NI starters (Muamba, Labbe, Greaves, Watson) while Sorensen and Morley were drafted by other teams and Rory Kohlert was undrafted entering the League. The downside of only looking at starters vs back ups/special teams players is that some guys like Carl Fitzgerald will never show up as a starter as long as he gets placed into a FB/H-Back role.

To be clear I do have a big excel file that tracked how long players were with their draft clubs but it got back burner'ed as other projects came up.

No it's true that the percentages are just a piece of the pie. Eventually I'll have everything up to date regarding player production. Part of that delay is sorting out a cut off point (1 year, 2 years, 3 years or career?). Do you only take into account drafts conducted by the current staff? Ultimately there are going to be differing ideas of what draft success looks like.

Here's how it breaks down for players draft still in football (regardless of what team): Saskatchewan - 72.7% Calgary - 68.4% BC - 61.3% Winnipeg - 60.0% Hamilton - 58.8% Edmonton - 57.7% Montreal - 50.0% Toronto - 47.1% BC doesn't retain a lot but the guys they draft are all over the League. They are the only team with more players on the other 8 teams in the CFL than on their roster.

Ok here's some numbers. In the past 5 years there have been 250 players drafted in the Canadian College Draft. Of those 250 there are 148 still in football (59.2%). Keeping in mind that we are still in the extended roster time so that number will drop down a bunch in 2 months. Those 148 still in football the break down is 135 in the CFL and 13 in the NFL (or up for the NFL Draft - Bo Lokombo, Brent Urban, Jesse Joseph for example) Those 135 break down to 87 on the roster of the team that drafted them and 48 moved on to other teams. That number includes individuals that left the team that drafted them and then re-joined. Winnipeg sits pretty much right in the middle of the CFL for percentage of drafted players still with the team (32%). Still with Draft Team: Saskatchewan - 50.0% Calgary - 44.7% Montreal - 33.3% Hamilton - 32.4% Winnipeg - 32.0% Edmonton - 30.8% Toronto - 26.5% BC - 25.8%

Working on it!!! I've posted some items over on the website - http://ridleyscouting.com/CFLDraft.html I'll break down some more teams to post averages tonight.

25 selections in the past 5 years. 8 currently on the Bombers roster - 32% 2 traded to other CFL teams - 8% 3 in the NFL - 12% 2 signed with another CFL team - 8% Total still in CFL - 48% (which is high for a 5 year average) Total still in football - 60%

One thing at a time iso!

JC Boice, who is leading Canada Football Academy, will be running the QB position sessions. JC was just in Winnipeg running a QB camp for the Bisons and a second one for some HS players. Looking forward to seeing the R4 system in action.

Over the last 5 years the Blue Bombers have had an average of 5 draft picks per year. Now that is a little slanted as this is the second year of a return to 7 Rounds but that's where they've been in the past. 2014 they currently have 6 picks. Draft Yield on Average: WR - 1 DL - 1 OL - 1 LB - 1 RB - 1 Sixth pick based on percentages: DB/K - 1 In the past 5 years they have selected 1 DB and 1 K so it's a toss up. Of course this being the first year of the new front office you can likely take the old stats and toss them out the window but these are the numbers as they sit.